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    Hi

    Is there any perfumers education/school in the world?
    Ive found this site: http://www.perfumersworld.com/

    Are they good?
    Any others?

    Thanks in advance

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    I don't know anything about Perfumer's World, so I can't help you there.

    Which part of the world are you looking in?

    Unfortunately, perfume courses tend to be hard to find, because most of the larger firms do their own training in-house and keep the process quite secretive.
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    It doesnt matter which part in the world.
    I live in Sweden.

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    There might be something relevant here
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    thanks master-classter

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    Ciao Swe_tiger,
    you can take hints from this page on olfactory education: http://www.profumo.it/blog/index.php...tory-education
    AbdesSalaam Attar
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    I am the Instructor for an online basic perfumery course that focuses on natural aromatics. http://PerfumeClasses.com
    Anya McCoy - http://anyasgarden.com/
    Best of the Best awards - Perfume: MoonDance, StarFlower, Amberess, Light, Royal Lotus and as
    Project Leader: Outlaw Perfume and Mystery of Musk
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    America's First Natural Perfume Line 1991
    First Artisan Perfumer Voted in as member of the American Society of Perfumery 2013

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    I already attend a seminar about perfume making, if there's a seminar in your country don't hesitate to attend.

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    Hi there

    Alec Lawless teaches a 5 day Artisan Perfumery course in the UK, but is also willing to travel. In fact he is about to go to Australia and New Zealand to teach 2 courses! So if you wanted to get a group together, he could come to Sweden to teach. (There would be an additional charge for expenses such as travel and venue hire, but between 5-10 students this can be quite reasonable)

    To find out more about the course, have a look at the Essentially Me website or contact us for more details. http://www.essentially-me.co.uk/cour..._perfumery.php

    Hope this helps!

    Thanks
    Sian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural_Juice View Post
    I am the Instructor for an online basic perfumery course that focuses on natural aromatics. http://PerfumeClasses.com
    wow, i'm interested although i already finish the basic perfumery i still want to study.
    A Perfume Maker newbie, soon to build a perfume empire.

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    Thanks for all the answers.

    If there is anyone from Sweden intrested in taking courses in perfumery abroad or already did so please feel free to send me a PM.

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    So far I think I found three schools:

    givaudan perfumery school: http://www.givaudan.com/Fragrances/Perfumery+School
    what are the requirements here?

    one is the ISIPCA - but it requires chemistry degree? homepage?

    The perfumers world - only distance course? www.perfumersworld.com

    I dont have a degree in chemistry.
    Im more intrested in the creative part.

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    I was just recently looking into the Grasse Institute of Perfumery 5 day summer courses, I hope I'll be able to attend next summer:

    http://www.prodarom.com/anglais/gip/actu_gip.php

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    Okey, to summarize this is what ive got so far

    Perfumery schools:

    Grasse Institute of Perfumery
    http://www.prodarom.com/anglais/gip/...=ecole_gip.php

    Givaudan - Perfumery School
    http://www.givaudan.com/Fragrances/Perfumery+School

    Perfumers World
    http://www.perfumersworld.com/school/school.htm

    ISIPCA (only accept students with bacehlor degree in chemistry etc)
    http://www.isipca.fr/isipca/home.nsf...ction?OpenPage
    Last edited by swe_tiger; 5th September 2010 at 12:09 PM.

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    Ive emailed questions to GIP and Givaudan about a week ago, no response.
    Not very impressive.

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    Update, Ive got an answer from GIP:

    "We don(t require chemistry degree for the course.

    All the course is in English".

    It costs 11 500 euros

    Still, No answers from Givaudan and Perfumers World.

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    it sounds good. but... do you know the reputation of GIP? i would like to study as well, but i need advice. there many schools that get you a lot money but i need to know the reputation of these schools before decide

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    http://www.mane.com/fragrances/perfumery-school

    This is similar to Givaudan's school although it is two years instead of three. They are quite selective choosing only a couple applicants each year.

    The main thing is to look at are the instructors. If they are respected perfumers and you are a good student you will be on your way. I believe GIP takes twelve students each year - so it would be difficult to find places for all of them upon graduation (1 year program with a three month break in the middle of the year - so 9 months of study/practice). I do understand your concern but in this business connections are of the greatest benefit - connections with hard won skill is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swe_tiger View Post

    Still, No answers from Givaudan and Perfumers World.
    Givaudan will answer - they're pretty serious and professional about inquiries.
    Atleast they answered me some time ago.
    They are looking for people who speak English mandatory, and French would be good too.
    Cosmetology, Arts, chemistry graduates. No fee for the school because on the time of training (3 years) you are employed by them.
    Recruiting phases are around April/May. Enterance September/October.
    Recruitment is based on CV.

    It is and was a big dream of mine to be their student of perfumery but dang - i guess I'll have to study my own boring studies and play with perfume on the side and go commercial maybe some day. Damn i hate myself for being so indecisive.

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    Can you tell me eligibility criteria for guivadan and all other details.any other good institute which offers course in perfumery.... And I am planning to do it after high school....

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    In the past year, I've done the same research, with about the same results as to schools/formal education in perfumery. Unless you are accepted by the big houses, you will not find rigorous training in perfumery.

    The Perfumery World classes, I am unsure of, however, they are held in Thailand, and entail just a few weeks, so I think some private study beforehand would be best to get the most out of them.

    The Natural Perfumery course looks good, and I am contemplating taking that in the near future. But, if you are not interested in solely naturals, that may not be a good fit.

    I've come to the conclusion that we prospective perfumers are in about the same position as through history - we must endeavor to learn this art & science by personal research & experimentation, and hope for the good fortune of a master perfumer to take us under their wing to train us.

