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    Default Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    What do you want to see in this fragrance?


    Personally, I'd love Creed's take on a Burberry London type of fragrance. Utterly fall and winter oriented. Lots of pine, clove, musk, cinnamon, wine, etc. Something that screams Christmas, cold overcast days, and gourmand-like.

    Or they could go the oud route and make something more year-round and modern. Dry with leather and tobacco highlights. A younger man's Bois de Portugal. This is probably more likely.

    So if Creed anointed YOU to be the lead craftsman for creating a new fragrance called Woods & Spice, what would you do? Consider their current offerings (and holes in their lineup), the direction they went with Aventus, and market trends.

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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    Well, I'm a fan of a lot of Creeds older and heavier stuff. To me they do that very, very well.

    But frankly, I'm a mature and pretty traditional guy, and those probably don't sell so well these days, so I'm interested in seeing the direction this takes.

    I like your idea of a "young man's Bois du Portugal." Wearing the "old" Boid du Portugal right now.

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    I would like to see Creed make something like Epic, Gucci Pour Homme, Rochas Lui etc..

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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    A Londonish thing sounds excellent. Younger BdP sounds very good - I almost see that as the same thing, style-wise. Moving toward Amouage and Kilian somehow (a shade more modern), yet retaining the essential Creed "not in the current time" vibe - I think this is critical to Creed's success.

    I agree with Creed's move to add more modern, youthful scents, and keeping the lineup fresh. As long as they keep a few of the "house vibes" in the new offerings, I think they will do well. As long as the frags feel solid and not trendy, the company is on solid ground.

    For Woods & Spice, it is essential that both of these be prominent. Seems like a no-brainer, but it's one of the easiest criticisms of a scent ("Where's the beef?").

    The quality of classic "old man" scents, but the modernity of more youthful niche offerings, combined with that Creed "shades of the past" thing, which is a core competency (see Windsor) - this opens up something which is hard for other houses to effect. Nobody does a modern scent with a classic feel like Creed IMO.

    I'm quite looking forward to this one.
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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    Supposedly Spice and Wood is a lighter, more transparent version of Bdp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBond007 View Post
    Supposedly Spice and Wood is a lighter, more transparent version of Bdp.
    And if it is, it may be interesting, provided the spice were turned up a spell and perhaps the lavender down a notch. Just my wishes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBond007 View Post
    Supposedly Spice and Wood is a lighter, more transparent version of Bdp.
    oh god that would be PERFECT.

    where did you hear that?

    I love Bois de Portugal... but I just can't pull it off at my young(ish) age of 32. My dad can rock the hell out of it, on the other hand.

    If they came out with something that has that old-school, prestigious vibe of BdP, but lighter and less commanding, that would be great. Of course, Acier Aluminium and Baie de Genievre kind of fit that bill already.

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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    Quote Originally Posted by TalkingMuffin View Post
    oh god that would be PERFECT.

    where did you hear that?

    I love Bois de Portugal... but I just can't pull it off at my young(ish) age of 32. My dad can rock the hell out of it, on the other hand.

    If they came out with something that has that old-school, prestigious vibe of BdP, but lighter and less commanding, that would be great. Of course, Acier Aluminium and Baie de Genievre kind of fit that bill already.
    Even as an older guy, I can tell you, opportunities to wear BdP get fewer and fewer. For VT it's even worse. We need young scents as badly as the young guys. When I go through the cafeteria line, I need something that just plain smells good to people half my age - something that goes with a polo shirt but makes you smell like you're wearing a tie. A younger BdP fills the bill!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Even as an older guy, I can tell you, opportunities to wear BdP get fewer and fewer.
    Agreed - BdP works best for me on only the coldest days. . . but I love it so much that I want Spices & Woods to smell like a spicier version of BdP. That would be my choice. For $500+, the likely price point, it had better be damn strong stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Even as an older guy, I can tell you, opportunities to wear BdP get fewer and fewer. For VT it's even worse. We need young scents as badly as the young guys. When I go through the cafeteria line, I need something that just plain smells good to people half my age - something that goes with a polo shirt but makes you smell like you're wearing a tie. A younger BdP fills the bill!
    I agree.....A younger BdP would be excellent!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalkingMuffin View Post
    oh god that would be PERFECT.

    where did you hear that?

    I love Bois de Portugal... but I just can't pull it off at my young(ish) age of 32. My dad can rock the hell out of it, on the other hand.

    If they came out with something that has that old-school, prestigious vibe of BdP, but lighter and less commanding, that would be great. Of course, Acier Aluminium and Baie de Genievre kind of fit that bill already.
    That's my business. I wear bdp and I am 24, but I like wearing strong colognes.

