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  • Great - One of Creed's best new releases and I'm completely in love!

    60 43.48%
  • Good - It's definitely a good fragrance, but not spectacular. Would be nice if it were cheaper.

    54 39.13%
  • Disappointed - It's pretty run-of-the-mill and I expected more from this release (and from Creed).

    20 14.49%
  • Terrible - I do not think it smells good. I would never choose to wear this again.

    4 2.90%
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    My guess is that this could become the new entry point for a new generation younger guys to Creed in the same way as GIT was for some of us 20 years ago.
    Totally agreed. This is the step-up frag for the Fierce generation. A brilliant move on Creed's part.

    If Creed is the Apple of men's fragrance, as KMF once put it, Aventus is their iPad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPJNY View Post

    as for aventus - it is enjoyable as a recall when i sampled. i do have some issues of longevity even when i put 4 sprays on my chest. its a fresh frag so presumably i could put more but i am somewhat disappointed with that.
    There are at least 2 different batches of Aventus, each with different characteristics and strengths. You can tell if you've got the good batch by the opening "zingggggg" of the Pineapple note - it's sharp and prominent - "hey everybody, smell this, it's a tart pineapple! I've got more cowbell!". That batch lasts throughout the day. More than 2 sprays of that one and you'd have people complaining.

    There's another batch which is tepid in comparison and requires 2-3 times the applications, plus the opening is noticeably attenuated and rounded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Totally agreed. This is the step-up frag for the Fierce generation. A brilliant move on Creed's part.

    If Creed is the Apple of men's fragrance, as KMF once put it, Aventus is their iPad.
    LOL. Is Erwin going to be in a commercial debating his merits with Serge Lutens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    If Creed is the Apple of men's fragrance, as KMF once put it, Aventus is their iPad.
    Creed used to be the Apple... , but Aventus is more likely their I-PED, at iPad prices.

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    I finally, for sake of study, have bought 3 different lot numbers of AVENTUS... and I'm appalled that a fragrance which is obviously predominantly synthetic could have so much wild variation. Batch c4210e02 is a very weak version all around, but especially in the base. A4210e01 has a good balance between pineapple, currant (givaudan cassis), and the smokey/lyral/ambergris/moss.....but despite this good balance, the scent is still too plasticy and weak. I finally received a flacon of batch c42b10j01, which was noted here as a very strong batch, and while it does have a much stronger base, the base smells like 20% HIMALAYA and 80% AVENTUS....like they literally just poured some Himalaya into the batch...it's that distinct. And while strong, there is almost none of the fruity cassis/currant note...which always was a synthetic....so there's no excuse for this omission. I've smelled at least 3 other lot numbers as well, and i really haven't smelled a batch that I felt was comPelli g or impressive....and such wild variation....more so than Green Irish Tweed or the other Millesimes....I don't know why exactly, but Creed's lack of quality control can no longer be honestly attributed to variation in natural ingredients.....this is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DULLAH View Post
    I finally, for sake of study, have bought 3 different lot numbers of AVENTUS... and I'm appalled that a fragrance which is obviously predominantly synthetic could have so much wild variation. Batch c4210e02 is a very weak version all around, but especially in the base. A4210e01 has a good balance between pineapple, currant (givaudan cassis), and the smokey/lyral/ambergris/moss.....but despite this good balance, the scent is still too plasticy and weak. I finally received a flacon of batch c42b10j01, which was noted here as a very strong batch, and while it does have a much stronger base, the base smells like 20% HIMALAYA and 80% AVENTUS....like they literally just poured some Himalaya into the batch...it's that distinct. And while strong, there is almost none of the fruity cassis/currant note...which always was a synthetic....so there's no excuse for this omission. I've smelled at least 3 other lot numbers as well, and i really haven't smelled a batch that I felt was comPelli g or impressive....and such wild variation....more so than Green Irish Tweed or the other Millesimes....I don't know why exactly, but Creed's lack of quality control can no longer be honestly attributed to variation in natural ingredients.....this is ridiculous.
    You're the best, man. Thanks for letting me know it's not all in my mind. It demonstrates you can't buy the stuff unsniffed and expect a good batch. When it's good, it's very good; when it's bad, why bother.
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    I have C4210E01 which I got at Neiman Marcus as it came out and I believe that this is the one most have been complaining about the longevity, however the more I use it, the more I like the scent. Where did you get the C42B10J01 if you don't mind me asking?
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    The one I just got (4 oz) and am not happy with is C42B10K03. The one I am happy with (1 oz) is A4210E01 same as DULLAH's. Wish I would have known, I would have sprung for the 4 oz then. I just ordered another one from the boutique, let's see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DULLAH View Post
    I don't know why exactly, but Creed's lack of quality control can no longer be honestly attributed to variation in natural ingredients.....this is ridiculous.
    Ridiculous and unacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scentsitivity View Post
    Ridiculous and unacceptable.
    It is.

