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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambolt View Post
    Has anyone else had issues with best bottles' bulb atomizers? I've seen even larger fragrance companies having issues with these in general when they have thicker ingredients (like honey).
    When I first started out, I tried using these bulb atomizers for some of my products, but quickly discovered that a certain percentage of them malfunctioned even when using standard ingredients. It wasn't that they got plugged, it was simply that the spray mechanism was faulty. I don't think this problem was specific to Best Bottles, but rather a general problem with this type of design. I would definitely avoid bulb atomizers of all types, from all sources.

    Someone else mentioned Exotic Fragrances as a cheap source for bottles. Yes, they're cheap, but you get what you pay for. Their 5-ml spray bottles with the metal casings are the cheapest of the cheap from China, and look it. A certain percentage of the spray mechanisms don't work. Their glass bottles are fine, but the spray mechanisms are very cheaply made. I've gone back to using Best Bottles/Nemat as my source for bottles. They cost more, but the bottles look solid and I can be pretty sure that the spray mechanisms will function correctly and reliably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Elly View Post
    When I first started out, I tried using these bulb atomizers for some of my products, but quickly discovered that a certain percentage of them malfunctioned even when using standard ingredients. It wasn't that they got plugged, it was simply that the spray mechanism was faulty. I don't think this problem was specific to Best Bottles, but rather a general problem with this type of design. I would definitely avoid bulb atomizers of all types, from all sources.

    Someone else mentioned Exotic Fragrances as a cheap source for bottles. Yes, they're cheap, but you get what you pay for. Their 5-ml spray bottles with the metal casings are the cheapest of the cheap from China, and look it. A certain percentage of the spray mechanisms don't work. Their glass bottles are fine, but the spray mechanisms are very cheaply made. I've gone back to using Best Bottles/Nemat as my source for bottles. They cost more, but the bottles look solid and I can be pretty sure that the spray mechanisms will function correctly and reliably.
    Thank you Doc Elly! Best bottles is great and the are only 45 minutes away from me so I can pick up my bottles and save on shipping. The trouble is the cost. My most expensive fragrance to manufactor is my rose scent due to the cost of rose absolute and rose oil. To make 100 ml cost me about $ 15.00. The packaging however cost me about $17.00. I am trying to keep my production cost down because I am not comfortable charging $ 100.00 plus per bottle.
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    Has anybody bought from this company?

    http://www.bonnymans.co.uk/products/shopfront.php

    Their prices for perfumers alcohol, DPG and IPM seem slightly cheaper than Mistral Chemicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakster007 View Post
    Has anybody bought from this company?

    http://www.bonnymans.co.uk/products/shopfront.php

    Their prices for perfumers alcohol, DPG and IPM seem slightly cheaper than Mistral Chemicals.
    I can't remember for sure, but I think I did order from them a few years ago, maybe via their ebay store. But I know a few soapmakers use them for ingredients like NaOH, so I wouldn't have any worries about doing the same. If they're offering the best price for perfumer's alcohol, I'll certainly get from them next time I buy it!

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    Big discovery: never use those green rubber test tube stoppers, they wreck the smell of the perfume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarekhye View Post
    Thank you Doc Elly! Best bottles is great and the are only 45 minutes away from me so I can pick up my bottles and save on shipping. The trouble is the cost. My most expensive fragrance to manufactor is my rose scent due to the cost of rose absolute and rose oil. To make 100 ml cost me about $ 15.00. The packaging however cost me about $17.00. I am trying to keep my production cost down because I am not comfortable charging $ 100.00 plus per bottle.
    Provided that your product is good, and it takes $15 to make 100ml of your product without packaging, and you are using packaging that costs as you state, I would submit that you are not really making any money, and that your business model will not allow you to continue in business. I think that $100 for 100ml is too cheap, considering your component costs.
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    U.K. LONDON BASED SUPPLIER
    http://www.feeloud.com/index.php?route=common/home

    London seller of agarwood oils, etc., personally happy with my purchases, further info. on U.K. Shopping thread.

    Some of Taha's oils are sold here (http://www.agaraura.com/), plus website owner's custom distillations.
    These will be found in the 'First Class' sections.

