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    Default Re: Real Ambergris - how powerful is the smell meant to be?

    try to mix it with something else, on one strip the mixture and the other just that something else. maybe some delicate 'soft floral' accord (including a little aldehyde and just a little musk). wait just a minute, and start smelling. keep smelling over the next hours, days, even weeks. it should perform as a bouquetting agent, it will take some sharpness off the aldehydes, act as a very good fixative, and leave you with a nice and lasting final note.
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    Thanks GLTASN and Gido for the responses. I wrote a review of it here on Basenotes. I noticed that another review below mine also spoke of the ambergris tincture as smelling like bad breath, which is what it smells like to me. I am thinking that the ambergris tincture probably smells different and less appealing than an actual piece of ambergris that is heated up or burned. And perhaps the particular ambergris that was tinctured by AbdesSalaam Attar had not aged very long or was 'fresher' than some, and that is why it smells rather nasty. I do not regret trying it; it's certainly a fascinating substance.

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    There is such variation in the quality of ambergris available on the market today. Some of the newer ones are very fecal and very animalic. The most refined ones are the lightest, faintest beige that has a powder, vanililc, sea-foam, something-human-warmth to it. I quite like the smell of all of them, but they're not all created equal. Not even close. I'd wager that they're different from whale to whale and from how long and how intense the irradiation was.

    The more putrid the ambergris, the longer it must be tinctured. Storing it in the dark is unnecessary (actually, light will mature the more pungent compositions).

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    I wonder if an artificial lamp with a daylight bulb would mature a stinky oil.... left on day and night.....
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    Your comments do not surprise me, having first hand experience with customers reactions to ambergris smell. Strong reactions often, as this is the only product that customers sometimes return to us. They do that for one of 2 reasons. The first one is that they find the smell apalling (mostly French women) or they cannot smell it at all (French men).
    Ambergris is not a strong smell, even in high concentration, and many are disappointed who expected a smell like the perfumery amber notes. A perfumer should smell things as they are, while normal people smell things as their feel. In a way a perfumer smells with his nos4e why othe4rs smell with their guts.
    I shall tell you how should a good ambergris smell to me. It should be of middle aged quality, light brown golden or sprinkeld with grey sparkling spots. The smell may be at first sight look slightly fecal but only to give way to a leatheary and sea smell. However what makes the quality of the smell to me is the full rich milky feeling that produces the comfort of a motherly presence.
    Ambergris like all other animal smells has to be smelled again and again before understanding it. Our nose must be educated to it. Certainly for our nose there is nothing farther to the present commercial perfumery than these pheromonal smells. Much farther than botanical perfumery.
    I take the opportunity of this post to invite my fellow basenoters who wish to educate their nose, to experiment new things and to participate in a democratic research project to join us on the profumo friends club as we are about to start "playing with pheromones".
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    Howdy.. I'm from New Zealand and I find/look for Ambergris professionally.. GLTASN : you dont really want to store you amber gris in a sealed container - its good if it can breathe and continue to age / oxidise... you do have some nice pieces there form the looks of it tho!

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    mattybaba, thx ive now have it all in plastic containers that have loose fitting screwtops. heres a current pic of all my ambergris.
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    Howdy Mattybaba, how many bits do you find.... and how often...and do you look every day.... and all day... and where? Many burning questions. Please tell us all about it if it isn't giving your trade secrets away... I dream of finding a bit, but only Wales has shown a glimmer of hope just the once with a huge bit that two dogwalkers found.

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    Hey nice one, thats a really nice looking collection you've got with some beautiful pieces for sure, quite a diverse range with them all well aged ..and the sperm whale oil is a real relic from the past as well!...
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    Hey mumsy.. *How many bits you find depends on how good you are at looking for it + putting yourself in an area with a higher probability of it washing up...until recently it was thought that only male sperm whales made ambergris but a female was found to produce it if they get large enough..for all intents and purposes you can almost say that only large mature sperm whales make it tho. its still a needle in a haystack & rarer than rocking horse sh*t so to speak....I wish i could look every day but i live in the Nelson Bays and its next to impossible for the wind and currents to push it in here...not sure about Wales as an ambergris destination but its all one big soup so can therefore wash up anywhere technically.. hope that helps you on your journey.. some people look for years and never find it here in NZ...I've found over a dozen pieces on my last 2 expeditions.
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    More likely to be sticking a hot pin in many a lump of fossilised doggy doo before I found anything in Wales. I'm surprised that many of you ambergris hunters haven't found us DIY lot before actually. I'm sure you will find many a willing buyer of small amounts here if your stuff is good but you will need to break off a micro amount for us to smell. I know GLTASN and I will willingly volunteer for the job as we are Ambergris fiends. I use tinypic for posting photos on forums, but there are many.
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    haha... yes it can look very similar to a barkers nest to the amatuer unfortunately!...that sounds really encouraging that there will be some interest out there from the DIY crew, and rest assured i have (and have access to more thru other hunters) some absolutely stunning pieces available .. . I hear a lot of poeple saying that the best stuff floats around in the ocean for years but its my experience that the best pieces are those that have lodged on terra firma for decades and had a good chance to oxidise and dry out slowly... water bourne gris is not necessarily good gris at all... I'll try and get some photos up for ya's.
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    PS: mumsy.. you need to clear some space for my private message apparently:

    "mumsy has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

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    Oops cleared.

