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    Mzing, I own a 16 oz. bottle of Paco just like the one in your photo.

    While it may not be an original vintage version, it is far superior to recent versions and definitly worth getting. Just having the huge bottle is cool in itself! I don't think Paco changed significantly until fairly recently (probably within the last 10 years), when they went to the dark green box.
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    So you don't think that the 16oz bottle is the same formula as the other bottle? I thought that they only did one change in the formula. Do you know when they made the 16oz bottle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfaddict View Post


    The first version (splash)



    Bottle on the left was the first spray version. bottle on right,m the first of the new versions (note black typeface instead of silver/white)



    Newest version.

    Like colormechris said, the easiest signifier is the typeface.

    There is a fourth with a way bigger logo. See pic below




    Anyone noticed differences with the third formulation (with the smaller "PR" logo)?
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    Found a 4oz bottle of vintage juice on ebay for about 25 bucks. I have to say, it blows away the current formulation. At least 10x stronger when sprayed, almost unbearable for the first couple of minutes where as to me the current is very tame and a little light. Bond No9 Great Jones does a great job replicating the deepness of the vintage.
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    Default Re: How to distinguish a bottle of 'vinatge' Paco Rabanne

    How confusing!
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    Yes -

    This is "Newer" Vintage formulation prior to the reformulation for sure. Here is an exact duplicate bottle of what you have - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Orig...item256c98aafd

    The beveled glass under the "Pr" logo (indented and then raised is the give-away). New formulations have simply white printed logos etched onto the glass - but the glass is flat. I would guess that this is a splash bottle...? I am fairly certain (but not 100% sure), that the "New" Vintage bottle like these in the 80's had a white logo and paco rabanne pour homme lettering, while the spray bottles had a black logo and lettering. Just so you know, I have an 8oz flacon identical to this in excellent shape and 99% full! It smells fantastic.

    It is not "True Original" Formulation with the silver "Pr" logo, and the font was thicker and rounder. This gets very intimately detailed, but know that this 80's juice in here is definitely prior to the reformulation that occurred in 2000. Reformulated juice is not nearly the same - night & day. The top notes are similar, but soapier and the base notes are no where near as good.

    I have an affinity for Paco Rabanne Pour Homme - personally, I believe it to be the greatest male fragrance ever made. Period.

    However, not in its current formulation. Layering Vintage with reformulation is acceptable - but I don't do it with True Original Vintage. That is sacred juice to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartlebooth View Post
    Here is a bottle I bought back in the eighties, which is a mixture of black and white lettering, and has the raised area under the "r".



    I am guessing, but I think the very early bottles had the bottom line of text including the size and alcoholic volume in a much bigger font. The bottles I see from early eighties onwards have this lettering much smaller. There does seem to have been a huge amount of repackaging and rebranding over the years. Whether this also meant reformulation could really only be discerned by testing the bottle. The only definite thing is that the product in its present guise is significantly diminshed in comparison to previous re-issues. I may try and look back at some of the old advertising campaigns and see which bottles appear at given times.
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    Just though i would show off the bottle i found on ebay.


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    Default Re: How to distinguish a bottle of 'vinatge' Paco Rabanne

    Hi Heperd -

    That is, to my knowledge, definitely Original Vintage Paco Rabanne Pour Homme (with the silver 'Pr' label).

    I hope it came fresh as a good amount is gone (but Paco preserves extremely well!) Did you decant some into an atomizer?

    All the best and enjoy the "sacred juice"!

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    Just though i would show off the bottle i found on ebay.


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    “Some perfumes are as fragrant as an infant’s flesh, sweet as an oboe’s cry, and greener than the spring; While others are triumphant, decadent or rich; Having the expansion of infinite things, like ambergris and musk, benzoin and frankincense, which sing the transports of the mind and every sense.”

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    Ive had it a couple of months and I have put more than an ounce into an atomizer. It seems fresh or else it just got better with age.
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    Default Re: How to distinguish a bottle of 'vinatge' Paco Rabanne

    Great to hear -

    Of course it smells better with age, because our olfactory senses continue to grow with knowledge and wisdom. ;-)

    It's not the juice that changes (if stored properly, of course) but our appreciation of it. Plus, you have smelled more things that are NOT Original Vintage Paco Rabanne - so you have eliminated more fragrances from the known universe that pale in comparison.