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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    I agree - a London-ish, Xmas oriented scent sounds delicious. In fact, the only Creed I currently own in full bottle is one of it's spiciest: Baie de Genievre. More spice please!
    Currently wearing: Shalimar by Guerlain

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    I agree - a London-ish, Xmas oriented scent sounds delicious. In fact, the only Creed I currently own in full bottle is one of it's spiciest: Baie de Genievre. More spice please!
    A dose of that cinnamon leaf in BdG would be welcome as well as a small taste of BdP's woods. I'm hoping the spice is much more than just a big dose of iso-eugenol/eugenol/benzyl cinnamate/cinnamic alcohol, as that would be too typical for creed. And yes to a slight london-ish style, more on that later.

    Since seeing the note lists so similar for aventus and spice&woods...

    Quote Originally Posted by cairomerta View Post
    - Creed Aventus.
    Top Notes: Black Currant/Bergamont/ Blanc Apple/Royal Pineapple
    Middle Notes: Napoleon Roses/Louisiana Birch/ Egyptian Jasmine/ Patchouli
    Basenotes: Oakmoss/Ambegris/Vanilla


    Creed Spice & Woods -

    Top Notes: Bergamont/lemon/Aromatic Pendu Plat Apples from Rome
    Middle Notes; Angelica Root and Luxor Rose/ Clove oil/desert pepper/ Patchouli and birch
    Basenotes: Egyptian Iris/ Ceder/ Oakmoss and musk

    Looks like oakmoss is back!!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by DULLAH View Post
    Aventus, at least by the notes, certainly doesn't seem like Bois De Santal LOL!

    Apple/Bergamot/Rose/Birch/Patchouli/Oakmoss makes me think these were each based off a single experiment, and it went in two equally likable directions....

    ...very eager to try both.
    I've thought CREED was basing booth these off a common formula, and after smelling Aventus, and being terribly dissapointed by the topnotes, and dissapointed in the weakness of the base, I kept smelling a very heavily sprayed card for several weeks, and grew to see promise in the basenotes of aventus, so long as they were increased in strength.



    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    A Londonish thing sounds excellent. Younger BdP sounds very good - I almost see that as the same thing, style-wise.

    For Woods & Spice, it is essential that both of these be prominent. Seems like a no-brainer, but it's one of the easiest criticisms of a scent ("Where's the beef?").

    The quality of classic "old man" scents, but the modernity of more youthful niche offerings, combined with that Creed "shades of the past" thing, which is a core competency (see Windsor) - this opens up something which is hard for other houses to effect. Nobody does a modern scent with a classic feel like Creed IMO.

    I'm quite looking forward to this one.
    Burberry London topnotes type perhaps, but not the drydown, which is really just a weaker bogart ph lyral/coumarin/wood combo. I wouldn't mind that reserved apple/spice topnote done much better, I think it's the classiest of the contemporary fall scents. Perhaps with plenty of the floral tendency of the brown leather-wrapped 2008/2009 limited edition Burberry London.

    A slight taste (4-6%) of BdP's sandal/cedar/ambergris basenotes (please none of the lavender or overt powder) married to a much-stronger version of aloof&cool Aventus' base (patch/moss/birch/musk) would be a feat. Especially heavy on the dry birch and patchouli notes.

    I'm not for oud or anything gourmandish like XXV or 1270 or anything too retro. This release should be the masculine reference point for contemporary spicy/woody scents in it's generation. I wouldn't mind seeing a persistent muted spice accord underlined by the spicy ginger(that dries to a mace/cinnamic ginger) same as used in the tabaromes. And it should be only mildly sweet, with the only sweetness coming from the star notes themselves, and tonka(coumarin). All other sweeteners besides coumarin lack masculinity imho.

    I'm certainly praying for the apple/clove NOT to smell anything like HUGO LOL.
    And it can't be as big a let down as Aventus.
    Spice & Woods should be a good one.

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    Has sublime vanille begun to appear at online discounters yet? And if so, what is the cost?
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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    ^Sounds good, DULLAH. Yeah, the London top notes was what I was thinking. That's the part I like. And I agree about not being too retro. The whole point is to get contemporary but not eye-rolling hip - as you say, masculine reference point for contemporary spicy/woody scents in its generation.
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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    The biggest hint as to what it will smell like is the classification of the fragrance...Aventus was classified as 'Imperial/Fruity-Fresh', hence from the very beginning I knew it wasn't going to be a mossy-woods sillage monster.

    Does any one know what Spice and Wood has been classified as ?
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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    If I was to make Woods & Spice?

