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    Default Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    I got a sample of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille from The Perfumed Court and loved it so much I bought a full bottle at Saks, but it did not smell the same as my sample. Sent it back and got a bottle from Bergdorf Goodman and even that didn't smell quite the same as my sample. The sample from TPC was definitely more boozy vanilla rum in the opening. I am frustrated. Is the sample I got from TPC perhaps an concentree or something ?
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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Did you ask TPC this question?

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    Yep ask TPC, or even ask them for the code of the bottle they poured the juice from.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Quote Originally Posted by 30 Roses View Post
    Did you ask TPC this question?
    Waiting on a response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekove View Post
    Yep ask TPC, or even ask them for the code of the bottle they poured the juice from.
    What will a code tell me? Mine says 9W01.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    ^ Ask Guerlain is the code is legit, and ask when the bottle was produced, if it was actually SDV and not some special version, etc.

    I assume you've tried your sample and your bottles side by side, yes?
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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    There's only one version of Spiritueuse Double Vanille, so a concentree is out of the question. Chances are it may be a variation in batches. Worse case scenario: reformulation.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Sorry to hear about this. I love SDV's boozy vanilla & got some decants from TPC. If it's a batch problem, perhaps you could return the bottle for refund? I remember how disappointed I was with Chergui post reformulation so I can understand your pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
    ^ Ask Guerlain is the code is legit, and ask when the bottle was produced, if it was actually SDV and not some special version, etc.

    I assume you've tried your sample and your bottles side by side, yes?
    Yes.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
    ^ Ask Guerlain is the code is legit, and ask when the bottle was produced, if it was actually SDV and not some special version, etc.

    I assume you've tried your sample and your bottles side by side, yes?
    Yes.

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    Definitely very annoying. I'm guessing, maybe the vial/decant bottle you got evaporated some alcohol and that's why it smells stronger and boozier. Didn't you guys complain about the TPC decants for not being air-tight? Must be disappointing because you placed your order based on what you got as a sample.

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    If they have reformulated it .... I can feel a hissy fit coming on ........

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Was your sample a spray one or a dab one?
    I have already had two samples of SDV from perfumed court, and i recently bought my bottle of SDV, but didn`t notice any relevant differences.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    It was a dab. It was tightly sealed. The top notes are obviously more rummy, boozy and vanilla in the sample.
    Where did you get your full bottle from?

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    I`ve alrady notice this with some samples that i had, that they used to concentrate some of the notes when you dabbed them instead of spray. Wish I could understand why.

    I bought mine bottle from a nice seller on ebay. It was a new, sealed one.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Oh, and did you tried it recently or you had a sample a time ago and them bought a bottle?
    I have already had this frustation with some frags too, that i tried, loved the aspects that i perceived, and then, when i come back to try the same sample, it was like my perception changed
    Hope that they haven`t messed up with this fragrance, it`s one of the best vanillas that i`ve tried.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    I am now absolutely convinced Spiritueuse Double Vanille has been reformulated at least once. I have two older samples from separate sources as well as a bottle that was a couple of years old I bought on ebay (had 50% juice - but all but ~10 mls leaked out during shipping) Anyway I have purchased two bottles from Saks and Bergdorf Goodman. The changes are mainly in the top notes. I have compared all of the 3 older samples with the two newer bottles several times and each and every time I get that the older juice is more vanilla-rum-boozy, fuller, richer and resinous in the opening. After an hour or so they're the same but I miss that beautiful opening.
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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    This being said, any other similar boozy-rummy-MASCULINE vanilla's

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    I was told 2 weeks ago by a Guerlain SA thats it now , once its gone its gone . Has anyone else heard this ?