    They take the fragrance buying public for a bunch of mugs.

    If a car manufacturer has a fault, it recalls thousands of vehicles.

    If Creed screw up a batch, rather than respect their market they take the money and flip the middle finger.

    Ok so in a car manufacturer's case lives are at risk, but to me, if you are making a so-called quality product you have to, as the manufacturer of it, take ownership of your obligation to the people who fork out good money for your product.

    Creed, in my opinion are a joke. The sad thing is, the laugh they are having is at the public's expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HDS1963 View Post
    It is.

    They take the fragrance buying public for a bunch of mugs.

    If a car manufacturer has a fault, it recalls thousands of vehicles.

    If Creed screw up a batch, rather than respect their market they take the money and flip the middle finger.

    Ok so in a car manufacturer's case lives are at risk, but to me, if you are making a so-called quality product you have to, as the manufacturer of it, take ownership of your obligation to the people who fork out good money for your product.

    Creed, in my opinion are a joke. The sad thing is, the laugh they are having is at the public's expense.
    Assuming we are attributing this inconsistency to quality control issues only (which we can't be 100% sure of), this would imply that Creed really does compose/measure/hand-bottle the fragrances at their lab/workshop in France...are you willing to subscribe to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp View Post
    Assuming we are attributing this inconsistency to quality control issues only (which we can't be 100% sure of), this would imply that Creed really does compose/measure/hand-bottle the fragrances at their lab/workshop in France...are you willing to subscribe to this?
    Double Zed, it wouldn't prove anything of the kind. Come on. Are you trying to get a silver lining from a bad cloud? Are you trying to establish reality by supposition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DustB View Post
    Double Zed, it wouldn't prove anything of the kind. Come on. Are you trying to get a silver lining from a bad cloud? Are you trying to establish reality by supposition?
    Its a basic formal logic proof my brother and I am playing the devils advocate identifying the weakness in the logic structure here. The basic question is: who controls the quality/bottling of Creed fragrances? If its a big mega corp, I would assume it would be pretty consistent considering that a fragrance such as Curve has been pretty consistent over the years. On the other hand, hand bottled fragrances from small-time houses do vary in their quality/composition over time. Ofcourse the overly cynical would like to hear that not only are there zilch natural ingredients in Creeds, they are also bottled at mega-corps, PLUS they are so far down the totem pole there that they can't even match the consistency of Curve. An ideal scenario to jack off on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp View Post
    Its a basic formal logic proof my brother and I am playing the devils advocate identifying the weakness in the logic structure here. The basic question is: who controls the quality/bottling of Creed fragrances? If its a big mega corp, I would assume it would be pretty consistent considering that a fragrance such as Curve has been pretty consistent over the years. On the other hand, hand bottled fragrances from small-time houses do vary in their quality/composition over time. Ofcourse the overly cynical would like to hear that not only are there zilch natural ingredients in Creeds, they are also bottled at mega-corps, PLUS they are so far down the totem pole there that they can't even match the consistency of Curve. An ideal scenario to jack off on.
    Here's my friend Double Zed: "Got inconsistent product? What a benefit to the consumers!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DULLAH View Post
    I've smelled at least 3 other lot numbers as well, and i really haven't smelled a batch that I felt was comPelli g or impressive....and such wild variation....more so than Green Irish Tweed or the other Millesimes....I don't know why exactly, but Creed's lack of quality control can no longer be honestly attributed to variation in natural ingredients.....this is ridiculous.
    From what I understand, Millésime is defined as the best crops from a particular years harvest. In wine making, each years harvest can produce a slightly different grape depending on growing conditions. This can result in very little consistency from one vintage to another. Even though a winery may have a sterling reputation for producing a great wine, a change in these conditions can product an inferior vintage. Is the Millésime name used by Creed as an excuse for the inconsistency of each particular batch? It seems very easy to blame these issues on Mother Nature. It's no different then a great winery blaming the lack of rain for a less than perfect vintage. I accept the simple idea that a fragrance can have variations from one batch to another because of the natural materials used. These cavernous differences seem like something within Creeds abilities to control. If the product seems too different, don't release it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert G. View Post
    Addict, very well reasoned points. Obviously you're passionate and Creed devotee. These may be growing pains we're witnessing. I'm not impressed with Spice and Wood and Sublime Vanille. But so what? Let's wait and see what "the kid" will become?
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    It makes me think of 3 distinct possibilities:

    1. Creed, rather than disposing of alternate/unfinished/first-draft batches of AVENTUS, they figured releasing them and taking the money was prefferrable to them.

    2. Creed never chose a "final version" of AVENTUS prior to release....and is relying on customer feedback to make their decision for them.

    3. The quality control supervisor at Creed is purposefully sabotaging their new launches, and being handsomely compensated by the comp.

    And another extra-unlikely possibility:
    -creed is purposefully varying the batches, in an attempt to fool less savvy consumers into believing AVENTUS must be reliant on naturals.
    Quote Originally Posted by HDS1963 View Post
    If a car manufacturer has a fault, it recalls thousands of vehicles.

    If Creed screw up a batch, rather than respect their market they take the money and flip the middle finger.

    Ok so in a car manufacturer's case lives are at risk, but to me, if you are making a so-called quality product you have to, as the manufacturer of it, take ownership of your obligation to the people who fork out good money for your product.

    Creed, in my opinion are a joke. The sad thing is, the laugh they are having is at the public's expense.
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    4. They're just plain unaware of the significant variation between batches. "No time to sniff! Chop Chop! Pour the perfume into the flacons and make sure they'll need yellow rubber gloves to open the bottles. I hear the ship horn blowing right now, get them boxed and out the door!".
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    ^ Could be....

    Here's my variation on number 4 - where they are aware of the differences and are engaging in a sort of wilful self-deception. My guess is simply that the supply chain on multiple components is dicey, and they're playing games to keep up with unexpectedly high demand. Same thing with Windsor II. The benny-tip crowd was likely getting pushy after a bunch of internet yahoos on a place called Basenotes, including this one guy named DULLAH (), bought up all of this stuff that Creed had no real chance in hell of making again for 3 years. And Creed said "Yes we can!" (especially if one of those customers was in any way related to the current main Love in White lover! )

    I dunno. Sounds like supply and demand. And the moral to the story is buy early and buy often, 'cause Creed will oblige the demand, but not necessarily with identical product.

    Personally, as an Aventus lover, I think it's a tempest in a teapot. We're just a bunch of nervous nellie noses 'cuz we can actually smell the difference. Most people simply can't. I see bottle variation as a kind of authenticity, myself. I'll take 90% quality with 10% variation over 75% quality that's dependable. With quality being defined by MY nose. And I'm not going to read too much into variations my nose detects now versus a few weeks ago, because my nose changes. DULLAH is doing it right with side-by-side. But I know that I would take any of these batches. JMO.
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    I can't believe that people are actually excusing this shocking variation in batches.

    Guys, this is not a company producing cheap crap, they purport to be a quality fragrance house which seems incapable of getting their own products right - and then charges a ridiculous amount at point of sale for this shoddy workmanship!

    Be honest, if this were any other house they'd be shot down in flames on these forums.