    I had a feeling about the decant/atomizer, because you said "sprayed" and I would have to believe that to be a splash bottle - ;-) !

    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Ive had it a couple of months and I have put more than an ounce into an atomizer. It seems fresh or else it just got better with age.
    “Some perfumes are as fragrant as an infant’s flesh, sweet as an oboe’s cry, and greener than the spring; While others are triumphant, decadent or rich; Having the expansion of infinite things, like ambergris and musk, benzoin and frankincense, which sing the transports of the mind and every sense.”

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    One further observation on this: I think vintage spray bottles are labeled 'atomiseur' / 'atomizer' while more recent ones are labeled 'vaporisateur' / 'natural spray'. Can anyone verify this?

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    heperd -

    I concur whole-heartedly with your statement of Vintage juice being superior, but not 10x stronger. The richness of the base notes and (if your vintage bottle is in true form), the entire composition should be correct and true-to-form. The reformulation has top notes that are good and some heart notes that carry, but the base notes are what disappeared. Not just oakmoss, although IFRA took that away...but the formulation itself. Personally, I like to layer some current formulation (including after shave) with Vintage Paco Rabanne PH EDT. The effect is wonderful. I have all the formulations of Paco Rabanne in various sizes except for the latest with the huge "Pr" logo. But, I don't feel I am missing anything, so no worries.

    Bond No 9 Great Jones - I've heard mixed points on this. Read the pyramid of notes and then Vintage Paco Rabanne's pyramid (find the correct one - for example, it's honeyed tobacco, not "honey" that is the note as well as Cistus and Lentisc).

    Here is Paco Rabanne Pour Homme's true scent pyramid:

    Aromatic top notes of Bergamot, Lavender, Clary Sage, Rosewood, Thyme, Laurel and Rosemary

    A heart of spicy Tarragon, Geranium, Pine and Clove

    A dry down of Tonka Bean (Coumarin), Amber and Musk is made exceptional with added notes of Lentisc, Cistus, decadent Oakmoss and rich Honeyed tobacco.

    Some people place Pine as the "Wood" in the base - personally, I find a "pine note" of Fir and Cedar that is blended wonderfully mostly coming from the heart.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Found a 4oz bottle of vintage juice on ebay for about 25 bucks. I have to say, it blows away the current formulation. At least 10x stronger when sprayed, almost unbearable for the first couple of minutes where as to me the current is very tame and a little light. Bond No9 Great Jones does a great job replicating the deepness of the vintage.
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    Default Re: How to distinguish a bottle of 'vinatge' Paco Rabanne

    ^^^ I tend to exaggerate...
    You should give Great Jones a try. I would like to see how you think it compares. To me it is a very good reproduction, but my nose isnt so great. I want to know, how can Bond No9 make a frag that smells like the vintage PR but PR cant make the same thing?
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    heperd -

    Not to sound crass, but Great Jones is not of interest to me. I have smelled a sample (a decant) and it is not close to my nose. The scent pyramid is not close. Orange is the top note - it is sweet, along with a bit of sharp bergamot (granted, there is some bergamot in Vintage Paco, but a blended note - not too sharp...the way it should be in a classic Aromatic Fougere). The heart has cedarwood and cardamom (no florals or herbs), and the base is vetiver, oakmoss and musk. I have discussed this with people before. IFRA banned Oakmoss (first reducing it to a very small/miniscule amount up to 2006) - Bond No 9 Great Jones was released in 2003, so the earlier bottles probably have "some" oakmoss in them...the allotted amount, which is very small. After 2006, they could be using other treemoss that is not banned by IFRA. A lot of perfumiers are, as well as synthesizing molecules to add an artificial oakmoss note. Vetiver doesn't exist in Paco Rabanne. Vetiver is dear to me - so this is almost a slap in the face. Last - musk...okay, one base note that you could say is in both and Paco Rabanne is not a musk-heavy scent, but there is musk in the base note composition. The blend of (assuming it is not ALL synthesized) treemoss and fake oakmoss with the cedar and musk gives an illusion of something trying to be something else - plus it is the "power of suggestion". People say it smells like Paco Rabanne (Vintage), so you go into it smelling a perceived notion of scent.