    Will deliver locally, depending on order, various options available.
    http://www.feeloud.com/


    No affiliation, just think it might be helpful.
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    U.K. LONDON BASED SUPPLIER
    London seller of agarwood oils, etc., personally happy with my purchases, further info. on U.K. Shopping thread.
    Will deliver locally, depending on order, various options available.
    http://www.feeloud.com/


    No affiliation, just think it might be helpful.
    Looks good, thanks for sharing! What did you purchase?
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    Irina - Tried Thai Garden, Al Musk, Saudia & Shams al Doha - some were samples but quickly purchased since sampling!

    Al Musk was lovely, bit cinnamon at first, Saudia is really nice.

    Thai more for chaps, possibly, but like it, still on my jacket from yesterday, which was really nice this morning! It was very unusual & without the 'generic' aspect common to many 'Mid -East' oils - but then it isn't!

    Obviously, the website is catering to a variety of tastes.

    Will check out the oudhs next month and bow to the superior knowledge of others members on these, although I've bought a few oudhs & know which I like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Irina - Tried Thai Garden, Al Musk, Saudia & Shams al Doha - some were samples but quickly purchased since sampling!

    Al Musk was lovely, bit cinnamon at first, Saudia is really nice.

    Thai more for chaps, possibly, but like it, still on my jacket from yesterday, which was really nice this morning! It was very unusual & without the 'generic' aspect common to many 'Mid -East' oils - but then it isn't!

    Obviously, the website is catering to a variety of tastes.

    Will check out the oudhs next month and bow to the superior knowledge of others members on these, although I've bought a few oudhs & know which I like.
    Thank you for sharing!
    I tend to don't buy mixtures any more and sampling oud is so expensive... So how do you know if something is genuine aside from reviews? My short experience with GC/MS analysis, sensory evaluation and adulteration research, made me distrust the trade of naturals A LOT.
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    I personally bow to @sultanpasha's superior (and extensive) knowledge, my choice of course - and my dogs can spot fake a mile off (those with vivid imaginations are welcome to picture an elderly member being mobbed by thieving Samoyeds who are vying to try genuine oudh)
    They totally ignore fake & their noses are better than mine.
    I agree that it's a minefield and have personally experienced much rubbish & adulterated/diluted oil.

    If the consensus is to remove the supplier, then please do so, but in the U.K. we are having/may continue to have problems of access, so I thought that it might be useful & following your suggestion after originally posting in the Shopping guide, included it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    Provided that your product is good, and it takes $15 to make 100ml of your product without packaging, and you are using packaging that costs as you state, I would submit that you are not really making any money, and that your business model will not allow you to continue in business. I think that $100 for 100ml is too cheap, considering your component costs.
    i am so curious about this...pkiler what would be then good business model, that can finance itself longterm,...if one charges 100 usd how much should be the max cost of materiasl used for it total?.....i suppose those who buy big bottle wont come back for the same scent for at least 2 years...

    for me as a consumer 15 usd for ingredients...and then 15usd for bottle and i pay 100 usd for that seems like fair deal lol...but bottle is the same price as juice....
    is that why Lush produced such cheap bottles for their new scents??..but they cost for 100ml as much as 200 usd.....

    thanks a lot! talking about numbers makes me get the idea much quicker about perfume business in general

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    I and my dogs can spot fake a mile off (those with vivid imaginations are welcome to picture an elderly member being mobbed by thieving Samoyeds who are vying to try genuine oudh)
    They totally ignore fake & their noses are better than mine.
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    hahaha this is soo good!!! how come the dogs know the difference? do they love any other of your perfumes or just oudhs?
    what do they think about new Homage haha...does it have any real oudh anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    I personally bow to @sultanpasha's superior (and extensive) knowledge, my choice of course - and my dogs can spot fake a mile off (those with vivid imaginations are welcome to picture an elderly member being mobbed by thieving Samoyeds who are vying to try genuine oudh)
    They totally ignore fake & their noses are better than mine.
    I agree that it's a minefield and have personally experienced much rubbish & adulterated/diluted oil.

    If the consensus is to remove the supplier, then please do so, but in the U.K. we are having/may continue to have problems of access, so I thought that it might be useful & following your suggestion after originally posting in the Shopping guide, included it here.
    It is totally legitimate to add your and any suppliers here and everyone is grateful for sharing experiences, so thank you again!

