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    Default The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    I am curious to know which niche house you'd elect for each of the following criteria:

    Feel free to add categories!



    1. Most Innovative

    2. Most Elegant

    3. Most Natural-Smelling

    4. Most Under-Appreciated

    5. Best-Kept Secret

    6. Most Over-lauded

    7. Most Reasonably-Priced

    8. Most Pompous

    9. Most Chic

    10. Most Consistent

    11. Least Consistent

    12. Most Overpriced

    13. Most Outre

    14. Most Staid

    15. Most Predictable

    16. Most Banal

    17. Most Derivative

    18. Most Watered-Down

    19. Most of an 'Acquired-Taste'?

    20. Best Packaging

    21. Worst Packaging

    22. Least Natural-Smelling

    23. Trendiest

    24. Most Promising

    25. Most Designer-like

    26. Most Refined

    27. Most Mellow

    28. Most Amateurish

    29. Most Tawdry

    30. Most Bohemian
    Last edited by Hillaire; 12th July 2010 at 04:40 AM.

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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    Fun thread (as long as things remain civil...)

    Request for clarification: are these awards for all-time or for the past year?
    Last edited by PaulSC; 12th July 2010 at 03:49 AM.
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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    All time!

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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    All right, then!

    1. Most Innovative Parfumerie Generale

    2. Most Elegant Parfums DelRae

    3. Most Natural-Smelling DSH

    4. Most Under-Appreciated Ormonde Jayne

    5. Best-Kept Secret One I'm not in on...

    6. Most Over-lauded I'm diplomatically avoiding this one...

    7. Most Reasonably-Priced Nicolaï, Dyptique, ELdO

    8. Most Pompous Boadicea the Victorious for the name alone

    9. Most Chic Different Company

    10. Most Consistent Serge Lutens, not 100% but still impressive

    11. Least Consistent Le Labo

    12. Most Overpriced Clive Christian (want to say JAR, but I've never tried experienced them)

    13. Most Outre ELdO

    14. Most Staid Creed

    15. Most Predictable Montale

    16. Most Banal ??? I've forgotten already!

    17. Most Derivative Bond No. 9

    18. Most Watered-Down Jo Malone

    19. Most of an 'Acquired-Taste'? Montale Ouds

    20. Best Packaging By Kilian or L'essence de Mastenbroek

    21. Worst Packaging Parfums de Nicolaï are the most drab, but at least they don't pump up the cost; maybe Parfums MDCI

    22. Least Natural-Smelling CDG

    23. Trendiest not my area of expertise...

    24. Most Promising Byredo

    25. Most Designer-like Bond No. 9
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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    I like your choices, Paul! We agree on a few!

    I'll go.


    1. Most Innovative - Parfumerie Generale

    2. Most Elegant - Delrae/ Histoire de Parfums

    3. Most Natural-Smelling - TDC

    4. Most Under-Appreciated - E. Coudray

    5. Best-Kept Secret - Nobile 1942

    6. Most Over-lauded - Dyptique, Ormonde Jayne, Creed

    7. Most Reasonably-Priced - PdN

    8. Most Pompous - Xerjoff/ Roja Dove

    9. Most Chic - Czech and Speake

    10. Most Consistent - Amouage

    11. Least Consistent - Penhaligon's

    12. Most Overpriced - Roja Dove/ Grossmith

    13. Most Outre - Eldo

    14. Most Staid - Floris

    15. Most Predictable - Goutal

    16. Most Banal - Comptoir Sud Pacifique

    17. Most Derivative - Tom Ford PB

    18. Most Watered-Down - Diptyque

    19. Most of an 'Acquired-Taste'? - Mona di Orio/ELDO

    20. Best Packaging - Amouage/ Goutal

    21. Worst Packaging - MDCI/ Bodicea/ Xerjoff/ Bond

    22. Least Natural-Smelling - PG

    23. Trendiest - Nasomatto

    24. Most Promising - Biehlparfumkunstwerke

    25. Most Designer-like - JHAG

    26. Most Refined - Amouage

    27. Most Mellow - Byredo

    28. Most Amateurish - Tauer/ Michael Storer

    29. Most Tawdry - Aroma M

    30. Most Bohemian - Sage Machado

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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    There's some blurring, at least in my mind, where the niche cut-off is, but here goes …