    There's both excitement and frustration in this. One one hand, we are free to develop in the direction we choose; on the other, it's hard to find a direction, let alone pick one, with no system to direct us.

    I *like* research. And fiddling around with weird stuff. To me, this is perfect.

    If this helps, the perfumer's program I've sort of outlined for myself. Feel free to take as advice what suits you, and discard what doesn't.
    6 months
    Build organ: ~150 of the most common/useful aroma chems & naturals, with a handful of particular one's I'm interested in. --part of the learning is in researching what oils you should get. Begin with dilutions in ethanol; in time, also diluted in a stable oil to get familiar with the differences. Document, document document
    Scent train: ~6 notes a day, smelt over the day (@20min increments 4x, 2 hr, 8 hr, next morning), with research on each note, writing impressions; learning IFRA restrictions & other legal concerns about each
    Also, start with simple 2 note accords, vary levels of the 2 notes to see how they interact. Notes, notes, notes
    Chem 1 (General Chemistry) at the local college, for both chemistry knowledge and laboratory techniques
    Perfumery books: Perfumery Practice & Principals by Calkin & Jellinek; Essence & Alchemy, by Aftel; Chemistry of Fragrance by Charles Sell

    2nd 6 mos.
    Scent training - continue with learning how simple 2 and 3 note accords interact at varying proportions. Also how notes behave at differing dilutions.
    Blind note testing -
    *1969 Arctander whenever can afford it/find it*
    Chem 2 - Organic Chemistry at the local college
    Start looking at and learning naturals, classic perfumery techniques such as distillation, tincturing, etc. Use/read reprints of old (late 1800's) perfumery books for research
    "research paper" on fragrance industry - suppliers, market, trends, etc


    2nd year
    further scent training- building accords as well as pick a few classic scents and attempt to match them by note recognition
    Work with notes, accords & full scents in standard bases to develop a familiarity with how they interact.
    --see if there's any Chemistry classes available at local college that will assist in learning to read gas chromographs (spelling?)
    Botany class and perhaps conversational French at the local college, also, for some of the terms

    Well, that's about as far as I've figured out what I need to start with in actual research & formal education. Of course, I'm gonna play with all this stuff too
    Hope that helps you guys, and if anyone can chime in with additional/better ideas-or correct me, go right ahead!

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    Two Perfumery Training schools that you can go and pay for yourself:

    http://www.isipca.fr/ France

    http://www.perfumeartschool-uk.com/u...l_brochure.pdf UK
    Paul Kiler
    PK Perfumes
    http://www.PKPERFUMES.com
    Gold Medal for "Best Aroma"; Los Angeles Artisan Fragrance Salon

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    This is a strict all natural course, taught by self-taught all natural perfumers that don't follow IFRA nor EU regulations and also follow the strict All Natural Perfumers Guild ethos. So if you're planning to learn how to make perfume using a broad spectrum of perfume materials and also intend on selling your products in the EU, this is not the right course.

    Further more a Master Perfumer is a title that is traditionally only given by 3 of the big 5 (although IFF joined this practice just this year) that celebrates the work of classically taught perfumers (within the big 5) with a history of great commercial successes.
    But it is not copy-righted or anything so anyone can call themselves that.

    A much better option is this one:
    http://www.icatsaromaeducation.com/
    Customized consultancy on olfactory branding, design & research
    I also offer individual online personalised advice on perfume making to anyone eager to learn how to smell and design like a pro
    www.irinatudor.nl

    Social platform & network on all things smelly
    www.somethingsmelly.com


    The facts on IFRA restrictions & EU regulations

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    And for anyone who needs to vent about IFRA's Tyrannical position in the Fragrance environment, I've made a political opinion cartoon here:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/4970448...n/photostream/
    Paul Kiler
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    Gold Medal for "Best Aroma"; Los Angeles Artisan Fragrance Salon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yash k. View Post
    Can you tell me eligibility criteria for guivadan and all other details.any other good institute which offers course in perfumery.... And I am planning to do it after high school....
    Screening is very strict at Givaudan, in general the requirement is based on the level of school achievement to determine admission and they only recruit 12 people each year.

    In this three-year training course, these 12 individuals will be a close team so Givaudan also taking into consideration the balance of the entire team. Some might have a good science background like chemistry and some are more the arty type. They also like a student with good imagination and creativity. (this is an experience from a former Givaudan student)

    So if you decided to apply Givaudan later, id say be creative when writing your essay because they tend to like the benefits of mixed cultures with knowledge of perfumes.

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    Another one is ISIPA

    ISIPA was founded by Jean-Jacques Guerlain and now a partnership with University of Versailles. It is a three years postgraduate programmes, a Bachelor/Master degree in perfumery, cosmetics and food flavoring. A bit more academic then Givaudan, it is focusing more on the science subjects on most parts during study.

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    And there many many 2-3 hours perfume workshops in France, mostly in Paris and Grasse. eg. Galimand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    4667803198_95b1ca3f71.jpg
    And for anyone who needs to vent about IFRA's Tyrannical position in the Fragrance environment, I've made a political opinion cartoon here:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/4970448...n/photostream/
    Haha, will there be a 2013 edition for EEC dwellers?

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    How are you coming along with your self-directed study? Have you changed anything? Added anything?
    I think your structure is interesting ... the info is all out there, it's just how to put it together. (I am not very good at that!) But, like you, I also like research!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andria View Post
    How are you coming along with your self-directed study? Have you changed anything? Added anything?
    I think your structure is interesting ... the info is all out there, it's just how to put it together. (I am not very good at that!) But, like you, I also like research!
    Andria, Since this thread is four years in the making, can you tell us who you are addressing your question to? :-)

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