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  1. #61

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    Using the most expensive materials to start with doesn't seem like the most cost-effective way to learn perfumery. You WILL make some mistakes along the way, so better to make them with inexpensive materials, which can also be very nice if used to good effect.

    Do NOT dilute your essential oils or absolutes with oil. Jojoba (actually a wax) and some other oils will not mix with alcohol. Many oils go rancid in a relatively short period of time. If your absolutes are thick or solid, you can dilute them with 95% ethanol to make them "pourable". Otherwise, there's no need to dilute anything when you make your concentrate. The dilution comes later when you dilute to the desired strength (parfum, EdP, EdT, etc.).

    You might want to check out the Yahoo Perfume Making Group. They have lots of good instructional files that you would probably find helpful.
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    Abdullah,
    We have been reading the same threads!
    Wouldn't using that 10-1 dilution with alcohol make it more difficult to smell... you'd have to wait for the alcohol smell to dissipate before you could smell the EO/C02.
    I also thought I had read somewhere that you could take your 10% oil dilution and then use your ethanol to create your perfume. I'm paying $20-30 for 1/16 of an oz for some of the rarer absolutes and EO's. So I want to be Extra careful.

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    Thank you Doc Elly!
    I will check out the yahoo forum. I realize the pricier oils might not be the most practical... but I am working towards a very specific goal... and spending time working with materials that I won't use at the end of this process doesn't work for what I'm trying to accomplish... does that make sense?
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    PNDiva,
    Like Doc Elly said, I don't recommend practicing with expensive things from the get-go either. I just mean this with regard to practicing the physical part of mixing, not about what oils go well together. Leave those expensive absolutes and EOs for a week or two until you have mixed and diluted some of the more affordable oils. Just some frugal advice.
    If you are absolutely in a rush, then at least start your handling and mixing with the cheaper ingredients before you move on to the more expensive ones.

    Sidenote: it would be 9 parts alcohol to 1 part fragrance oil, not 10-1. I imagine that is just a thought typo on your part, though.
    And I don't think that the alcohol would get much in the way of letting you smell the fragrance. Most EdTs are at that concentration and they hardly smell of alcohol.

    What concentration do you want your final product to be? Ideally, that is the concentration that you want to dilute your ingredients to. But you would not want to add pure alcohol after you have diluted it. That would throw off some of the calculations.

    As for the actual dilutions...I feel like all those math classes should have resulted in better mixing measurement skills for me, but I am really not good at visualizing this stuff. I recommend using an Excel spreadsheet if you can. If you are going for a 10% EdT in your end result, I think that diluting all the ingredients to 10% would be ideal. Once you decide on an idea for a recipe, you can figure out based on the concentrations that you want.
    If all your ingredients are prediluted to 10%, then the alcohol content of the mix result will always be 90% as long as you only use those oils that are at 10% dilution. So in effect, you would only have to worry about the proportions of oils/absolutes with regard to each other.

    We can start a math thread if you want.
    Hopefully, some of the experts can chime in with some more recommendations of what to do.
    Remember that there is no shortcut to experience, and no substitute, so it's best to approach something patiently and thoughtfully.


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    Last edited by bluesaffron; 26th August 2012 at 07:48 AM.

  4. #64

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    Sorry to pick up on this so late, I think most of the important points have already been covered but I will just reiterate a couple of them:

    I always do experimental blending using most materials diluted to 10% in ethanol by weight. Some materials such as most of the aliphatic aldehydes, vanilla, calone and violet leaf absolute I keep at 1% because they are so easy to overdose otherwise. Fewer still are routinely kept at 0.1% - examples here are synthetic civet, trans-2-cis-6-nonadienal and ethyl vanillin as they are even more powerful.

    Details of how I go about blending, and a downloadable spreadsheet to help with the infernal maths, are on my blog in a post called A method for blending.

    Whatever you do don't use a carrier oil like almond or jojoba to dilute your oils as these don't dissolve in ethanol and they go off - almond oil in as little as 6 months. Those who like to make oil-based fragrances normally dilute in the same was as I've described above but using fractionated coconut oil (aka capric/caprylic triglyceride) rather than ethanol: this is a good choice as it does not go rancid and is thin enough to be easy to work with. However if you want to work in ethanol it's no use because it does not dissolve in it. So you need to choose one or the other or else keep everything diluted in both so that you can work with both media.

    1 part material to 9 parts ethanol = 10% solution, but if you do that by drops you will have diluted by volume. That does not yield the same results as doing it by weight which is the way most of the industry works, the way any pre-diluted materials you buy will have been diluted and most important it is the way all the regulations are framed. Again I've gone into more detail and recommended criteria for buying scales on my blog under Weight or volume?