    Your tale about the dogs does make me smile The thing is even dogs can be fooled, I mean there are real hunters-scents developed to fool animals

    Who is @sultanpasha? I have to admit I am a member of oudh group here on BN but I got totally lost in the 1000s of posts

    So please don't take my remark to heart as harsh, I am genuinely interested and grateful for any shared info!!!

    Ivana: I made a separate thread for your questions as this thread is about DIY suppliers:
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/328...indie-perfumes
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    Hi Irina!
    Sorry to be sharp earlier (not at my best at breakfast time!).

    I actually stumbled across Adam myself & only found that sultanpasha knew his oils later.

    I think that what one member may like, another may not - just as well as there would be no market otherwise!

    And Adam's oils are genuinely to my personal taste - and he's trying to offer a wide variety of oils (including small custom agarwood distillations & Taha's oils) in a difficult climate here, with what I feel to be a refreshing approach.

    It's obviously up to each individual from whom they buy, and in the U.K. at present the choice is diminishing as importing (as individuals) from overseas as we used to is currently a costly & unreliable process.

    I can't prove that some are pure any more than anyone else can prove, without expensive testing, that they are not.
    But I am happy to be guided to the different parts of the website & to read the thoughtful descriptions & make up my own mind what to buy. And if I'm happy with my purchases, pass on the info.
    I do not recommend a supplier lightly.

    I don't know why my dogs zone in on oudh, they only become excited by the most 'oudhy' mukhallats.

    Ivana - Homage has never been their favourite as it has too many other ingredients, Shomoukh, Molook - they liked, old white boxes

    They don't react to patchouli, rose or any other EO/absolutes in the same way, even ambergris doesn't interest them.
    Maybe we could train some oudh hounds? They wouldn't be Samoyeds 'though - too independent
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    Hi: I want to introduce a new supplier Ancient Ways Botanicals www.ancientwaysbotanicals.com/product-category/essential-oil/
    We offer pure, high quality essential oils, absolutes, CO2s along with carrier oils, bottles etc. We have many organic and wildcrafted oils and pride ourselves on excellent customer service. Stop by and have a look!

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    Hey Smellies!

    This is my first post

    Taking into account that i live in the UK I would like to ask a DIY fragrance related question. I am totally a newbie when it comes to DIY fragrance and would like to know where can i buy a extensive kit so that i can start experimenting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonnyAndChair View Post
    Hey Smellies!

    This is my first post

    Taking into account that i live in the UK I would like to ask a DIY fragrance related question. I am totally a newbie when it comes to DIY fragrance and would like to know where can i buy a extensive kit so that i can start experimenting?
    Hi & a belated welcome
    There are various places selling kits, such as this one:-
    http://pellwall-perfumes.blogspot.co.uk/

    If you are looking for starter kits of oils, please check back.
    There are different sorts of starter kits & some may be 'Fragrance Oils' - not pure essential oils, but o.k. for soaps, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSavingMom View Post
    oooo soo great,, i can see it now ,, me in the kitchen kooking up some home made scents,,hihihihihi.. this comes in soo handy , what do you know ..im learning alot here.. just love it..
    Welcome too - there's loads of info. here - we're lucky to have so many clever sorts sharing with us.

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    I have three suppliers I like in France (they mostly sell naturals):
    - Néroliane (Albert Vieille): essential oils, absolutes, various perfumes, resins
    - Proxisante : essential oils, absolutes, various perfumes, resins, castoreum, some labdanum specialties
    - Quosentys : essential oils, absolutes, extracts, bases,

    For Corsican essential oils (immortelle, romarin verbénone, lavender etc.)
    - - Astratella
    - Vitalba

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    I have been looking for the right place to purchase incense that would ship international and thank you for sharing the Scents of Earth website. Your post is very useful. I would also like to add kobashi.com.uk. They have great aroma oils and are very much organic.
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    another site see www.profumo.it/perfume/home_english.htm

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    www.essentially-me.co.uk/ site related to www.aqua-oleum.co.uk/
    Last edited by BelleBeryl; 5th May 2013 at 08:28 PM.

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    As an update to this thread to include various known suppliers is long overdue the original pages here have been properly saved off-site pending further suggestions/discussion.

    Suppliers unknown to members will not be included in the main opening post without consent & further consideration.

    Any suggestions for additions from existing members will be most welcome & helpful.

    Thanks for the patience!
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    To Ipp: one thing that would be handy on this thread, or within Basenote's DIY section, would be some way of indicating the quality of oils and other raw ingredients available from the many suppliers mentioned. Also the provenance--exactly where each item was obtained, and by which exact method was it extracted or synthesized.