    Top: Lemon Peel, Lime, Apple+Cinnamon
    Middle: Clary Sage, Tobacco, Patchouli, Leather
    Base: Ironwood, Musk, Vetiver, Sandalwood, Black Moss, Tonka Bean

    It should open with a citrus blast, which definitely goes with the market trend. The apple will add a bit of a twist, with the cinnamon allowing for the Spice Aspect of the fragrance to reveal itself. But once the heart comes in, you know this fragrance means business! Patchouli will add depth and an earthy feel, while Clary Sage and Tobacco add some more spice; the Leather will give a nice, masculine touch. Finally the base will have Vetiver, continuing the earth-y feel started by the Patchouli; the Sandalwood will give warmth; Ironwood, a note in Givenchy Pi, is a great woody note that i believe should be used more; the Tonka will add some sweetness, but only a small amount of Tonka so as to add a slightly sweet aroma to the Wood aspect.

    I'm sure some of the notes i have in there simply don't go together, I'm no fragrance composition expert by any means, but to me, that'd be a damn good Woods & Spice

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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    for some reason, i like using the more "elegant" scents while wearing a nice pair of shorts, moc's and a wife beater

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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    If they don't have a bottle design idea yet, I propose this:


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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    If this is the the pyramid of Woods & Spice (quoted by dullah in #13):

    Top Notes: Bergamont/lemon/Aromatic Pendu Plat Apples from Rome
    Middle Notes; Angelica Root and Luxor Rose/ Clove oil/desert pepper/ Patchouli and birch
    Basenotes: Egyptian Iris/ Ceder/ Oakmoss and musk

    Then I would not expect it to smell like BdP at all.
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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    I speculate that this thread will reach 5000 hits and start an all out Creed war. Before it is even released there will be people claiming all they smell is the apple note and compare it to DKNY Be. Others will insist they smell fresh, crisp Pendu Plat apples. Some will claim this fragrance was made for Tiger Woods and refuse to wear it.
    As for the scent it will be a decent, contemporary, subtle woods and some spice scent. It won't be a masterpiece and blow people away but it will have its fans.

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    [QUOTE=DULLAH;1890638]A dose of that cinnamon leaf in BdG would be welcome as well as a small taste of BdP's woods. I'm hoping the spice is much more than just a big dose of iso-eugenol/eugenol/benzyl cinnamate/cinnamic alcohol, as that would be too typical for creed. And yes to a slight london-ish style, more on that later.

    Just a few weeks ago I was buying some large houseplants for my loft and one of the plants I got was a cinnamon tree. If you scratch off a bit of the bark with your fingernail, it has a pleasant soft green cinnamon smell; but if you tear off a leaf and rip it up in your hands and smell it, it's such a wonderful smell-- just like Burberry London. Now, because of this I've gone back and rediscovered London-- I love the cinnamon leaf notes so much more now.

    If Creed makes something new that is similar to BdP and London, I'd be pretty jazzed to try it (as long as it wasn't a clone).

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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    Quote Originally Posted by AZsmells View Post
    As for the scent it will be a decent, contemporary, subtle woods and some spice scent. It won't be a masterpiece and blow people away but it will have its fans.
    This.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZsmells View Post
    I speculate that this thread will reach 5000 hits and start an all out Creed war. Before it is even released there will be people claiming all they smell is the apple note and compare it to DKNY Be. Others will insist they smell fresh, crisp Pendu Plat apples. Some will claim this fragrance was made for Tiger Woods and refuse to wear it.
    As for the scent it will be a decent, contemporary, subtle woods and some spice scent. It won't be a masterpiece and blow people away but it will have its fans.
    You beat me to the punch with a response like this. I lol'ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scentsitivity View Post
    If this is the the pyramid of Woods & Spice (quoted by dullah in #13):

    Top Notes: Bergamont/lemon/Aromatic Pendu Plat Apples from Rome
    Middle Notes; Angelica Root and Luxor Rose/ Clove oil/desert pepper/ Patchouli and birch
    Basenotes: Egyptian Iris/ Ceder/ Oakmoss and musk

    Then I would not expect it to smell like BdP at all.
    on paper it looks a lot like aventus.

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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    Quote Originally Posted by AZsmells View Post
    Some will claim this fragrance was made for Tiger Woods and refuse to wear it.
    Not me! If the Creed marketing propaganda says he wore it, it's a BUY!

    PS - Didn't he have more than just 5 girlfriends?

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    I don't think it will be as if God wrote the formula on a Stone Tablet and only Creed managed to procure and interpret said formula with breath-taking results. It most likely will be as the name implies and have a few followers. Who knows. I will be curious to sample it, for sure.
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    On creedboutique.com, the name is listed as Spice and Wood.

    http://blog.creedboutique.com/breaki...r-celebration/

    The blog entry is kind of fun, too.

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    Default Re: Creed Woods & Spice - let's speculate...

    This fall, celebration continues with the release of Spice and Wood, the second (after Sublime Vanille) in CREED’s Royal Exclusives collection of fragrances, a 250th anniversary statement about the beauty of fragrance as art object.
    Oh yeah!
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    I guess it would be a CREED version of OUD / AMOUAGE EPIC / Oriental type of frag....
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    So is this any closer to release then?

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