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    Hi,

    i am building my first perfume organ and i am a little bit confused about what to buy and what not to buy.

    At the moment i have these materials:

    Osmanthus Abs.
    Tuberose Abs.
    Fir Abs.
    Tonka Bean Abs.
    Opopanax
    Labdanum
    Haiti Vetiver
    Styrax
    Evernia Prunastri (Oakmoss)
    Patchouly
    Clove Bud
    Tarragon
    Ginger
    Cedarwood Atlas
    Cedarwood Virginia
    Coriander
    Bergamote FCF
    Bergamote
    Sandalwood Mysore
    Lime FCF
    Ambroxan
    Sandalwood Australia


    I m very happy with these EO´s but i know isn´t enough to start.

    Any recommendations?

    Also looking for good supplier in Europe, but not so expensive.


    Any helps?


    THANKS TO EVERYONE

    Best regards from Madrid

    Oliver

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    Default Re: building my first organ, what i need more?

    Think of top notes (citrus, mint, light woods, lavender, herbs etc) middle notes (florals, woods, herbs, spices) and base notes (woods, spices and balsams) and make sure you have a variety of each.
    The obvious things missing from your list are the common florals (rose, jasmine, neroli, geranium).
    You need some rose urgently! I couldn't live without lots of lemon oil.
    The best way to get started, in my opinion, is to try and make some classic types of fragrance. Make a chypre (bergamot, oakmoss, labdanum, pathchouli for the skeleton chypre, then fill out the heart with florals, or make an oriental (anything over a base of vanilla, sandalwood etc) or make a woody (citrus top over woods) or make a vetiver etc.

    I have built my pallette around what I have wished to work with on a particular frag - recently been exploring tobacco.
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    Ummm, sounds interesting.
    I will explore this palette.

    You live in UK. So, where do you buy small quantities in good prices?

    Actually i am testing also a fragrance with tobacco and apple, for my colection of candles. :-) I love tobacco.


    Do you have any of your parfums available to samples or selling?

    Thanks so much !
    I really appreciate help from people here

    Quote Originally Posted by hirch_duckfinder View Post
    Think of top notes (citrus, mint, light woods, lavender, herbs etc) middle notes (florals, woods, herbs, spices) and base notes (woods, spices and balsams) and make sure you have a variety of each.
    The obvious things missing from your list are the common florals (rose, jasmine, neroli, geranium).
    You need some rose urgently! I couldn't live without lots of lemon oil.
    The best way to get started, in my opinion, is to try and make some classic types of fragrance. Make a chypre (bergamot, oakmoss, labdanum, pathchouli for the skeleton chypre, then fill out the heart with florals, or make an oriental (anything over a base of vanilla, sandalwood etc) or make a woody (citrus top over woods) or make a vetiver etc.

    I have built my pallette around what I have wished to work with on a particular frag - recently been exploring tobacco.

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    Hi
    Vanilla and/or Benzoin. Lots of florals as HD says above, narcissus is a favourite of mine, and you've got to get a whole load of rose too. Orris is widely used but expensive. Violet is good.
    Petitgrain. Hay or Flouve are amazing. White Birch also known as Birch Tar in very, very small amounts. Oakmoss is a must.

    Sites I've used in the UK are:
    Amphora Aromatics
    New Directions
    Essentially Oils

    I usually shop around for the best deals. I have a list of around 20 - 30 places. The ones I've said here are the ones I've used most and the more you buy the cheaper it gets. There are quite a few large scale wholesalers around too but they usually won't do less than 1kg.
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    Frankincense and Myrrh too!

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    Black Pepper can bring a nice masculine note.

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    Hi Grierson,

    you are very kind with me!

    I will try to get some of EO´s you told me.

    recently i see that tarragon broke all my mixes...
    any sustitute?


    Quote Originally Posted by Grierson View Post
    Hi
    Vanilla and/or Benzoin. Lots of florals as HD says above, narcissus is a favourite of mine, and you've got to get a whole load of rose too. Orris is widely used but expensive. Violet is good.
    Petitgrain. Hay or Flouve are amazing. White Birch also known as Birch Tar in very, very small amounts. Oakmoss is a must.

    Sites I've used in the UK are:
    Amphora Aromatics
    New Directions
    Essentially Oils

    I usually shop around for the best deals. I have a list of around 20 - 30 places. The ones I've said here are the ones I've used most and the more you buy the cheaper it gets. There are quite a few large scale wholesalers around too but they usually won't do less than 1kg.
    G

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    i know, i have to buy a lot !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grierson View Post
    Frankincense and Myrrh too!

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    yes, it was on my diary.
    black pepper and pepper from Madagascar


    Quote Originally Posted by Grierson View Post
    Black Pepper can bring a nice masculine note.

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    I can't seem to find the link now but recently someone posted a website where you can buy a set of base notes, like an organ of sorts, for beginner perfumers or I suppose scentheads who want to be able to identify individual notes.

    also, pretend like you're buying a whole set, then go look up what would be the full set versus the more basic (ie essential) ones.
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    it could be Perfumer´s Apprentice? They sell beginners kits.
    i will try to buy by myself, separate. i just want to know what is the more common EO, Absolutes, and Aromachemicals used in modern perfumery.

    Thanks Master-Classter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Master-Classter View Post
    I can't seem to find the link now but recently someone posted a website where you can buy a set of base notes, like an organ of sorts, for beginner perfumers or I suppose scentheads who want to be able to identify individual notes.

    also, pretend like you're buying a whole set, then go look up what would be the full set versus the more basic (ie essential) ones.