    1. Most Innovative FREDERIC MALLE

    2. Most Elegant FRAPIN

    3. Most Natural-Smelling BORSARI

    4. Most Under-Appreciated HOVÉ

    5. Best-Kept Secret I COLONIALI

    6. Most Over-lauded DAWN SPENCER HURWITZ

    7. Most Reasonably-Priced BORSARI

    8. Most Pompous MDCI

    9. Most Chic HENRY DUNAY

    10. Most Consistent L'ARTISAN

    11. Least Consistent MONTALE

    12. Most Overpriced SOLANGE

    13. Most Outre DIPTYQUE

    14. Most Staid L'ARTISAN

    15. Most Predictable STELLA McCARTNEY

    16. Most Banal

    17. Most Derivative (I know the expected answer is Bond)

    18. Most Watered-Down (weak, but not lacking quality) AYALA MORIEL

    19. Most of an 'Acquired-Taste'?

    20. Best Packaging SERGE LUTENS

    21. Worst Packaging COMME DES GARCONS

    22. Least Natural-Smelling ESCENTRIC MOLECULES

    23. Trendiest BOND NO. 9

    24. Most Promising JO MALONE

    25. Most Designer-like

    26. Most Refined

    27. Most Mellow

    28. Most Amateurish LES NEZ

    29. Most Tawdry BOURBON FRENCH

    30. Most Bohemian ABDES SALAAM ATTAR PROFUMO

    That was really challenging and time-consuming. A good exercise, to be sure! The ones I couldn't answer really begged for non-niche responses.
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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    1. Most Innovative - ELDO

    2. Most Elegant - Caron

    3. Most Natural-Smelling - Yosh

    4. Most Under-Appreciated - Abdul Samad Al Qurashi for the real oils

    5. Best-Kept Secret - Honoré de Prés

    6. Most Over-lauded - Current Guerlains

    7. Most Reasonably-Priced - ELDO

    8. Most Pompous - Xerjoff/Amouage/Clive Christian

    9. Most Chic - CDG

    10. Most Consistent - Bond No 9 (you might not like them , but they have what they do down to a science...)

    11. Least Consistent - new Guerlains

    12. Most Overpriced - Xerjoff/MDCI/anyone where you're paying a premium for the bottle

    13. Most Outre - Malle

    14. Most Staid - Houbigant

    15. Most Predictable - Rosine

    16. Most Banal - Ulrich Lang

    17. Most Derivative - Bond, of course

    18. Most Watered-Down - Hermes under Ellena

    19. Most of an 'Acquired-Taste'? - Malle

    20. Best Packaging - L'Artisan

    21. Worst Packaging - Nicolai/Goutal

    22. Least Natural-Smelling - CDG, intentionally

    23. Trendiest - Tom Ford

    24. Most Promising - Kurkdjian

    25. Most Designer-like - Cereus

    26. Most Refined - old Creeds/old Guerlains

    27. Most Mellow - Yosh

    28. Most Amateurish - Nasomatto (that's a compliment)

    29. Most Tawdry - Tom Ford

    30. Most Bohemian - Aftelier
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    I am SOOOOO not qualified to reply to this thread, but still have a few comments:

    As to the most pompous, I have to say I feel Xerjoff isn't, as they seem to be earnest, but they might go for most overpriced... I certainly cannot afford their perfumes although I would LOVE to acquire a few of them. The fact that they offer the ultra-luxe ones in "refill" bottles for less somewhat ameliorates the overprix/pomposity in my mind. (and that I have a bottle of one of their midprice efforts from a giveaway is a disclaimer here.)

    I agree that Montales may be an acquired taste, but I fell in love with what seems to be by consensus the best of the Montales, Black Aoud... so if the rest of the line smelled as good... Zowee!

    Storer as one of the most amateur? I don't know. It's possible, but I still have a whole set of his samples to go through but really like Monk. (maybe I am just lucky to pick the best?) I have the impression that Tauer is a good marketing effort, but can't comment as I have not smelled his scents, so his efforts may qualify.

    I can agree with the current formulation Guerlains being most overlauded... their longevity is poor and they don't hold a candle to their previous formulations in most cases.

    Other than that... this thread is quite interesting! Will be following it.
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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?


    Thanks for your opinions, Actias; it's a pleasure. Please come back; share more, and make up any categories you want!

    And to all, as it occurs to me I might address certain issues, to make this thread fun for everyone.