    'barkers nest' - that's really funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybaba View Post
    haha... yes it can look very similar to a barkers nest to the amatuer unfortunately!...that sounds really encouraging that there will be some interest out there from the DIY crew, and rest assured i have (and have access to more thru other hunters) some absolutely stunning pieces available .. NZ ambergris, and especially Stewart Island ambergris is known to be some of the best in the world duw to its remote unspoiled coastline and proximity to sperm whales... I hear a lot of poeple saying that the best stuff floats around in the ocean for years but its my (and every other ambergriser) experience that the best pieces are those that have lodged on terra firma for decades and had a good chance to oxidise and dry out slowly... water bourne gris is not necessarily good gris at all... I'll try and get some photos up for ya's.

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    Do you have to wait for a storm for it to be thrown ashore? I know when I am sharks tooth hunting that we have to wait for one and get there early before all the other hunters.
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    Storms are great for ambergrising - but not just beacause the gris can get thrown ashore from the ocean...storms eat away at the coastline and this is when very old pieces can get dislodged from banks / sand dunes etc after being hidden there for decades... so yeah, grissing has a huge storm chasing component involved.
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    Default Re: Real Ambergris - how powerful is the smell meant to be?

    This (revived) discussion is fascinating. Thank you for shedding a little light on this mysterious subject. Thank you mattybaba, for sharing your experience. Here where I live (Burma) there is supposed to be ambergris, and it is "available" in the markets, but always seems to be either fake or so badly stored it is moldy. It is said there is "good quality" ambergris here, but I have not seen it. Probably exported directly if there is indeed any. The question is, in a tropical country like this how would it age in the way it does in NZ? Seems like it would just melt or go rancid before it would age and oxidize. Any thoughts?

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    Howdy Gecko.. Hey I wouldn't know anything about the quality of the ambergris in Burma myself but its interesting to hear your experiences with it, cheers...(last time i heard of Burma the government was cracking monk's heads.. I hope things are peaced out there for you and everyone now)
    It definitely shouldn't be moldy thats fa sure.. its important to let gris settle and age unmolested from other influences & odours (crucial if you want to use it for perfumes/oils/tinctures, etc) just like in the wild... handling ambergris directly is a big no no if you wish to keep it pristine and free from even the oils from your skin for example...gris also has a low melting point, so with old dry gris its very obvious to a trained eye if its been handled significantly...personally i store gris in unbleached and unscented tissue which is then placed in a cardboard tube with end caps so it can breathe and be protected from external influences at the same time - i do this as soon as i can out in the field, as long as its not too wet / water bourne of course... I also weigh it immediately so i can start to get an idea over time how its settling/drying/lightening up compared to the actual piece and enviroment i found it in (I'm sure clients prefer to have some stats as well, i certainly do anyway)... I'm also sure other poeple have different ways of storing it handling it tho... Basically I cant see why a tropical enviroment should be a problem tho if the gris can breathe properly...after all it can handle salt water, rain, ice, etc under natural conditions, but hey, who really knows what it takes to make the perfect gris?....its a science with many unique variables thankfully - otherwise every piece would be the same!...every gris lover has their own ideas and methods from the source to the lotions and potions...
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    I started reading this thread and immediately went and grabbed my 3 year old tincture of grey/white from NZ. It is one of my most prized posessions.....LOVE IT!! BTW grissing in NZ is on the bucket list...lol
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    I quite agree, I've been wearing all my tinctures all at once. I shall come with you when I'm doing my bucket list.
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    Very well then, its a bucket date...hehe.
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    Bring your avon with you. I've got the Treselle.....
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    Wonderful thread - I hope you'll allow a complete newbie to wade into these ambergris waters...
    I also share a great interest in ambergris, and part of it is for historic reasons. When I was much younger I was fortunate enough to handle raw ambergris and aged ambergris at the Peabody Museum in New Haven, Connecticut (USA), as part of an exhibit of whaling in the 18th and 19th centuries. I recall that one of the aged samples was well over 100 years old. Oh, how I wish my brain could recall the scents of these ambergris's... what I do know is that, for my young age's ability to recall, the scents were incredibly complex; at one turn rather raw and strange, and at another turn, deeply sweet and pleasantly oily.