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    About the organ part as hardware, You can build one following the instructions at
    http://www.profumo.it/aromaterapia/C...umer_organ.asp
    AbdesSalaam Attar
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    http://www.profumo.it/Blog/index.php

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    As you make different kinds of perfumes, you will gradually add things to your organ. If you have what are (for you) the basics, I see no need to go out and try to obtain a "standard" set of EOs and aromachemicals. The challenge is to find good suppliers, look through their offerings, and try small amounts of things that sound interesting. Some will immediately prove useful, and you can then buy these in larger amounts. This has been my approach, and over the years that I've been experimenting, I've acquired quite an extensive organ. However, it evolved gradually rather than happening all at once, and will never stop evolving.
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    Here are some really good European suppliers for fine perfume materials.

    http://www.reincke-fichtner.de/
    http://www.hekserij.nl/en/main.htm
    http://www.omikron-online.de/
    http://www.aqua-oleum.co.uk/

    I agree with DocElly: begin with developing something and your nose and education will get you further.
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    Nothing like the experience :-)))))




    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Elly View Post
    As you make different kinds of perfumes, you will gradually add things to your organ. If you have what are (for you) the basics, I see no need to go out and try to obtain a "standard" set of EOs and aromachemicals. The challenge is to find good suppliers, look through their offerings, and try small amounts of things that sound interesting. Some will immediately prove useful, and you can then buy these in larger amounts. This has been my approach, and over the years that I've been experimenting, I've acquired quite an extensive organ. However, it evolved gradually rather than happening all at once, and will never stop evolving.

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    Hello Irina,

    where do you live?
    I was trying to order in www.recincke-fichtner.de, but they don´t have any online shop, just a list and cas number.

    how did you order to them?




    Quote Originally Posted by Irina View Post
    Here are some really good European suppliers for fine perfume materials.

    http://www.reincke-fichtner.de/
    http://www.hekserij.nl/en/main.htm
    http://www.omikron-online.de/
    http://www.aqua-oleum.co.uk/

    I agree with DocElly: begin with developing something and your nose and education will get you further.
    Happy shopping

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    If you want to build up faster and don't need the costs. Consider swapping smaller amounts like 1ml maybe with another beginner. There are many of us out there all trying to build up our choices too. There is a lot of that sort of activity with other basenoters, especially on the perfume side. That sort of fellow mankind trust and exchange makes life such fun.

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    Mumsy, i really would like to have some basenoters near me, in Spain :-)

    it would be great to share experiences

    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    If you want to build up faster and don't need the costs. Consider swapping smaller amounts like 1ml maybe with another beginner. There are many of us out there all trying to build up our choices too. There is a lot of that sort of activity with other basenoters, especially on the perfume side. That sort of fellow mankind trust and exchange makes life such fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverandco View Post
    Hello Irina,

    where do you live?
    I was trying to order in www.recincke-fichtner.de, but they don´t have any online shop, just a list and cas number.

    how did you order to them?
    I'm in the Netherlands I just called them
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    lucky you ! :-)

    do they sell small quantities? what is the minimum order for each product?


    Quote Originally Posted by Irina View Post
    I'm in the Netherlands I just called them

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverandco View Post
    lucky you ! :-)

    do they sell small quantities? what is the minimum order for each product?
    It's been a while that I ordered, but they did sell small quantities (well about 1 oz =30 ml) and their minimum order was 100 euro.
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    it sounds good. i will try to contact with them and ask to buy a set of the most common aromachemicals used for parfums

    I´m also looking for the EO´s from John Steele in Perfumer´s Apprentice



    Quote Originally Posted by Irina View Post
    It's been a while that I ordered, but they did sell small quantities (well about 1 oz =30 ml) and their minimum order was 100 euro.

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    I've just sent you a PM if you would like to experience some small samples to then know better what you wish to then buy in larger quantities. I do not have any aromachemicals though, only EOs and tinctures.

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    okie dokie!

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    Some samples on their way to help you get started. The seaweed tincture isn't really ready yet so I've left bits in to carry on infusing. It gives an idea anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverandco View Post
    Hi,

    i am building my first perfume organ and i am a little bit confused about what to buy and what not to buy.

    At the moment i have these materials:

    Osmanthus Abs.
    Tuberose Abs.
    Fir Abs.
    Tonka Bean Abs.
    Opopanax
    Labdanum
    Haiti Vetiver
    Styrax
    Evernia Prunastri (Oakmoss)
    Patchouly
    Clove Bud
    Tarragon
    Ginger
    Cedarwood Atlas
    Cedarwood Virginia
    Coriander
    Bergamote FCF
    Bergamote
    Sandalwood Mysore
    Lime FCF
    Ambroxan
    Sandalwood Australia


    I m very happy with these EO´s but i know isn´t enough to start.

    Any recommendations?

    Also looking for good supplier in Europe, but not so expensive.


    Any helps?


    THANKS TO EVERYONE

    Best regards from Madrid

    Oliver
    HI Oliver,
    I can see you´ve had very interesting collection to start with. Did you buy this in Europe? Can you please let me know, where did you get e.g. Fir abs., Tonka Bean Abs., Opopanax, Styrax, or Osmanthus Abs. ? I am using www.aqua-oleum.co.uk or www.nobilis.cz. Take care, thanks, Kate

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    Since you're in Spain Try some of the Local indigenous oils, like Spanish Lavender.

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