    As for issues of dissonance...or God forbid indignation or wounded feelings ... I heartily implore that we 'agree to disagree' unanimously... and look at this thread as 'light entertainment'.

    Moreover, so many castigations and/or endorsements are not only totally subjective in perfume-appreciation discourse but also relative to the 'beholder', in terms of 'intensity', seriousness, and meaning .
    For example: I don't think of the notion of 'pomposity' as being either oppositional to integrity or quality! To me, it's about grandiosity and exclusive, opulent image-pushing.
    I expect interpretations of concepts like 'amateurish' are doubly-loaded: I see that Rolagal has already qualified his candidate with a 'that's a compliment' remark.
    And therein lies some food for thought as well.

    Also. I hope n oone will be sheepish about voicing opinions on this thread, due to either concern over sounding too asperse or fear of backlash. I thought it would be fun to have the opportunity a bit more scathing. I was actually inspired by the number of men's-forum threads I read, in which the guys really rake houses and scents over the coals. It always amuses me so much!

    I expect to disagree with lots I'll see -- In fact, I already DO! .

    I personally feel I have lots to gain from contemplating others' totally-oppositional-to-mine impressions. Since perfume-enjoyment is so personal and associative, and because evaluative categories like those I created are so 'specific', I get to (hope to) observe the diverse sorts-of thinking others do about houses we commonly experience.
    For example: Quarry's vote for "Jo Malone" (a house, whose offerings I don't ususally care for) as 'most promising' caused me to rethink their offerings' appeal.

    I am also particularly interested in the notion of "houses" as entities in their own right just now. And aware of how much I think about certain houses in very condemning or glowing terms.

    Moreover, anyone is 'qualified' as it's a simple opinion poll. (Lord knows, being a vintage-enthusiast, niche isn't even an arena I have dabbled in for very long, let alone with much fervor.) It's absolutely not an expertise-challenge. So, please everyone join in... with as many or as few catergories as you have thoughts on.
    I for one, just love to see how others evaluate and 'judge' houses.


    Thanks so much Paul, Quarry and Rolagal, btw. I lovesd reading your answers.

    Cheers
    Last edited by Hillaire; 13th July 2010 at 05:37 AM.

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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    This is a marvelous thread, Hillaire, because it made me think so hard and reexamine the first thoughts that popped to mind: Why do I view a house that way? Is it just one or two frags that gave me that impression? What really is niche?

    I made a point of attacking the questions before reading your and PaulSC's answers. Then when I read them, I had "Oh, yeah, that's a good answer—wish I'd thought of that" moments.

    Adding qualifier comments does help, which is why I added a parenthetical phrase about Ayala Moriel.

    Then there's the perspective on what's niche. I think some of rogalal's answers sidestepped that issue, since Hermes and Guerlain don't strike me as niche, and I thought Tom Ford belonged under the designer banner.

    It's interesting to discuss why we get the impressions we do. For instance, although I own only one Jo Malone, I respect that the company keeps producing diverse products, which tend to be well formulated and not get discontinued. Diversity and consistency is why I think JM's promising, but other houses might be more promising for breaking new barriers. Then I start to wonder, when does JM no longer deserve niche status?

    Little brain tuckered out now.
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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    Fun! I'll need some thinking before I return to fill up those blanks I left...

    1. Most Innovative: Parfumerie Generale, followed closely by Etat Libre d'Orange.

    2. Most Elegant: Penhaligon's, followed closely by Maitre Parfumeur et Gantier.

    3. Most Natural-Smelling: The Different Company, followed closely by Ormonde Jayne.

    4. Most Under-Appreciated:

    5. Best-Kept Secret:

    6. Most Over-lauded: I feel a little vulnerable answering this =D

    7. Most Reasonably-Priced: Etat Libre d'Orange (more so before their recent price increment), followed closely by Parfum d'Empire

    8. Most Pompous:

    9. Most Chic: CB I Hate Perfume, followed closely by Six Scents

    10. Most Consistent: Serge Lutens

    11. Least Consistent: Montale's Non-Aouds.

    12. Most Overpriced: Guerlain exclusifs

    13. Most Outre: Comme des Garcons, followed closely by Etat Libre d'Orange

    14. Most Staid: I agree with Creed.

    15. Most Predictable: Montale (Definitely, especially the Aoud scents variations - which I actually really enjoy and get much satisfaction from anyway. I can't say the same of a good bulk of the non-Aoud creations )