    I find a 10% solution is easier to appreciate and makes your resulting blend easier to evaluate, than using the materials neat. Never rely on smelling anything direct from the bottle: use smelling strips. Many materials are very misleading if you sniff at the bottle (and quite a few are thoroughly unpleasant when neat too).
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  5. #65

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    I thought I would throw this up for any fellow Canadians:

    saffireblue.ca

    They carry a really decent array of supplies, including perfumer's alcohol (finally, a Canadian source), essential oils, test strips, sample vials, etc. I was happy with everything I ordered. Shipping was decent ($22) for my larger shipments, which included three boxes. Good customer service.

    HTH

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    I am preparing to do some work in East Africa. Can anyone suggest a supplier who would ship there without too much cost? How about a reputable co in India that doesn't expect you to order in 45 gallon drum quantities?

  7. #67

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irina View Post

    http://www.hekserij.nl/en/main.htm

    They are in Netherlands, Jan (the owner) is very knowledgeable, very good prices, they ship internationally and there is no minimum order.
    Please note that the link above is/will be changed in the next few days to: http://www.hexapus.nl/en/main.htm

    Same people (including me ), but the English part of our site moves, is already available.

  8. #68

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    Okay, thanks. I have ordered once already (to UK) and was very happy with the service.

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    Hekserij changed URL, update your bookmarks! http://www.hexapus.nl/en/main.htm
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    Creating perfume www.creatingperfume.com (awesome website)
    save on scents www.saveonscents.com
    Wellington fragrance Www.wellingtonfragrance.com
    sunburst bottles www.sunburst.com
    the perfumery www.theperfumery.com (500 minimum for first new members)
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  11. #71

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    Does anyone know a reliable supplier for original indian Attars in Europe or Uk with shipping to Germany ?
    I would like to order Attars from White Lotus Aromatics but im not sure if they sell to privately ( I dont have a trade ).

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    i'd like to add this supplier in Australia for lab equipment. I have not ordered from them yet so can't comment on service etc. they cater for basic lab equipment for institutional and public use and are a lot more affordable than other suppliers of lab equipment catering to the public, in Australia. Their shipping cost is high ( owing to the fragile nature of the items) but the price per unit makes up for that. Lots on interesting and useful items for the perfumer, flasks, pipettes, organic chemistry sets, scales etc....

    http://www.wiltronics.com.au/index.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosaz View Post
    Hello, I bought some essential oils from edensgarden.com, the scents are great, but oils are way way too liquidy (all notes, all kinds of EOs). Does anyone know if edensgarden quality on oils? They do advertise it as uncut, unadulterated and pure etc. etc.
    I don't know if it's too late to be posting on this forum, but I too was wondering about EdensGarden.com oils. The reason being (in my case) that when I was a beginning collector of EO's, I purchased no less than 42 essentials from their company, and now I'm very much concerned that I wasted my money. They've worked out well in my soaps, as their liquidiness makes them easier than easy to use, but I'm worried that I'm not using the real deal, which would mean that I'm not being true to using "Pure & Natural" ingredients in my products.
    Anyone know about this company?

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    I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask this, but does anyone know what happened to SoapMoldSuperstore.com? I use to purchase soap molds from that site and it's disappeared since I was last there; also the email address of the owner doesn't work.
    If that site ever reappears, it's one I'd recommend for soap molds, particularly decorative ones such as zodiac, chakra and their "Asian-themed" molds, as well as "Prehistoric" molds including Kokopelli. They have a good, basic look to them that doesn't involve too much detail work, and most of them also fit well in the palm of one's hand so no worries about the soap bar slipping around.
    Thanks to anyone who might be able to tell me what's going on with them, or where I should be asking.

  14. #74

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    I thought it would be worthwhile to report an unfortunate experience with Blue Lotus Export Co. Ltd., located in Thailand. I have some of their blue lotus absolute, purchased a few years ago, and decided to order more and use it in a limited edition natural fragrance. I placed an order at the end of August, 2012, but have never received the items I ordered. I have attempted to contact the company numerous times to find out if they had shipped my package, but never received a response. I strongly advise against trying to do business with this company.
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    http://www.perfumersworld.net/
    Have had excellent service and products from them. Great shipping. A very informative site.

    An American source I ordered from, is still,pending? Sent email requesting information with regards to shipping overseas and use of Flat rate shipping. NO response.

    Went around that blockade and regret wasting my American friends time in doing so and my money, as it was still not shipped a week later. It's now been 3 weeks, and in that time everything else I ordered has long since arrived from farther away than the USA and not FedEx.

    Fortunately there are better alternatives. i.e. the one listed above.

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    I have emailed perfumersworld a few times with some queries, but the only time that they answer me is when I actually want to make an order. They ignore all other messages which I find a little rude.

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    It's rude to be sure, but had same experience from several American sites as well. I did finally receive the products via my friend. No complaints, but will not order there again. Perfumersworld has all the information required and then some, not much that I need clarification on. Better prices and cheap shipping. Excellent products.

    I had asked re: flat rate shipping overseas. Several times. No response. Was a relatively large order I suppose, or not. Over $200.00 US. Since then, perfumersworld has received far more from me.

