Thread: Perfumers education
Is there any perfumers education/school in the world?
I´ve found this site: http://www.perfumersworld.com/
Are they good?
Thanks in advance
I don't know anything about Perfumer's World, so I can't help you there.
Which part of the world are you looking in?
Unfortunately, perfume courses tend to be hard to find, because most of the larger firms do their own training in-house and keep the process quite secretive.
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It doesnt matter which part in the world.
I live in Sweden.
I found this:
There might be something relevant here
Tom Ford Splits!!!!
Tobacco Vanille, Tuscan Leather, Oud Wood, Noir de Noir, Costa Azzura,
Neroli Portofino, Plum Japonais, Lavender Palm and AMBER ABSOLUTE, etc...
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you can take hints from this page on olfactory education: http://www.profumo.it/blog/index.php...tory-education
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I already attend a seminar about perfume making, if there's a seminar in your country don't hesitate to attend.
Alec Lawless teaches a 5 day Artisan Perfumery course in the UK, but is also willing to travel. In fact he is about to go to Australia and New Zealand to teach 2 courses! So if you wanted to get a group together, he could come to Sweden to teach. (There would be an additional charge for expenses such as travel and venue hire, but between 5-10 students this can be quite reasonable)
To find out more about the course, have a look at the Essentially Me website or contact us for more details. http://www.essentially-me.co.uk/cour..._perfumery.php
Hope this helps!
Thanks for all the answers.
If there is anyone from Sweden intrested in taking courses in perfumery abroad or already did so please feel free to send me a PM.
So far I think I found three schools:
givaudan perfumery school: http://www.givaudan.com/Fragrances/Perfumery+School
what are the requirements here?
one is the ISIPCA - but it requires chemistry degree? homepage?
The perfumers world - only distance course? www.perfumersworld.com
I dont have a degree in chemistry.
Im more intrested in the creative part.
I was just recently looking into the Grasse Institute of Perfumery 5 day summer courses, I hope I'll be able to attend next summer:
Okey, to summarize this is what ive got so far
Grasse Institute of Perfumery
Givaudan - Perfumery School
ISIPCA (only accept students with bacehlor degree in chemistry etc)
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I´ve emailed questions to GIP and Givaudan about a week ago, no response.
Not very impressive.
Update, I´ve got an answer from GIP:
"We don(t require chemistry degree for the course.
All the course is in English".
It costs 11 500 euros
Still, No answers from Givaudan and Perfumers World.
it sounds good. but... do you know the reputation of GIP? i would like to study as well, but i need advice. there many schools that get you a lot money but i need to know the reputation of these schools before decide
This is similar to Givaudan's school although it is two years instead of three. They are quite selective choosing only a couple applicants each year.
The main thing is to look at are the instructors. If they are respected perfumers and you are a good student you will be on your way. I believe GIP takes twelve students each year - so it would be difficult to find places for all of them upon graduation (1 year program with a three month break in the middle of the year - so 9 months of study/practice). I do understand your concern but in this business connections are of the greatest benefit - connections with hard won skill is better.
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“If we tried today to recreate a real, original Guerlain, I think it would be impossible.”
Atleast they answered me some time ago.
They are looking for people who speak English mandatory, and French would be good too.
Cosmetology, Arts, chemistry graduates. No fee for the school because on the time of training (3 years) you are employed by them.
Recruiting phases are around April/May. Enterance September/October.
Recruitment is based on CV.
It is and was a big dream of mine to be their student of perfumery but dang - i guess I'll have to study my own boring studies and play with perfume on the side and go commercial maybe some day. Damn i hate myself for being so indecisive.
Can you tell me eligibility criteria for guivadan and all other details.any other good institute which offers course in perfumery.... And I am planning to do it after high school....
In the past year, I've done the same research, with about the same results as to schools/formal education in perfumery. Unless you are accepted by the big houses, you will not find rigorous training in perfumery.
The Perfumery World classes, I am unsure of, however, they are held in Thailand, and entail just a few weeks, so I think some private study beforehand would be best to get the most out of them.
The Natural Perfumery course looks good, and I am contemplating taking that in the near future. But, if you are not interested in solely naturals, that may not be a good fit.