    Not close. No offense. It may be a decent scent to you, but to me, overpriced. A vintage bottle of Paco Rabanne that is well kept can last 35+ years. I have perfect bottles from the 70's of original vintage - top notes fully intact and the green notes (herbs, pine, real Oakmoss) with florals and wonderful base notes that are the essence of greatness in this masterpiece.

    Will a bottle of Bond No 9 Great Jones still smell okay in 2040? Who knows - get it and enjoy it. To each, their own. Olfactory taste is subjective. You may like it better.

    I hope you enjoy. You know, it's funny. I wore a beautiful suit to my oldest son's First Communion this last weekend. I could've worn any tie from my collection. I wanted something special - that will be with me and him in life later. I wore a Vintage (1960's) hand-made pale yellow Paco Rabanne gorgeous silk tie. You could tell it was Vintage - a skinnier, 3" tie that knotted smaller. My son asked to wear something special - it had to be all black. I lend him my Gucci and tied him as good a knot as one can get. Everyone complimented him and me. I may not be "old", but classic doesn't date you. It is a statement of taste. My scent of the day was Vintage Eau Sauvage (Cologne) on a warm, sunny Spring day. I could've worn Vintage Paco Rabanne Pour Homme to complete this tale, but my Vintage Eau Sauvage was what felt right and was brilliant. I looked and smelled classy and classic.

    That is what this is all about to me. Bond No 9 Great Jones would never give me that feeling.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    ^^^ I tend to exaggerate...
    You should give Great Jones a try. I would like to see how you think it compares. To me it is a very good reproduction, but my nose isnt so great. I want to know, how can Bond No9 make a frag that smells like the vintage PR but PR cant make the same thing?
    “Some perfumes are as fragrant as an infant’s flesh, sweet as an oboe’s cry, and greener than the spring; While others are triumphant, decadent or rich; Having the expansion of infinite things, like ambergris and musk, benzoin and frankincense, which sing the transports of the mind and every sense.”

    ― Charles Baudelaire, The Flowers of Evil & Paris Spleen

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    Default Re: How to distinguish a bottle of 'vinatge' Paco Rabanne

    It could be the first version of the reformulation, I believe as well - but there is uncertainty. I own a small bottle as well and got it for cheap. I have tried it side-by-side with Newer Vintage (raised white 'Pr' logo) and the reformulation bottle that came later...green box, white typeface (a very different scent). It actually, to my nose (and this could also be attributed to bottle age), smells excellent and very close to new vintage. Top notes are actually brighter than some Newer Vintage large splash bottles I have (although I think we all know atomizers change how a fragrance opens versus dab-on). It is actually an excellent wear and far better than the white typeface bottle that came later. I am NOT suggesting that this is yet another formulation of Paco Rabanne...but, there is a possibility that this is Newer Vintage. I am going on nose. But, also, did Paco Rabanne make a 30ml beveled glass bottle? Or, was it flat? I have seen this advertised as "Vintage" by sellers - but that doesn't mean anything.

    I am wondering...did Paco Rabanne put 30ml bottles of new vintage bottles out there like these? Does anyone have a beveled glass 30ml bottle? If not, then I am more convinced that my nose is correct.

    The biggest change came with the white typeface and green box. Up to that, the white-lined sage box shown is indicative of older formulation.

    I put forth and ask - can someone please provide a 30ml bottling different from this (from the Newer Vintage era - not the silver sticker "Pr" logo) that indicates that this juice is indeed reformulated?