    For bottles, this company http://www.nematinternational.com/products/bottles/empty_perfume_bottles_atomizers_packaging_accessor ies.php has been lovely to deal with. We had a SNAFU in the process, resolved it and the shipping is excellent and the prices are great. They are willing to work with you to maximize flat rate shipping, so your box is full.

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    It's interesting how we each evaluate a supplier or potential supplier.

    In my case, some years ago now, I sent an enquiry to Perfumersworld and was ignored so I never placed an order and I still have not done so: since I can buy direct from main distributors now it's unlikely I ever will. When the opportunity arose to attend one of their training courses in London I wasn't tempted by that either, for the same reason. I dislike giving my money to someone whose only interest is in parting me from it.

    Perfumer's Apprentice and De Hekserij by contrast have always responded to every communication from me and I've ordered a lot of things from both of them - and recommended many others to do so on this forum and elsewhere.

    There is a clear lesson there for any supplier, which when I'm dealing with potential customers of my own, I always try to keep in mind: customers appreciate having their questions answered and are more likely to spend their hard-earned money on your products if you are nice to them - not exactly rocket-science is it?

    Nemat I agree completely are lovely people to do business with: when something goes wrong they fix it, when you need help they answer and they do their best to ensure that what you are buying reaches you intact and as cheaply as possible and is suitable for your needs. I've had phone calls from them before now to check that what I was about to buy was the right thing. If only they were within the EU (and I therefore didn't have to deal with Customs clearance and charges) I would do even more business with them.
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    There is a supplier who I have been using as of late... EXOTICFRAGRANCES.COM

    you can get 1000 sample vials for $50 shipped
    A braod range of glass perfume bottles, roll-ons, plastic atomizers, everything! Shipping is steep, but still this place is far chearper than anyone else even after the shipping is factored in.

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    Is there a particularly good source for 2 to 5 ml plastic vials with atomizers? ...in the US?
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    I noticed some criticism regarding Floracopeia which may be warranted, but I've bought a couple of their products from a brick & mortar store and was satisfied. Yes, their product is outrageously expensive so I won't use them often. Thus far I've ordered from: White Lotus, Enfleurage, Eden, and Aftelier. Good service and quality products from all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conni HD View Post
    Does anyone know a reliable supplier for original indian Attars in Europe or Uk with shipping to Germany ?
    I would like to order Attars from White Lotus Aromatics but im not sure if they sell to privately ( I dont have a trade ).
    Don't know if your query was ever answered, but White Lotus does require a minimum order of $100.00. I am not representing a trade, just a hobbyist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conni HD View Post
    Does anyone know a reliable supplier for original indian Attars in Europe or Uk with shipping to Germany ?
    I would like to order Attars from White Lotus Aromatics but im not sure if they sell to privately ( I dont have a trade ).
    Don't know if your query was ever answered, but White Lotus does require a minimum order of $100.00. I am not representing a trade, just a hobbyist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    Is there a particularly good source for 2 to 5 ml plastic vials with atomizers? ...in the US?
    http://www.sunburstbottle.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshell View Post
    Thanks! That looks like a great source for bottles, but I'm not seeing plastic vials with atomizers smaller than 8ml.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bshell View Post
    Thanks! That looks like a great source for bottles, but I'm not seeing plastic vials with atomizers smaller than 8ml.
    "Follow your nose. It always knows." -- Toucan Sam

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    Hello,

    I was about to place an order from Perfumer's Apprentice, but I am based in the UK and was concerned about custom fees. Does anyone have experience about custom charges for an order of around $100?

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    Hi all,

    Don't forget that all of the suppliers listed in this thread as well as many others can be searched through from a single location using the Perfumer's Search Page here...
    http://perfumersearch.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oveis View Post
    Hello,

    I was about to place an order from Perfumer's Apprentice, but I am based in the UK and was concerned about custom fees. Does anyone have experience about custom charges for an order of around $100?
    Generally customs will charge you 20% of the total value of your order, including shipping (that's VAT on import essentially). For perfumery materials there shouldn't be any Duty to add to that but in practice I've found that sometimes there is another charge added for about a further 5-10% though that's ususally for orders containing bottles or something else other than just aroma chemicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Bartlett View Post
    Generally customs will charge you 20% of the total value of your order, including shipping (that's VAT on import essentially). For perfumery materials there shouldn't be any Duty to add to that but in practice I've found that sometimes there is another charge added for about a further 5-10% though that's ususally for orders containing bottles or something else other than just aroma chemicals.
    Thanks Chris.

    Through your 'generally' I take UK customs are as dodgy and unpredictable as their Italian homologue . In Italy, there's a always a general rule that Customs officers regularly tend to overlook, and you never know how much you are actually going to pay!

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    It isn't totally random, but it certainly isn't predictable either I always allow for a bit extra when I'm comparing prices just in case: 30% on top of the total is a fairly safe assumption. I must say trading outside the EU really makes you appreciate the value of the EU - it's so much easier to do business.
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    Has anyone else had issues with best bottles' bulb atomizers? I've seen even larger fragrance companies having issues with these in general when they have thicker ingredients (like honey).

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