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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Elly View Post
    I think Wellington is OK if you want to buy fragrance oils for soap or body care products, but I don't think they're the best source for natural materials.
    Which source would be the best if you want to make a prefessional quality perfume? I want to make something similar to Imperial with my own twist to it, and of course not have it cost as much.

    On the Neroli, the only real difference is that Wellington's is imported from India, and everywhere else that's expensive is imported from a country in Africa(Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, etc.). I'm guessing the rebellions/riots in the African countries is more than likely the reason for the cost; not so much the quality.

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    Here's a source Bruce that though not cheep is reasonable.
    http://www.anandaapothecary.com/arom...ntial-oil.html
    I looked at another source and it was off the chain expensive!!!
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    Yes I investagated one oil and it contained only 5 % Neroli.

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    Expensive oils are expensive for a reason. It is impossible to produce them cheaply. So if you can get them very cheaply there's something wrong, either they are artificial, or they are heavily diluted.
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    Real neroli is obtained from orange blossoms. It takes about 1000 kg of flowers to yield 1 kg of absolute. It's not like orange peel oil, where it only takes about 50 kg and is a by-product of the orange juice industry, or cedar, where it takes less than 25 kg of wood chips, that are by-products of the lumber industry. It takes about the same volume of flowers to make an absolute whether it comes from North Africa, India, or elsewhere. A lot of trees have to be dedicated to producing flowers, and a lot of flowers have to be picked and processed. You'll find that all flower absolutes are relatively expensive. If they're an order of magnitude cheaper from one source than others, you should be suspicious.

    If you want to make a cheaper version of a commercial perfume, why not use a synthetic neroli?
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    Do synthetics sustain as well as natural oils? I want something that will last 24+h on a shirt or jacket, like Imperial does.

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    Ok, I promised to add some of my sources once I got off the road. Had a very trying but successful weekend. We lost a very good friend in a tragic accident. The concert for Helping Hands children’s charities benefit we played for was a success though.
    Ok here is my growing suppliers list. If I have questions about one I will not add it.
    Essential Oils.
    http://www.healwithoil.com/Myrrh-Essential-Oil.html
    Above ~~ This company has every essential oil used or mentioned in The Bible as well as neat stories about each.

    http://www.anandaapothecary.com/essential-oils.html
    Above~~ This is one of my favorite companies so far. They cheerfully will answer your questions when you call them and will give great advice. They also offer wholesale.

    http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com...Essential+Oils
    Above ~~ Here is another great source. Most of my supplier sell wholesale and this company certifies their essential oils as pure unless otherwise noted.

    http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/
    Here is Mountain Rose Herbs again. I re-added it since they are a favorite.

    http://www.sunrosearomatics.com/cata...exd.asp?id=778
    Here’s one company that looks promising though I have not used them yet. I have used their information on each oil in my studies because the medical and descriptions seem accurate though they state not FDA certified. It states on their web sight that they use100% pure unadulterated essential oils. They look promising.

    http://www.silkyscents.com/essential_oils#Top
    Above~~ Here’s another great company with a lot of muscle. The reason I say that is their essential oil is backed by GS (Gas Chromatography) lab test and strict ISO. (international Standards Organization) regulations to insure the highest quality oils. That is the type company I like doing business with.

    Distilling
    http://www.walnutcreekmetamora.com/Stills.htm
    Above: Here is a company that makes distillers and steals! I recommend the copper instead of steel! You can distill your on oils or make your own alcohol several gallons at a time.. It will last a lifetime. It is legal in Texas with the proper license. Most states are.

    Lab supplies
    Below~~ Here’s a great source for equipment to set up a lab. Great prices too.
    volumetric flask are less expensive on one sight where as the Erlenmeyer flasks
    are less expansive on the other. Personally like CoCo Chanel I prefer the volumetric flask
    http://www.novatech-usa.com/Products...enmeyer-Flasks
    http://www.hometrainingtools.com/sea...umetric+flasks
    Hope this helps someone like kantofox who are looking for hard to find things.
    Most of these ship world wide I think.

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    Mistral, the UK’s principle supplier of Perfumer’s Alcohol to the amateur trade, now also stock Formulator’s Alcohol

    (and sadly, no they don’t pay me any commission!)
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    mm, this formulators alcohol contains isopropyl alcohol. i don't know why, but this stuff has a pretty strong acetone like odor.

