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    I think of Tom Ford Private Blend scents as being luxe, not niche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oupavoc View Post
    I do agree with you, all designer brand exclusive line I consider niche. Dior, Chanel, Tom Ford, Guerlain, Hermes to name a few.
    Thats what i would think too
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    Default Re: If Tom Ford Private Blend is considered niche, then...

    can all of the "what is niche?" threads please me combined into one just like the pure malt threads were.............
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    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    I think of Tom Ford Private Blend scents as being luxe, not niche.
    Luxe is a good term

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    Default Re: If Tom Ford Private Blend is considered niche, then...

    Wow, I never thought we Basenoters disagreed this much about Tom Ford's Prive Line!

    I always considered Tom Ford's Private Blends to be niche, but maybe I should reconsider?
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    They cost $195 for a 50 ml and are made with high quality ingredients. I say Niche!
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    I've always considered, and will continue to consider, Tom Ford Private Blend fragrances as niche. I used to think that all Tom Ford fragrances are niche, but now I'm hearing they're not.

    Is Tom Ford Extreme and Grey Vetiver niche?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliDude View Post
    I've always considered, and will continue to consider, Tom Ford Private Blend fragrances as niche. I used to think that all Tom Ford fragrances are niche, but now I'm hearing they're not.

    Is Tom Ford Extreme and Grey Vetiver niche?
    Tom Ford's first standalone fragrances were his Private Blend collection. Then he introduced Tom Ford for Men as part of his designer fragrance collection. TF Extreme and Grey Vetiver also fall into that category. While I consider Tom Ford for Men and Grey Vetiver to be better quality scents than most other designer frags, they are definitely not niche.
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    Default Re: If Tom Ford Private Blend is considered niche, then...

    if Tom Ford, Chanel and Dior are designers, then by definition, they are designer. Are we are now saying price point, ergo exclusivity, defines the boundary? If so, when their scents reach a certain point, say $50, are they now just called has-been fragrances? Such a quandry (self-imposed it seems) nice, pseudo-niche (private blends sold to the public), luxe, mainstream, designer, has-been ... oh my! so much to remember ...

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    Designer simply means that a house that does not make cologne commissions someone to do that for them. There are many high quality designer offerings: Hermes, Chanel, Tiffany, Boucheron, etc. There are also many designer offering that I wish could be removed from the Earth.

    Niche, to my understanding, simply means not widely distributed or available. As above, great niche offerings and really lousy ones as well.

    I have been in this hobby long enough to find the designer versus niche versus classic distinctions to be of very little value. Sample extensively and wear what you enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerJuice View Post
    I have been in this hobby long enough to find the designer versus niche versus classic distinctions to be of very little value. Sample extensively and wear what you enjoy.

    TJ
    +1 ... Good point. I'm starting to think it's all very subjective. My own definition is that:
    niche = high quality, classy, more natural smelling, and not mainstream
    designer = lower quality, more synthetic, and more corporate/mainstream

    The more I try to think about other people's definition of niche vs designer, the more frustrating it'd be trying to determine which fragrance belongs to which category. Thus, I'll just stick to my own definition. Ignorance is bliss.

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    Most niche fragrance lines are placed into the same bottle with a different label: Tom Ford Private Blend, Creed, Bond No 9, Serge Lutens, Le Labo, Armani Prive Collection, Amouage, Joe Malone, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    I think of Tom Ford Private Blend scents as being luxe, not niche.
    That is probably how Tom Ford himself views his brand, so I'd agree with that. With regard to the limited and expensive collections from designer houses, I view them as being niche though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    I think of Tom Ford Private Blend scents as being luxe, not niche.
    +1. Not sure how Tom Ford feels, but Chanel, Dior and Hermes don't claim to make "niche" fragrances, so let's take them at their word.

    These new lines are being launched to grab a share of the niche market. Designers mimic the higher price points with appeals to luxury and exclusivity. But is it mostly smoke and mirrors if these scents are being created by the same people within the same corporate structure?
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    Default Re: If Tom Ford Private Blend is considered niche, then...

    By your argument that would make CREED designer since they still do make clothing. . . . .

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    Default Re: If Tom Ford Private Blend is considered niche, then...

    Does it matter? At all?

