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  1. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by volley2 View Post
    The initial blast of CPUH for me is kinda unpleasant. It has this "dirty" lavender smell of the plant that has just been yanked out of the ground with soil hanging from the roots. But the dry down is just enticing and appealingly nice and clean.
    Agreed, the opening might put some off. It's an aggressive lavender no matter how you look at it. This is one that might require patience and a few tries for some, but it truly is an excellent classic.
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    Didn't require any patience from me...The very first time I splashed a little on I loved the initial lavender...In fact I thought "This must be what Heaven smells like"...I felt that the first time I smelled Acqua di Parma, but this was even better...My wife was immediately knocked out...She loved it...It was a cloud of powdery lavender that turned into a powdery Vanilla Amber dry-down...The loveliest dry down ever...Theres something else going on that I can't put my finger on...Almost a pepper note but not...Its great too...I've looked for the Play-doh accord but nope...not at all...
    Now I'm addicted and crave it....I can see a 750ml in my future.
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    Good stuff.

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    I prefer a Taste of Heaven By Kilian. I find it to be more complex and it avoids an undefined top note (civet?)that I don't enjoy in Caron pour un Homme. I also enjoy Gris Clair by Serge Lutens, altough you've got to enjoy the vibe that runs through many of their offerings.
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    The notes in this one "blob up" for me, and I don't get much if any oakmoss (I'm an oakmoss fan). I suspect it has been reformulated terribly, and would really like to sample a very old bottle. Also, it would be interesting to see if an old bottle would come across as "synthetic" as the new one does to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Makassar View Post
    Beautiful lavender on musk , vanilla and oakmoss ...the perfume of classical seduction , a really must-have

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    Not sure if you will have a chance to read this, be-bop, but out of curiosity, have you only splashed CPuH on, or sprayed it? Personally, I have found it smells differently sprayed to splashed, so I am wondering whether very positive reactions, like yours, have anything to do with the method of application. Probably not, of course.

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    Not sure if anyone has used Tide Simple Pleasures Vanilla & Lavender laundry detergent (they stopped making it) but if you have I was wondering if this cologne had a similar scent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by be-bop View Post
    Didn't require any patience from me...The very first time I splashed a little on I loved the initial lavender...In fact I thought "This must be what Heaven smells like"...I felt that the first time I smelled Acqua di Parma, but this was even better...My wife was immediately knocked out...She loved it...It was a cloud of powdery lavender that turned into a powdery Vanilla Amber dry-down...The loveliest dry down ever...Theres something else going on that I can't put my finger on...Almost a pepper note but not...Its great too...I've looked for the Play-doh accord but nope...not at all...
    Now I'm addicted and crave it....I can see a 750ml in my future.
    That's almost exactly how I perceive it.

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    This works fantastic on my skin.....Gary

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    I bought this blind (have enjoyed Yatagan for some time) and have no regrets. A very calming, comforting experience.

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    Dear Friends, Thanks for your opinions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollux View Post
    Here in BaseNotes many like it, me included, and for many of the reasons stated. Away form this reason, being a classic is part of its allure, a good thing in Base Notes. Now, you might as well find it horridly bad due to whatever reason (you found Play Doh notes, I do get somehow similar notes to those of a dirty ashtray).

    Just don't feel pressed at all the comments contradicting your point of view, you are entitled to judge it they way you feel. I only regret you throwing it away, I wish it were to my direction...
    Thanks.

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    I like it. Funny this thread should resurface, I was at a closing down/ relocation sale today (Lane Crawford, Pacific Place, sadly) and they had pulled some old Caron stock out from the vaults, picked up 100ml & 50ml PUH for about USD 25, very happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    I like it. Funny this thread should resurface, I was at a closing down/ relocation sale today (Lane Crawford, Pacific Place, sadly) and they had pulled some old Caron stock out from the vaults, picked up 100ml & 50ml PUH for about USD 25, very happy
    Yes. It is curious.

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    I only wear it on funerals: somehow I think lavender and its colour purple fit to funerals...

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    I had a similar experience to Hamp. I tried the juice from three different bottles, and they all became unbearable on my skin as many lavenders seem to do. It makes me sad as I love many Caron scents including Yatagan. I still have Jicky and Mouchoir de Monsieur if I need a lavender fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute_cute_baby View Post
    To me, there's 3 clear-cut layers consisted of lavender-vanilla-amber.
    Agreed - too much vanilla for my taste, though. Kilian is no better, btw, only more expensive. There is Jicky, which I prefer. The connection from lavender to vanilla during the scents development is crucial. I like the more complicated turns in Jicky more than the somehow straightforward fade of lavender in PuH. The latter is a vanilla fragrance most of its time, the lavender gone after about 10 minutes - on me in cold weather. Some greenery and musk in the vanilla prevents it from being to cloyingly sweet. For me there are better lavenders. But I appreciate the art in PuH. It's just not for me.

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    It is interesting to note that in CPuH, the lavender is an absolute. In Jicky and Mouchoir de Monsieur, it isn't - a lesser concentration of lavender. Some people much prefer the non-absolute form of lavender, finding the absolute too sharp or bracing. (I can perceive the lavender in CPuH some hours into the phase that most people seem to find pure vanilla.)

    In Jicky and MdM, vanillin, a synthetic vanilla is used. This is six times more expensive than natural vanilla, and supposedly much finer than the natural stuff. My suspicion is that the vanilla in CPuH is natural vanilla. (I would really love to hear any thoughts on the type of vanilla in CPuH.) So there you have it - quite possibly, Jicky/MdM and CPuH are bizarro versions of each other.