    What is particularly fascinating is that whaling culture was so deeply rooted to where I grew up and currently live (seaside New England, US.) Herman Melville describes these coasts and particularly Nantucket with such detail (and humor) in Moby Dick... so many museums here hold beautiful artifacts from early Hawaii and other Pacific islands that were brought back as souvenirs by whalers who lived in New England. I think it is with mixed emotions of fascination and perhaps some sadness to see so many remnants of whales that were used to create everything from high art to everyday objects (corset bones, knitting needles, sewing needles, lamps, pipes, pin boxes, pill boxes... an endless variety...) I think this may be why ambergris is rather beautiful, since it comes from a whale but is in no way invasive to obtain it. Perhaps the whales get the last laugh for our fascination :-)

    I would love to experience the scent of ambergris again; this thread more or less proves that we (as humans) have a deep reverence for the whales of the world - an almost poetic mutual respect. It's like the wonder you feel when you are whale watching off the costs of Cape Cod; a truly breath-taking experience.

    I love to vicariously hear about your experiences with ambergris. It may be the closest I get to ambergris for quite a while, but it certainly stokes the fire of fascination.
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    There's more discussion about ambergris here: http://www.basenotes.net/threads/231143-Ambergris

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    Hi I am from NZ and have been interested in buying a piece of Ambergris for some time - I just want to see it, smell it, feel it you know learn about it. Then I thought I would attempt to make a tincture with alcohol to use it in some experimenting I have been doing with perfume, just playing around having fun nothing serious. Can I buy some directly from you? Have you thought about trying to sell it through Trade Me? I have looked on there several times thinking people finding it on the beach might list it but have never seen anyone selling it on there. I think I would like a well aged piece but still salty/marine/sea smelling. I live within sight of the beach and love the salty sea air, I smell it all day long, never tire of it. Next weekend I am staying at KareKare beach on the west coast thought I would do some beachcombing and see if I can find anything resembling ambergris- I understand west caost beaches north of Auckland are good places to search?? Can you give me some good advice with regards to tincturing it? When do you think you might have your website online there seems to be a lot of interest in ambergris. Zoe

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    Howdy Zoe, sorry about the delay - I'm actually still out of town / away from my office for another 10 days, i just happen to be checkin my emails.. I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to actually sell / advertise as such thru the forums.. so send me a private message with your email address and we'll take it from there..sweet runner, Matt
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    I've been playing around with ambergris for a year now, making tinctures and oils with different colored pieces. I've made extracts in hot alcohol and cold alcohol and reduced these downs to make "absolutes." It's the most tenacious stuff I've ever encountered--one application easily survived a shower--but the smell is disappointing. The absolutes smelled divine but once re-tinctured, they lost their aroma and smell only of dirty hair. I have no idea of how long I'm supposed to keep the tinctures--I have one tincture from profumo and it has the same aroma as mine.
    However, I've ordered "Indian Ocean Ambergris" and "White Ambergris" from Agarscents Bazaar and have found them magnificent with a delicate balsamic aroma that stays on the skin for many hours. Other than musk, I find these oils to be the most persistent of any of my naturals. Mixing them with other ingredients is magnificent. I can't figure out what they've done at Agarscents to come up with these oils. If only my tinctures smelled the same.
    So, all this being said, I don't know how to use my ambergris. (And I do have about 100 ml of 25% solution.) It has so little aroma, but I guess it is used as a fixative, but I suspect it would take a fair amount to work and in my reading I get the impression that the stuff is so strong and pervasive (like the Agarscents oils) that very little is needed to produce an effect.
    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Peterson View Post
    I've been playing around with ambergris for a year now, making tinctures and oils with different colored pieces. I've made extracts in hot alcohol and cold alcohol and reduced these downs to make "absolutes." It's the most tenacious stuff I've ever encountered--one application easily survived a shower--but the smell is disappointing. The absolutes smelled divine but once re-tinctured, they lost their aroma and smell only of dirty hair. I have no idea of how long I'm supposed to keep the tinctures--I have one tincture from profumo and it has the same aroma as mine.
    However, I've ordered "Indian Ocean Ambergris" and "White Ambergris" from Agarscents Bazaar and have found them magnificent with a delicate balsamic aroma that stays on the skin for many hours. Other than musk, I find these oils to be the most persistent of any of my naturals. Mixing them with other ingredients is magnificent. I can't figure out what they've done at Agarscents to come up with these oils. If only my tinctures smelled the same.
    So, all this being said, I don't know how to use my ambergris. (And I do have about 100 ml of 25% solution.) It has so little aroma, but I guess it is used as a fixative, but I suspect it would take a fair amount to work and in my reading I get the impression that the stuff is so strong and pervasive (like the Agarscents oils) that very little is needed to produce an effect.
    Any thoughts?
    Perhaps, because Agarscents are know for their Ouds, they have blended a bit of oud into the ambergris, to give it depth and nuance. Can't imagine a better combination for simbiatic fixation.

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