    But no, because it's Creed, (all bow down at the very whisper of the name) somehow this is excusable.

    There are other houses that use natural ingredients but still manage to be able to produce consistent products.

    Sorry, I just don't understand why it seems that normally rational fragrance lovers here are prepared to excuse this just because it's Creed.
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    I checked my 2.5 oz bottle that I am happy with and the LOT reads C4210E01.

    I said it before and I say it again: this variations between batches in such a short time is not acceptable and should I ever get a significantly inferior bottle, it's quite possible that I won't ever buy anything from them again - and I'd try to let them know that. Knowing about those differences (and knowing that it's not just an illusion) already makes me feel very wary about future Creed purchases.
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    I think it is poor quality control, possibly bolstered by the belief that an ignorant public would not notice.

    And if these bottles are intended to be like wines with vintages and all, they should boldly display them on the front of the bottle, not convey the idea with cryptic codes that people cannot identify with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPJNY View Post
    he also indicated (which im sure is common knowledge here) that 3 new creeds are ready to go. 2 women and 1 man (Original Cologne i think it was called - supposed to be fresh but old school).
    Got any more info on this - like the notes involved and when we're likely to see the mens one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HDS1963 View Post
    I can't believe that people are actually excusing this shocking variation in batches.

    Guys, this is not a company producing cheap crap, they purport to be a quality fragrance house which seems incapable of getting their own products right - and then charges a ridiculous amount at point of sale for this shoddy workmanship!

    Be honest, if this were any other house they'd be shot down in flames on these forums.

    But no, because it's Creed, (all bow down at the very whisper of the name) somehow this is excusable.

    There are other houses that use natural ingredients but still manage to be able to produce consistent products.

    Sorry, I just don't understand why it seems that normally rational fragrance lovers here are prepared to excuse this just because it's Creed.
    I do agree with part of what you're saying. The PRODUCT is definitely getting a pass from most of us. If people are sitting on something that has decent longevity, or smells close to what they smelled when they made their purchase decision, they're cool with it. If not, they're POed enough to return.

    But I think the BEHAVIOR - whatever on earth the reason actually is, is not getting a pass. Witness all the hysteria, as zz calls it.

    Eventually, at the time of Creed's choosing, the explanation will come. It always does. Based on the fact that they went to a lot of trouble to generate the millesime concept earlier, I think it comes down to a practice which is acceptable in hand-crafted items and art. Ship your best effort with what's on hand. Screw reproducibility. And it makes sense to me. The reproducibility of items is a total modernism, and highly undesirable in many things. When I see modern reproducibility in native art, I run.

    I would imagine that a lot of smaller niche companies show similar variability, but we never notice it because they're not put under the electron microscope of so many online noses at one time. But Creed is basically attempting to quasi-mass-market quasi-hand-crafted stuff. Everybody wants it, and they want it now, so something's gotta give.

    If a change in Creed's behavior would mean no more Windsor I events, or no more Windsors of any batch, I'd say screw it - just keep doing what you're doing. And I'll bet a lot of others feel the same, and that's why Creed gets a pass.
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    for 280? let's see, all the Amouage scents are about the same, all the Frederic Malle's are cheaper, except Carnal Flower(which is 20 more), 6.8 oz bottle of Sycomore is 210, I don't get 280 for a mediocre, low sillage, run of the mill men's scent.

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    and don't have quality control issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclegod007 View Post
    totally agree, Amouage, Frederic Malle, le Labo, Chanel Exclusifs, are all light years better, and most cheaper. and don't have quality control issues.
    Did you just agree with yourself?

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    You are agreeing with yourself, musclegod007? Sounds healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasenmann View Post
    You are agreeing with yourself, musclegod007? Sounds healthy.
    LOL

    But he's definitely right - these other brands don't seem to have such variability. I would think somebody would have noticed by now - even just a little bit. It does lend credence (no pun intended) to the idea that Creed is relying on thinly sourced stuff, and that these other brands simply don't.

    But ya know what? Guess who's being talked about and who isn't? Creed - the troublemaking pop tart celebrity of fragrance manufacture!
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