    Much appreciation - and a thought to ponder. I have every formulation of Paco except the latest (why bother?), but not EVERY bottle size. So, please fellow Basenoters...offer some assistance.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfaddict View Post
    You are right, its the first version of the new formulation. I actually owned a bottle of the one in the picture (30mls). To be honest, i did not notice any difference then. Just doused it on, as usual, and was good to go.
    “Some perfumes are as fragrant as an infant’s flesh, sweet as an oboe’s cry, and greener than the spring; While others are triumphant, decadent or rich; Having the expansion of infinite things, like ambergris and musk, benzoin and frankincense, which sing the transports of the mind and every sense.”

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    Sorry for bumping this old thread. But I need help to identify a bottle I just got off ebay. It has the silver rounded letter logo, so I guess it is really old. What confuses me is that the bottle is clear. Anyway, it smells fantastic!

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    A more recent vintage: https://www.google.com.br/search?q=P...ml%3B750%3B750
    The new one is a shadow of it, but it's good.

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    @wanderSIN
    As far as I know the silver 'PR'-logo embossed as a silver label on front of the bottle can only be first juice formulation (1973-1981 or something like that).
    I own the one shown on Post #37 but I guess the juice inside is the same as this one! Nice find!
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    - Revillon R
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    - Acqua di Parma: Colonia Intensa /Leather/Oud
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    I thought so too, but I can't remember seeing a clear bottle with the silver logo. Aren't they usually green? Of course, this is a tester. Maybe it has something to do with that?

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    No clue actually, but I know some bottle shapes (and so maybe colors?!) looked different from the usual back then (like with Givenchy Gentleman).
    My Top '10' : (In no particular order)

    - Dolce & Gabbana: Pour Homme (vintage)
    - Pal Zileri: Cuoio
    - Loewe: Esencia/Pour Homme/Solo
    - Davidoff: Leather Blend Edp
    - Revillon R
    - MPG: Santal Noble
    - Acqua di Parma: Colonia Intensa /Leather/Oud
    - Knize Ten
    - YSL: Kouros (Fraîcheur)
    - Dior: Aqua Fahrenheit

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    Quote Originally Posted by wanderSIN View Post
    Sorry for bumping this old thread. But I need help to identify a bottle I just got off ebay. It has the silver rounded letter logo, so I guess it is really old. What confuses me is that the bottle is clear. Anyway, it smells fantastic!

    IMG_7401.jpg
    I have a bottle of aftershave with the silver sticker which indicates that it's early vintage and a Edt from 1993, excellent scent. The vintage smells really good with quality ingredients. Check out this thread it's a really good guide in tracking which vintage you have, though anything pre 2000 is all good!

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/376...g-Buying-Guide

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    Quote Originally Posted by wanderSIN View Post
    Sorry for bumping this old thread. But I need help to identify a bottle I just got off ebay. It has the silver rounded letter logo, so I guess it is really old. What confuses me is that the bottle is clear. Anyway, it smells fantastic!

    IMG_7401.jpg
    Lucky man, this is first edition from 1973 to early 1980's. Don't let it go, they're hard to find!

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    Threads like these are what makes BN indispensable, thanx for the contribution guys!

    P.S: PRpH rocks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wanderSIN View Post
    Sorry for bumping this old thread. But I need help to identify a bottle I just got off ebay. It has the silver rounded letter logo, so I guess it is really old. What confuses me is that the bottle is clear. Anyway, it smells fantastic!

    Have a bottle just like this. Don't know the year but I can say it definitely is old!
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    That is a rare Vintage Natural Spray. I have one similar, but pressurized.

    Smells wonderful, indeed.

    This is just after the earliest bottlings - probably late 70's/early 80's.

    Cheers,

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    Wish I'd read this thread before I bought the current formulation, which as you are all perfectly aware is absolute rubbish. Darn!

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    My Collection. I bet others have more than this.


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    Wow Jason I'm impressed, that's a impressive collection you have there. I cannot sing the praise's of the vintage Paco Rabanne Pour Homme enough. Great stuff indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hunter View Post
    Wow Jason I'm impressed, that's a impressive collection you have there. I cannot sing the praise's of the vintage Paco Rabanne Pour Homme enough. Great stuff indeed!
    Thanks. That's very kind.

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