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    Default Re: If Tom Ford Private Blend is considered niche, then...

    It's all just semantics-define niche however you want

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    An N-word thread?

    Oh noes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by indianwells View Post
    Does it matter? At all?
    It seems very important to some folks and of no consequence to others. Like those old arguments about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Chambers View Post
    Why would Tom Ford Private Blend be considered niche? If Lady Gaga put out a limited edition product, that wouldn't make her an indie artist. It just means some products are marketed differently.
    Good reply, Brian. I consider them designer, but in the higher range and therefore marketed differently and with more exclusivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabel View Post
    By your argument that would make CREED designer since they still do make clothing. . . . .
    Does Creed still have a bespoke clothing line?
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    Quote Originally Posted by indianwells View Post
    Does it matter? At all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by indianwells View Post
    Does it matter? At all?
    Right. "Luxe," "Niche," "Designer," are just arbitrary classifications and irrelevant, IMO. The only thing that is important to me is how a given scent smells and does it appeal to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    Does Creed still have a bespoke clothing line?
    Whatever they might make on the side is certainly not going down the runway at Fashion Week.

    Tom Ford on the other hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drseid View Post
    Right. "Luxe," "Niche," "Designer," are just arbitrary classifications and irrelevant, IMO. The only thing that is important to me is how a given scent smells and does it appeal to me.
    I think it is important if you're talking about the business side of things. Like "how do I market a niche fragrance?" is a perfectly legitimate question. The implication is that you do not have the backing of a major fashion house behind you.

    In judging whether something is good or bad, it doesn't matter. Crap is flung at us from both sides that should never be worn.

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    The business side of the house also affects us consumers. I'm never going to find Mona di Orio's Oud marked down to $20 at Marshalls. I can however find Tom Ford Private Blend. The smaller batches that niche companies typically produce often translate to higher prices and availability hurdles. They are not things by which we judge the juice, but they do enter into the conversation about how and whether we might acquite them. So I don't think it's an irrelevant distinction.

    It is however pretty useless to draw an arbitrary line around a price point and say, "anything beyond this is niche." That makes the distinction worthless.

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    I think we are really complicated.

    A fragrance is just a fragrance. We have designer brands and "niche" brands, whatever you call it.

    We enjoy them. Don´t think in a complicated way. Enjoy is everything you can get from a fragrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Chambers View Post
    I think it is important if you're talking about the business side of things. Like "how do I market a niche fragrance?" is a perfectly legitimate question. The implication is that you do not have the backing of a major fashion house behind you.

    In judging whether something is good or bad, it doesn't matter. Crap is flung at us from both sides that should never be worn.
    Fair enough, but I guess as a consumer I am not interested in the business side of things in this case, only the result.
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    4)
    Anat Fritz Original Formula and Classical (Anat Fritz) - tie
    4) Lalfeorosa (O'driù) - tie

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    Les Nombres d'Or Vetyver (Mona di Orio)
    7) Captain vintage (Molyneux)
    8) Tzora (Anat Fritz)
    9) Javanese Patchouli (Zegna) - tie
    9) Monsieur de Givenchy vintage (Givenchy) - tie
    9) Coeur de Vetiver Sacré (L'Artisan) - tie
    9) X for Men (Clive Christian) - tie
    9) Patou pour Homme Privé (Jean Patou) - tie
    9) Oud Shamash (The Different Company) - tie

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    Default Re: If Tom Ford Private Blend is considered niche, then...

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Chambers View Post
    I think it is important if you're talking about the business side of things. Like "how do I market a niche fragrance?" is a perfectly legitimate question. The implication is that you do not have the backing of a major fashion house behind you.

    In judging whether something is good or bad, it doesn't matter. Crap is flung at us from both sides that should never be worn.
    Agree completely. Let the producers worry about how they market their frags...niche, designer, mainstream, luxurious, commonplace, whatever. Everyone can make their own definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drseid View Post
    Fair enough, but I guess as a consumer I am not interested in the business side of things in this case, only the result.
    I will stop being interested in the business side the minute fragrances can be conjured on command to appear in my hands

    In the meantime, I have to worry about where to smell them, how to buy them, how much they cost...all the regrettable stuff.

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