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    Yes it does, and as I noted in the other sticky thread, you can indeed smell it in this alcohol blend. It isn’t very strong (I guess there isn’t much IPA in the blend) and it does burn off very quickly. Even so for many purposes other alcohol options will be preferable. The main advantage of this one (compared to PA) is it contains no IPM, for those worried about that, and it’s a little bit cheaper.
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    Has anyone ever used white lighting in their blends. If I can't get ethanol readily then this is the same thing for experimenting
    And is readily available around here. Or so I hear!!

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    this is just in hopes of getting more info, but, does any one have a source for Vanuatu sandal wood EO ? I normally get it from Eden Botanical, but I've noticed that a lot of the Eo's they carry are marked up at least 20% higher than most other retailers. Any leads would be appreciated.

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    For those who may not know Vanuatu is a small country in the South Pacific, recognised by the UN as an independent nation in 1980 when the joint administration of Britain and France came to an end. Among a few other major commercial interests they have a government controlled Sandalwood industry based on sustainable farming practices, mainly growing (and at the moment only producing) oil from Santalum austrocaledonicum. It’s good stuff and for those who worry about these things free from the moral difficulty of using a product derived from an endangered species and produced in unsustainable ways.

    I buy my Vanuatu Sandalwood from a couple of sources, one of which sells retail - Hermitage Oils. As it happens they have an online sale running at the moment, which means if you want a small amount it’s a good time and place to buy.
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    Thanks For the lead Chris.

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    I've been investigating suppliers and stumbled across a site called Floracopeia - has anyone had experience with them?
    Thanks!

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    Well I have never shopped with them and I may be a miserable old cynic, but I have to say I’m always a little suspicious when I take a look at the home page of a company I’ve never previously heard of and see first a great big banner ad saying
    ‘how to make a love potion’
    and secondly
    Floracopeia is the world's leader in high quality, pure essential oils and aroma-therapy products.
    Really? The world’s leader? By what measure and according to whose judgment?

    Then I checked a few essential oil prices and saw they were seriously over-priced, at which point I moved on!
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    I looked at the website too, and not only are the essential oils overpriced (as is usually the case with businesses of this type), the prices make no sense. 15 ml of Bergamot EO double the price of 15 ml of African Bluegrass EO? Something's wrong.
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    Perfect. Thanks guys. It's a site that I stumbled across, which is well polished so to speak with good marketing and packaging but all that doesn't matter when the most important thing is the quality and cost of what's inside those nicely labeled bottles.

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    Does anyone know a supplier for regular, garden variety mint EO (as opposed to spearmint/spicata, peppermint/piperita, wintergreen)? I've checked Liberty, New Directions, Eden Botanicals to no avail. I even found a few companies carrying chocolate mint, but no regular old mint. If not, does anyone know a supplier with a spearmint EO that smells like the actual leaves? The one I have really smells more like toothpaste. Thanks!

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    I’m not sure what you mean by ‘regular mint’: there are quite a lot of species of the genus Mentha but relatively few of them are made into essential oils - in most cases just Mentha piperita and Mentha spicata. However I do find that the mint absolute smells more like garden mint (Mentha sachalinensis) despite being made from peppermint, than any of the essential oils I’ve encountered so you might try that.
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    Thanks, Chris. It looks like Hermitage Oils has the absolute -- I think you've mentioned them in other threads. I hadn't been to their site before, but they look wonderful. I think I'm about to go down the rabbit hole and lose a few hours looking at all their products...

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    Easily done! One of the things I like about that site is all the detailed descriptions and statistics. Enjoy!
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    I'd like to add a bottle supplier to the list for people in the UK. They supply worldwide, but the UK permission to deal with small orders.
    Amazingly, a division of Pochet - the people who make bottles for Chanel. Dior, Givenchy... pretty much everyone - have bought a bottle printing company in Ealing, walking distance from my house! What are the odds?
    Their manufacturing plant is in France, and they take on orders like 2 million bottles for Justin Beiber, but if you're serious about manufacturing scent and need bottles in the 100s and 1000s, they're happy to talk to people like us. They keep a range of bottle that are permanently in stock, and not make to special order. The most expensive part is the lids. They are self-crimping, which means you get a nice professional look, and don't have to invest in a crimping machine.
    (Turns out that I've bought the same ones as Roja Dove; I hope he's not offended. He bought "off the shelf ones too".)
    You want to talk to Mark Loveday and go here for details (scroll the mouse over UK):
    http://www.verreries-pochet.fr/en/menu.php?id=6#
    There are contacts for the rest of the world too, but the UK is interested in finding and developing relationships with indie perfumers who look like they've got a promising future.
    And tell Mark I sent you. He's a nice man.