    Quality: this would best be informed by actual PDFs of the GC/MS (Gas Chromatograph and Mass Spectrometer) as well as HPLC (High Pressure Liquid Chromatography) results **WITH** interpretations by experts. The goal here is definitive proof of non-adulteration. And freshness.

    Provenance: what farm or farms did the original plant material come from, how was it processed, was it collected in one place and processed in another? How many different middlemen? How many years old is it? Again the idea is to get some idea of the purity and care that products have received.

    Unfortunately much of this information is held in secret for various business reasons. This is a great handicap to DIY perfumer's. If there was some reliable way to set up a kind of emergent collective crowd-sourced database of known "proven" oils and raw ingredients and their suppliers, this would be a huge service and a great benefit to DIY perfumers.

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    Default Re: DIY Suppliers List ------Editing in progress 11/2013

    The reason for limiting the main post to known suppliers is so that people have a guide.

    Your suggestions are fascinating, bshell but are probably beyond the scope of this particular thread.
    Also, some materials are going to vary a lot over time.

    I'm just intending to make using the thread for info. a bit easier - anything further is up to the active members here to initiate.
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    Default Re: DIY Suppliers List ------Editing in progress 11/2013

    Please refer to post #1 of this thread for the updated list - editing still in progress pending the return of Huddlervile data.
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    Irina, reincke-fichtner.de based in Germany while featuring an impressive list of aromachemicals would only sell to companies and in big quantities not for DIY.

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    http://www.omikron-online.de/

    Very nice people to talk to, said they will be working on acquiring more supplies. Any input is welcome to them, they have a new owner since last year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    Provided that your product is good, and it takes $15 to make 100ml of your product without packaging, and you are using packaging that costs as you state, I would submit that you are not really making any money, and that your business model will not allow you to continue in business. I think that $100 for 100ml is too cheap, considering your component costs.
    Thank you Paul, I have down down graded the concentration from an extrait to an edp concentration and reformulated my base which in turn afforded me the ability to bring my cost down. Making perfume as a hobby and making perfume as a business are two very different things, it took me a while to learn that!

    I'm also just realizing that I met you at the sf fragrance salon your perfumes are truly amazing!
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    New Directions Aromatics recently started a "$100 Minumum Order" policy.

    http://www.newdirectionsaromatics.com/

    "Ordering Guidelines

    Policy Update

    As a wholesaler, we are finding it difficult to accommodate increasing number of small orders. The rising cost of administering small orders have been straining our ability to offer the most competitive pricing in the industry. Hence, we will be instituting a Minimum Order Policy, which requires orders to be of minimum $100. On all orders less than $100, an Administrative Fee of $20 will be applied. Orders with minimum $100 before discounts and shipping, are considered to have reached the minimum requirement. This policy will be effective February 03, 2014."


    I have ordered from them before, but am looking in to other vendors.

    Thanks for this thread!

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    Thanks for the info., MissVanilla

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissVanilla View Post
    New Directions Aromatics recently started a "$100 Minumum Order" policy.

    "Ordering Guidelines

    Policy Update

    As a wholesaler, we are finding it difficult to accommodate increasing number of small orders. The rising cost of administering small orders have been straining our ability to offer the most competitive pricing in the industry. Hence, we will be instituting a Minimum Order Policy, which requires orders to be of minimum $100. On all orders less than $100, an Administrative Fee of $20 will be applied. Orders with minimum $100 before discounts and shipping, are considered to have reached the minimum requirement. This policy will be effective February 03, 2014."


    I have ordered from them before, but am looking in to other vendors.
    What I don't understand is how places like Perfumer's Apprentice don't seem to have any problem whatsoever with small orders. They ship within a day or so. They charge minimal shipping costs (within USA). You get your order in 2 or 3 days. Everything is perfect. For DIY experimenters $100 is outrageous and basically they might as well say: "We do not service the DIY community. Don't bother visiting our website or placing an order. And good riddance." In contrast Perfumer's Apprentice is saying: "We understand your needs. We'll be happy to sell you a few milliliters of this and that for $10. Enjoy!" What a difference. Incidentally, I'm pretty sure Perfumer's Apprentice is making money while doing this, too. So what's wrong with the other suppliers?

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