    16. Most Banal:

    17. Most Derivative:

    18. Most Watered-Down: Hermessence

    19. Most of an 'Acquired-Taste'?: Parfumerie Generale, followed closely by Etat Libre d'Orange
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    20. Best Packaging: Serge Lutens, but if it was just based on a single bottle - Lubin Idole

    21. Worst Packaging: S-Perfume, Parfums de Nicolai, Farmacia SS. Annunziata dal 1561

    22. Least Natural-Smelling: Comme des Garcon

    23. Trendiest: Le Labo

    24. Most Promising: By Kilian

    25. Most Designer-like: Creed (They smell great, don't get me wrong)

    26. Most Refined: Amouage

    27. Most Mellow: (but highly enjoyable) L'Artisan Parfumeur

    28. Most Amateurish:

    29. Most Tawdry (looking): Micallef = G A U D Y - looking (but great-smelling)

    30. Most Bohemian:
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    Like Quarry, I too had some "wish I thought of that" moments when I read the other lists. (And thanks to her mentioning Hové, I'm going to check out some samples...)

    Anyway, interesting thread, and I'm glad a spirit of fun has prevailed rather than anyone taking offense.
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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    A lot of companies pay good money for this -- in advertising/marketing it's called a control group. (Just regular folk offering biased opinions... :-)
    Anyway -- I’m inexperienced in at least half the niche brands, so please take that into account...

    2. Most Elegant Frederic Malle
    3. Most Natural-Smelling Antonia’s Flowers, Highland Lilac
    4. Most Under-Appreciated -
    5. Best-Kept Secret Barbara Bui (except on basenotes, of course!)
    6. Most Over-lauded -
    7. Most Reasonably-Priced Parfums de Nicolaï
    8. Most Pompous Xerjoff
    9. Most Chic Frederic Malle
    10. Most Consistent - Ormonde Jayne
    11. Least Consistent -
    12. Most Overpriced Xerjoff
    13. Most Outre Etat Libre d'Orange
    14. Most Staid Penhaligons
    15. Most Predictable Serge Lutens
    16. Most Banal - Creative Universe beth terry, Creative Scentualization
    17. Most Derivative BOND!!
    18. Most Watered-Down Keiko Mecheri, Andre Putnam
    19. Most of an 'Acquired-Taste' - Andy Tauer
    20. Best Packaging L'Artisan Parfumeur, Ineke
    21. Worst Packaging Hilde Soliani
    22. Least Natural-Smelling Fresh
    23. Trendiest Escentric Molecules
    24. Most Promising DelRae, Juliette Has a Gun
    25. Most Designer -
    26. Most Refined -By Kilian, The Party
    27. Most Mellow
    28. Most Amateurish (see below!)
    29. Most Tawdry Maître Parfumeur et Gantier (that giant rhinestone on the cap...)
    30. Most Bohemian

    Here are a few catagories of my own:
    Most hip: i hate perfume
    Gets most publicity in my city: Malle
    Worst website: DSH, Michael Storer
    Collections most in need of editing: DSH and Neil Morris
    Most confusing identity: artscent.com. Don’t know them? You know, Parfums des Beaux Arts. But everyone calls them DSH.
    Best website: Ineke
    Best sample program: Ineke
    Best edited collection: Ineke, Malle, Delrae
    Worst web product photography Le Labo
    Friendliest: Andy Tauer and Neil Morris
    Most litigious: Bond No 9
    Company that’s fun to hate: Bond No 9

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Rose View Post
    Worst website: DSH
    LOL. So true!
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    Default Re: The Niche Awards... What are your votes for each category?

    Fun!More ctegories Thanks, C. Rose.

    Most hip: i hate perfume
    Gets most publicity in my city (Austin): L'Artisan/ Bond/Jo Malone
    Worst website: Xerjoff, Michael Storer
    Collections most in need of editing: Montale, Keiko Mecheri
    Most confusing identity: Penhaligon's/ Malle (Don't shoot!)/Sonoma Scent Studio (Exactly what is the 'vibe'?)
    Best website: Biehl/ Parfums Delrae
    Best sample program: Ormonde Jayne/MDCI/Aftelier
    Best edited collection: Acqua di Biella/ By Kilian
    Worst web product photography: MDCI (Have you seen this site?)/Xerjoff
    Friendliest: Sonoma Scent Studio
    Most litigious: ?
    Company that’s fun to hate: Creed

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