    All that said, I really enjoy the fragrance, and wear it often. I prefer the top and heart to the drydown, though. How, and how much, it is applied seems to make a huge difference. It is one of the most application-dependent fragrances I've ever come across.

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    Yes, my problem with this one is the harsh lavender blast at the top. The drydown is very nice but a bit monotonous. All in all, it is an excellent fragrance as with the rest of the male Caron range, but I have decided that it's not for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merely View Post
    In Jicky and MdM, vanillin, a synthetic vanilla is used. This is six times more expensive than natural vanilla, and supposedly much finer than the natural stuff. My suspicion is that the vanilla in CPuH is natural vanilla. (I would really love to hear any thoughts on the type of vanilla in CPuH.) So there you have it - quite possibly, Jicky/MdM and CPuH are bizarro versions of each other.
    I'm pretty sure it's the other way around; natural vanilla is expensive and it's not in many perfumes these days. A combination of Ethyl Vanillin, Vanillin and Coumarin is very likely to provide the vanilla smell in CPuH and Jicky - and these are fairly cheap mass produced aromachemicals. CPuH would cost bomb if it had natural vanilla in it.

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    Well, by weight ethyl vanillin may be six times cheaper than real vanilla absolute (I don't know), but it's also orders of magnitude stronger since it's pure aromachemical; I wouldn't be surprised if you need only 1% as much weight to get a similar dose in a perfume. In that example, that would mean by potency vanillin is almost 17x cheaper.

    I looooove Jicky, and like MdM, while I dislike the Caron. This is because of the drydown's vanilla. It reminds me of cardboard / cheap drugstore vanilla ice cream, which I assume is because there is no natural vanilla. Jicky is supposed to contain both vanillin and real vanilla, to make a sort of hybrid "improved" vanilla accord. Luscious and rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyBars View Post
    Well, by weight ethyl vanillin may be six times cheaper than real vanilla absolute (I don't know), but it's also orders of magnitude stronger since it's pure aromachemical; I wouldn't be surprised if you need only 1% as much weight to get a similar dose in a perfume. In that example, that would mean by potency vanillin is almost 17x cheaper.

    I looooove Jicky, and like MdM, while I dislike the Caron. This is because of the drydown's vanilla. It reminds me of cardboard / cheap drugstore vanilla ice cream, which I assume is because there is no natural vanilla. Jicky is supposed to contain both vanillin and real vanilla, to make a sort of hybrid "improved" vanilla accord. Luscious and rich.
    A helpful post that sheds some light on something that has been puzzling me. Yes, I agree about Caron's vanilla drydown - I don't mind it, but I have smelled better. Feeling that the vanilla could be better than it is has tended to trouble me a little. Guerlain using a sort of hybrid of vanillas to make a "vanilla accord", rather than using a monolithic 'vanilla', makes sense, and would explain its lusciousness.

    I seem to have been misinformed about synthetic vanilla costing more than the natural absolute. I was citing someone I had heard mention it. Apparently vanillin was first isolated in 1858 by Nicolas-Theodore Gobley, and began to be commercially manufactured a few decades later, so CPuH, MdM and Jicky may well have all used it (together with anything else) from the start. It is relevant for CPuH that the cost of vanillin appears to have fallen dramatically in the 1930s. A factor in its creation? I wonder.

    Interestingly, wikipedia mentions that 'natural "vanilla extract' is a mixture of several hundred different compounds in addition to vanillin."

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    Or just get A Taste of Heaven and know exactly what's in it... I don't know what's in CPUH, but I doubt it's anywhere near the quality of ingredients in ATOH.


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    Hyper essence? A google search uncovers no use of this term aside from Killian's. I wonder if they made it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merely View Post
    Hyper essence? A google search uncovers no use of this term aside from Killian's. I wonder if they made it up.
    Probably. They aren't going to give you exactly what you need to recreate the perfume, as you can't copyright a scent. They also list "accords" for some things, which can be a mix of natural and/or synthetic aromachemicals, without knowing what's in the accord you can't recreate it. By Kilians are "mostly" natural, I heard 70-90% depending on the particular frag. It's a lot more info about the frag than any other perfumer makes public.

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    Haha yeah what is that I wonder. Perhaps a CO2 extract.

    A Taste of Heaven is really excellent . . . not a fair comparison. Also, I bet you that Killian simply did not list all the synthetics in there. I definitely get musk, for one. Wouldn't be surprised if there's some ethyl vanillin as well.

    Merely, according to Luca Turin, Jicky was the first commercial frag to use ethyl vanillin, which had only entered the market within a few years of its launch at most. It also has synthetic coumarin, though it was not the first to use that ingredient. While benzyl acetate was discovered before coumarin, it seems the latter was the first synthetic used in perfumery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merely View Post
    Hyper essence? A google search uncovers no use of this term aside from Killian's. I wonder if they made it up.
    Another possibility: it's a molecular distillate.

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    "Hyper essence" could also be a result of a rough french to english translation...

    I also agree that there are probably some ingredients that did not make it onto the lists, I'd guess some of the modern synthetic fixatives and such. He does list musk on other frags where it is more prevalent. There is also a common note in all or most of the By Kilians, like Guerlain's "Guerlainade" and I don't think this accord is listed.

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    ...How, and how much, it is applied seems to make a huge difference. It is one of the most application-dependent fragrances I've ever come across.
    So true.
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    Yes! It took me years, till I appreciate this masterpiece!

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