I've come to the conclusion that we prospective perfumers are in about the same position as through history - we must endeavor to learn this art & science by personal research & experimentation, and hope for the good fortune of a master perfumer to take us under their wing to train us.
There's both excitement and frustration in this. One one hand, we are free to develop in the direction we choose; on the other, it's hard to find a direction, let alone pick one, with no system to direct us.
I *like* research. And fiddling around with weird stuff. To me, this is perfect.
If this helps, the perfumer's program I've sort of outlined for myself. Feel free to take as advice what suits you, and discard what doesn't.
Build organ: ~150 of the most common/useful aroma chems & naturals, with a handful of particular one's I'm interested in. --part of the learning is in researching what oils you should get. Begin with dilutions in ethanol; in time, also diluted in a stable oil to get familiar with the differences. Document, document document
Scent train: ~6 notes a day, smelt over the day (@20min increments 4x, 2 hr, 8 hr, next morning), with research on each note, writing impressions; learning IFRA restrictions & other legal concerns about each
Also, start with simple 2 note accords, vary levels of the 2 notes to see how they interact. Notes, notes, notes
Chem 1 (General Chemistry) at the local college, for both chemistry knowledge and laboratory techniques
Perfumery books: Perfumery Practice & Principals by Calkin & Jellinek; Essence & Alchemy, by Aftel; Chemistry of Fragrance by Charles Sell
2nd 6 mos.
Scent training - continue with learning how simple 2 and 3 note accords interact at varying proportions. Also how notes behave at differing dilutions.
Blind note testing -
*1969 Arctander whenever can afford it/find it*
Chem 2 - Organic Chemistry at the local college
Start looking at and learning naturals, classic perfumery techniques such as distillation, tincturing, etc. Use/read reprints of old (late 1800's) perfumery books for research
"research paper" on fragrance industry - suppliers, market, trends, etc
further scent training- building accords as well as pick a few classic scents and attempt to match them by note recognition
Work with notes, accords & full scents in standard bases to develop a familiarity with how they interact.
--see if there's any Chemistry classes available at local college that will assist in learning to read gas chromographs (spelling?)
Botany class and perhaps conversational French at the local college, also, for some of the terms
Well, that's about as far as I've figured out what I need to start with in actual research & formal education. Of course, I'm gonna play with all this stuff too
Hope that helps you guys, and if anyone can chime in with additional/better ideas-or correct me, go right ahead!
Two Perfumery Training schools that you can go and pay for yourself:
Further more a Master Perfumer is a title that is traditionally only given by 3 of the big 5 (although IFF joined this practice just this year) that celebrates the work of classically taught perfumers (within the big 5) with a history of great commercial successes.
But it is not copy-righted or anything so anyone can call themselves that.
A much better option is this one:
Customized consultancy on perfume formulation, safety, training and marketing & olfactory research
I also offer individual online personalised advice on perfume making to anyone eager to learn how to smell and design like a pro
Social platform & research network on all things smelly, daily smelly science twitter feed @SomethingSmelly
THE thread for all newbies DIY fragrance
And for anyone who needs to vent about IFRA's Tyrannical position in the Fragrance environment, I've made a political opinion cartoon here:
In this three-year training course, these 12 individuals will be a close team so Givaudan also taking into consideration the balance of the entire team. Some might have a good science background like chemistry and some are more the arty type. They also like a student with good imagination and creativity. (this is an experience from a former Givaudan student)
So if you decided to apply Givaudan later, i’d say be creative when writing your essay because they tend to like the benefits of mixed cultures with knowledge of perfumes.
Another one is ISIPA
ISIPA was founded by Jean-Jacques Guerlain and now a partnership with University of Versailles. It is a three years postgraduate programmes, a Bachelor/Master degree in perfumery, cosmetics and food flavoring. A bit more academic then Givaudan, it is focusing more on the science subjects on most parts during study.
And there many many 2-3 hours perfume workshops in France, mostly in Paris and Grasse. eg. Galimand.
Last edited by CX827; 5th May 2013 at 04:02 AM.
How are you coming along with your self-directed study? Have you changed anything? Added anything?
I think your structure is interesting ... the info is all out there, it's just how to put it together. (I am not very good at that!) But, like you, I also like research!