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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    StylinLA, you're a man after my own heart! You are on target, I think, about the "casual" Guerlain buyer, not the connoisseur.
    I'm no expert, but you hold up a bee bottle to a 30 something with enough change to pop $230 for something special it'll leave him cold. Many of us know and revere Guerlain and it's history, but they've already got us. They need to lure someone who wants the latest, the greatest, the best.

    The thing I'll be curious to see is how they roll it out. One of my pet peeves with Guerlain in Los Angeles is that you have to dig for it. The Bev Hills Saks is split into two separate physical stores- mens and womens. The men's store cologne counter carries only Guerlain Vetiver. You have to have the presence of mind to go into the ladies store to find Habit Rouge, Derby and L'Instant Pour Homme.

    I'll be looking for the tell tale signs of other BNers scanning the Guerlain coutner too.
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    urgh
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Just got a mail from PR madam chez Guerlain. She says it will appear in Paris not before October 2010.

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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by moon_fish View Post
    here are the pictures

    and

    Glass in wooden frame.
    and both perfumes are made by JP Guerlain.
    Exciting stuff.Oh, by Jean Paul and NOT Thierry .............

    Interesting bottles - they do remind me a little of ...
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Was thinking the same thing about the bottles. Nothing original. But I'm always up for another leather oriental esp if it's by J P Guerlain though Le Voyou doesn't sound that interesting from the notes alone. Maybe they got the two note lists mixed up? 'Rascal' with citrus, bergamot and Bulgarian rose?

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    I keep thinking of Odori when I see these two bottles. Nothing can be farther from the inspiration of the gentleman thief of literature from the turn of the 20th century. (I happen to enjoy Odori Tabacco.) I was envisioning something even in amber glass, like an apothecary bottle with a glass stopper. And now...this....

    I will at least try the leather/violets, however.

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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    I also do not like the wooden bottles. What a let-down! They remind me of something too contemporary, such as the Odori line.
    +2

    Still great news, though.
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    I am admiring my bee bottles and trying to deal with the heartbreak of those wooden bottles. In the end, though, it's the scent one wears and not the bottle.
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    I am admiring my bee bottles and trying to deal with the heartbreak of those wooden bottles. In the end, though, it's the scent one wears and not the bottle.
    Actually, for some, it's the entire package that counts...

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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor View Post
    Actually, for some, it's the entire package that counts...
    True! If Shalimar Parfum came in minimalistic Chanel-like bottles, it just wouldn't feel the same.

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    Would anyone take me to task if I decanted some of my Guerlain into an empty antique Baccarat bottle of Milord by D'Orsay? At least it "would" have a dandy on the bottle.

    http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...ottle-77721858

    Something about the essence of fragrance for me includes a fine glass flacon and a stopper...call me a purist.
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    I hope that Guerlain would not mentioned 'invitation to layering' of both perfumes in the PR?
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by supperman View Post
    Considering the price, I think they are probably going to be Guerlain exclusives, ie. it's not going to be easy to find samples.
    Less even possible to find them in peripherical markets... BNoters based in Alpha cities, you've got a heck of a potential business there!

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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    Mr. G, I also do not like the wooden bottles. What a let-down! They remind me of something too contemporary, such as the Odori line...
    Primrose, get it off your mind: the ones cherishing things from the past - as we are - are a minority. I have a brother working at a very traditional cosmetic company with a 150 year long history, they won't even consider reviving anything, not even the relaunch of traditional brands remembered and cherished by everybody.

    BTW, this reflects the continous discussion on traditonalism and modernism

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ictecture.html

    And here is the outcome...

    http://www.architecture.com/TheRIBA/...re/speech.aspx

    See, it is not that easy.
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    I actually love the bottles! Then again, I'm not exactly one for history, Guerlain can always maintain the aesthetic of their older releases, but they don't need to remain in that same rut forever. Jeez, they're new fragrances, allow them to try to reach a new demographic with it. I, for one, think they are very stylish in a contemporary way, and look a heck of a lot better than both the Odoris or He Wood bottles.
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    I couldn't care less about classic aesthetics. I'm more concerned with originality and good taste, and the new bottles are uninspired, unoriginal and rather ugly.