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    Hello, I bought some essential oils from edensgarden.com, the scents are great, but oils are way way too liquidy (all notes, all kinds of EOs). Does anyone know if edensgarden quality on oils? They do advertise it as uncut, unadulterated and pure etc. etc.
    I have also purchased Natures Alchemy (most of those had a tint of glycerin....

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    Has anyone here tried http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com? I'm unsure if it ships internationally, and it has a minimum purchase requirement of $100 so only for the serious buyers, but I recently purchased some essentials and C02's from them and they're all quite beautiful. Each bottle is labeled with the distillation date, which I appreciate; the pages contain plenty of information on the source of the oil as far as plant part, country of origin, etc., and prices are reasonable despite the min. purchase requirement. I couldn't find any MSDS's readily available, but I did a search and it sounds like you can request them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expressivelytess View Post
    Has anyone here tried http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com? I'm unsure if it ships internationally, and it has a minimum purchase requirement of $100 so only for the serious buyers, but I recently purchased some essentials and C02's from them and they're all quite beautiful. Each bottle is labeled with the distillation date, which I appreciate; the pages contain plenty of information on the source of the oil as far as plant part, country of origin, etc., and prices are reasonable despite the min. purchase requirement. I couldn't find any MSDS's readily available, but I did a search and it sounds like you can request them.
    White Lotus do indeed ship internationally and they have some wonderful things plus they are knowledgeable people too. They don’t normally supply MSDS data however.
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    Anyone have any feedback on http://www.creatingperfume.com/ ?

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    Yes, I have used them several times and they have been top notch. Relyable and friendly. They have some interesting and rare stuff (e.g. Blue lotus). Also, their co2 ambrette seed is really something special IMO.

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    Oops in my above I am referring to white lotus, NOT creating perfume.com

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    For those in Europe, and more particularly in France, I found an interesting supplier I don't think has been mentioned before (in my desperate search for an ethanol supplier in France). Www.proxisante.com

    They have ethyl alcohol 96 and perfumers alcohol, both extremely hard to get in France unless you have a company and a license, and they also have some interesting things, notably castoruem absolute and africa stone absolute. I just recieved my castoreum abs, something I had never had before, and I am absolutely enamored.

    They shipped quickly and everything was in order.

    Website only in French, but school French should do, or a google tranlstation should make it fairly easy for those non-francophones.

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    I'm a n00b here. I've been voraciously reading as many threads as I can to become as knowledgable as I can on the subject of natural perfumes.
    I'm getting ready to "open the lab" and try my hand at formulating... to that end I have researched suppliers, and the scent notes that I believe will be a fit for these experiments and they are enroute to me as I type, a number of them are among the priciest of EO's and C02's out there so I want to be sure I handle them correctly to avoid any costly mistakes... I will gladly "waste" in experimenting, but would hate to have waste due to a handling error. Most of my EO and CO2 will are coming from Eden's Botanical and a few from Liberty Natural
    One question lingers and I can't seem to find answered anywhere in the forums - once I have these oils. Do I need to dilute them in a carrier oil (jojoba or f. coconut) before I begin formulating. I noticed that Eden's a number of their products with a !05 carrier - I opted to purchase in their purest form.

    Then... once they are diluted what math do I use to reach the standard perfume requirements? Surely if I use 20% pure EO or C02's the fragrance will be far too strong.
    "For an Eau de toilette, you would use about 10% oils or slightly less.
    For Eau de parfum it would be closer to 20% - 80% alcohol"

    Thank you - in advance for any expert input! I've been finding this forum BEYOND helpful.

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    Hi PureNaturalDiva,
    I'm in the same position as you are, waiting for a shipment from Liberty Natural...2 days and no reply back yet.
    Anyways, as a less-than-beginner, this is obviously not advice from any expert, but the regulars have two ways of diluting the essential oils for mixing a fragrance:

    1. Dilute essential/absolute oils to 10% in ethanol before mixing (this is the preferred method because it leads to less waste)

    2. Use pure oil, measured out in drops, and then add ethanol to dilute it to 10%. (This can work, apparently, but is unfavorable)

    You can read posts about this from the experts mostly on the Primer 1.0 thread, that's where I have found the most information.
    As for the jojoba or coconut oil, that is unnecessary for making the fragrance. It might actually get in the way of the EO and AO dissolving in the ethanol.

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