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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor View Post
    I couldn't care less about classic aesthetics. I'm more concerned with originality and good taste, and the new bottles are uninspired, unoriginal and rather ugly.
    And you have every right to feel that way. I'm not the best judge when it comes to visual aesthetics, and my tastes don't really have much rhyme or reason to them. I like contemporary, and I like this. It seems clean and streamlined.
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by Pollux View Post
    Primrose, get it off your mind: the ones cherishing things from the past - as we are - are a minority. I have a brother working at a very traditional cosmetic company with a 150 year long history, they won't even consider reviving anything, not even the relaunch of traditional brands remembered and cherished by everybody.

    BTW, this reflects the continous discussion on traditonalism and modernism

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ictecture.html

    And here is the outcome...

    http://www.architecture.com/TheRIBA/...re/speech.aspx

    See, it is not that easy.
    Pollux, thank you for the New Yorker link, esp. for the cartoon of the dandy Eustace Tilley on the masthead! Eustace, of course, was a fictional character based on...the Comte d'Orsay! LOL!

    I think Prince Charles has a special mission on preserving heritage and the past, he himself a part of a monarchy that goes back centuries. I think countries unlike the U.S. (or those founded on colonialism) see the world differently that those with a very long past. Cultures like Japan are an odd blend of centuries-old tradition and modernism.

    I think "The Shock of the New," the infatuation with novelty, wears off. People look for the ever-new. BTW, historian James Laver came up with a chronology of the way we perceive art in culture. We can look at a beautiful Belle Epoque ball gown in 2010 and say how beautiful it is, but I am sure it was an ugly out-of-fashion object in the 1920s. I guess it's all a part of marketing: new, new, ultra-new, then traditional. It's a cycle. What is old is new again.

    In the 19th century the Eiffel Tower was considered ugly. I think Guy de Maupassant said he had meals sitting *under* it because he did not have to look at it. Now it's considered a beautiful iconic image of the city of Paris.
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Hope that they aren`t really similar to Coriolan, since the line in which they`ll be launched already comprises two masculine fragrances similar to Coriolan (Chamade Pour Homme and L'Ame d'un Héros).
    I thought that I would buy these two this year, but for that price they`ll have to wait since I want more Tonka Imperiale. My leather purchase, I think, will probably be from Van Cleef.

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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by rickbr View Post
    Hope that they aren`t really similar to Coriolan, since the line in which they`ll be launched already comprises two masculine fragrances similar to Coriolan (Chamade Pour Homme and L'Ame d'un Héros).
    I thought that I would buy these two this year, but for that price they`ll have to wait since I want more Tonka Imperiale. My leather purchase, I think, will probably be from Van Cleef.
    Rick, I think, as StylinLA observed, that these will be marketed differently from the Exclusives in the bee bottles. I think Guerlain is looking to be "edgy" with the wooden bottles and striking out in a different direction.

    For leather, you may wish to give Guerlain's Derby a try.
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    I guess the bottles can be considered a masculine approach with the use of wood, however I too find them a little insipid.

    Still, the scents themselves have put a big blip on my radar! Thanks for the heads up Primrose.

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    I've just read on "The Scented Salamander" that the 2 fragrances "are part of the Les Parisiens collection" and that their price is "165€ for 100 ml".

    http://www.mimifroufrou.com/scenteds..._dandy_ar.html

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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    Rick, I think, as StylinLA observed, that these will be marketed differently from the Exclusives in the bee bottles. I think Guerlain is looking to be "edgy" with the wooden bottles and striking out in a different direction.

    For leather, you may wish to give Guerlain's Derby a try.
    Primrose, I understood that they will be part of the line, but they will have different bottles. The problem to me is the price; for that price I want tonka imperiale. I have vintage Derby and I still need to buy the new one someday. I thought that this two launches from Guerlain would be mass market ones, that`s why I said that I`ll buy the new from Van Cleef, Midnight In Paris, instead of these two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickbr View Post
    Primrose, I understood that they will be part of the line, but they will have different bottles. The problem to me is the price; for that price I want tonka imperiale. I have vintage Derby and I still need to buy the new one someday. I thought that this two launches from Guerlain would be mass market ones, that`s why I said that I`ll buy the new from Van Cleef, Midnight In Paris, instead of these two.
    Rick, I can see one must make choices at these prices! (sigh) The new version of Derby is indeed very elegant.

    Alberto, mille grazie for the nice article post. Thank you!

    I guess this makes me one of the aforementioned "gentlemen's club." LOL!

    I can see why the Lout "rogue" motif can appeal to the "scamp" in all of us, while Dandy appeals to the more chivalrous older man of fashion. Dandies "do" mature with age. Someone in the late 1830s gave up a life of gambling, pleasure-seeking, womanising and trips to the tailors, (or at least curtailed it) and switched from bright colours to dark, sober suits. He ended up restoring murals on church walls and working as a government bureaucrat! LOL! That's what happens when you are short of cash.
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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    This is an update: I understand from Guerlain that the launch will be in late August or early September.
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    I want both
    I need both
    I should be allowed to have both
    ... and the new VC&A as well.

    Seriously, I'm holding my breath on these... I have great expectations, which is always a bad attitude to adopt

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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    The latest update: Guerlain have said samples should be out soon, but the bottle release is set for October.

    I think I will wear Jolie Madame today for its violet leather.

    The violet is that quintessentially Victorian flower, and the smell of leather recalls horse tack. This does seem dandified!
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    Here is a first review of Arsène Lupin taken from a blog... it has been put through a google translator, so please try and see past the grammatical inconsistencies and gobblygook etc. Still, it makes for some very interesting reading.

    Arsene Lupin has the distinction of disguise, is
    makeup, dressing up or become even, as
    character he plays. It is therefore quite difficult to make
    an accurate description. However, the natural question,
    seems to be to a rather slender, good-looking and
    of unusual strength, related to his training. "

    This phrase, found on the web to describe the physics
    figure also applies to perfumes that take up the
    name. The two new Guerlain Men announced for very
    soon plundered in the directory olfactory past Guerlain
    to make up, make up and become the taste of the day
    in two directions: the dandy and the thug.

    For the first, the Dandy is on the side of chypre and
    Mitsouko that the thief is gone for his treasure. The frame
    This agreement is Dandy bergamot and patchouli-fishing-foam
    tree (because it can not use the oak moss). Perfume
    presents itself as a distinguished perfume, haughty, elegant,
    that enhances the smoky notes of leather and wood as
    vetiver probably as the general appearance is worthy of
    Fine fragrances around vetiver. Unlike Mitsouko, it
    is not flowery, and I think this Dandy share a little with the
    same intent as what was done last year with
    Mitsouko Lotus Flower, namely reinterpret the myth in a
    more contemporary context. The feminine side a bit that generates
    this relationship could interfere with Mitsouko few of
    you, but it is a tradition among male Guerlain
    verge on the other side without going there really. I think Arsene
    Lupin Dandy highbrow worthy of the brand, if
    there was the price. The only regret is that it does not innovate
    more.

    The second, Arsene Lupin Thug hides under his air perfume
    Luxury her love for the remix. Is it to confuse the
    tracks or to be in the wind? Probably, but I can not
    help but read into it will do more
    openly accessible by tapping on the territory of Boss
    Signature vanilla and cedar, which would have transferred
    with the signature leathery amber fragrance which celebrated the 180
    anniversary of the brand Guerlain 180 Years. This foot Guerlain too
    obviously not my cup of tea, but she deserves to be me
    may be less elitist than the Dandy. You can judge by yourself
    same.

    Even if I find the Dandy Interestingly, there is no shot
    heart for me, because I think these heroes disguised missing
    may be what made Guerlain what they were before:
    the soul of heroes perfumes that take risks, the soul of
    real perfumes. The choice of hero is it by chance
    reflection of the mood of shareholders because, given the price, the
    treasure plunder these gentlemen burglars want is to
    no doubt that your wallet? I find it
    unfortunate to arrive at this point to find a
    identity, but that's another debate.

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    Default Re: Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

    The reviewer seems somewhat nonplussed , they certainly sound interesting and definatly worth a try

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    I hope they're disappointing. At least I'll save some money...

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