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    my sdv sample of tpc was very weak ^^ received it 2 weeks ago and it's really light..
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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Quote Originally Posted by neal View Post
    I am now absolutely convinced Spiritueuse Double Vanille has been reformulated at least once. I have two older samples from separate sources as well as a bottle that was a couple of years old I bought on ebay (had 50% juice - but all but ~10 mls leaked out during shipping) Anyway I have purchased two bottles from Saks and Bergdorf Goodman. The changes are mainly in the top notes. I have compared all of the 3 older samples with the two newer bottles several times and each and every time I get that the older juice is more vanilla-rum-boozy, fuller, richer and resinous in the opening. After an hour or so they're the same but I miss that beautiful opening.
    Hmmm, I don't know WHAT sample I have, but I don't really get much of an opening to it. If anything, it dives very quickly into the rummy vanilla everyone talks about, and stays that way forever. I wonder if I'm missing anything?
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    I have an old bottle of SDV from when it was first released, and I just recently (days ago) smelled it at the Guerlain Boutique. The tester bottle is not old, it is new. It smells identical. I don't believe it has been reformulated, unless they have also just recently again gone back to the original formulation, which I highly doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclmind View Post
    I have an old bottle of SDV from when it was first released, and I just recently (days ago) smelled it at the Guerlain Boutique. The tester bottle is not old, it is new. It smells identical. I don't believe it has been reformulated, unless they have also just recently again gone back to the original formulation, which I highly doubt.
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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    I just have to respectfully disagree the two new bottles are not the same in the opening to the three older bottles. Believe, you me - I wish they were. The difference is for the first, I would say 30 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neal View Post
    I just have to respectfully disagree the two new bottles are not the same in the opening to the three older bottles. Believe, you me - I wish they were. The difference is for the first, I would say 30 minutes.
    From what I understand your older bottles are decants? Perhaps you are dealing with evaporation issues, because I don't smell a difference between the two myself.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Two are decants, one is an older bottle.
    I'd love others too chime in that have an older bottle and a newer bottle?
    I guess anything's possible!

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    It sounds like you are saying that as the new bottle burns off it smells the same as the drydown of the old bottle... the top notes are what are the problem. If there is evaporation involved then the top notes are what will be affected.
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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Yes that is what I am saying. But the top notes seem more fuller, richer and boozier in the older bottle?

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    Yes, so I'm saying that it is possible that you have had an issue of evaporation on the older bottle, so therefore you would be smelling fewer topnotes and therefore a richer scent straight away.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Did you get that sort of faint vinegar/ band-aid-ish (pink pepper?) from the opening that last couple minutes from the sample?

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Neal, here is my take on it. SDV has not been reformulated, it's not that big of a seller for Guerlain for them to go to the trouble. Whenever a scent is decanted, it gets exposed to oxygen & begins to change. You don't know the age of the SDV at TPD, nor the conditions under which it has been kept. (I don't mean to imply they kept it poorly, maybe they refrigerated it.) Temperature plays a part in the way a scent matures, even in a bottle.
    This is the problem with purchasing decants. It doesn't always represent the actual juice to the client when the purchase a bottle from the maunfacturer. Consider your purchase from TPC a "one off". I don't think Guerlain or TPC is trying to mislead you...it is what it is.

    I thought of something else too. Can the top of the SDV be removed? If not, then in order to decant it, it must be sprayed. That changes the juice, imo.

    Also, during decanting, there could be some cross-contamination with other products being decanted. This is one of the arguments the manufacturers make against the decanters. They no longer have any quality control over their product. In your case, it lead you to be disgruntled with Guerlain because what you received marked as their as their product didn't smell like the product you bought. The more hands in the pot, the more chance for a mistake, IMO.

    Still, I am sorry you were disappointed.
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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    When I bought Jean-Paul Guerlain's new book, there was a 15 ml bottle of SDV inside, batch coded as produced in 2010. It smells EXACTLY the same as my first-edition 2007 bottle.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    I got a first sample at TPC in 2009 and bought a bottle from a Basenoter this year.

    They smell the same to me.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. G View Post
    When I bought Jean-Paul Guerlain's new book, there was a 15 ml bottle of SDV inside, batch coded as produced in 2010. It smells EXACTLY the same as my first-edition 2007 bottle.
    Mr G., Do you know if the rumour mentioned above that SDV will be discontinued is true?

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    I haven't had the Guerlain staff on the phone about this issue, so don't know if it's more than a rumour...

    Quote Originally Posted by rickbr View Post
    Mr G., Do you know if the rumour mentioned above that SDV will be discontinued is true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. G View Post
    I haven't had the Guerlain staff on the phone about this issue, so don't know if it's more than a rumour...
    If you discover something, please come back and tell us. I`ll need to save some $ and buy a backup bottle if it`s going to be discontinued...

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    I am glad I found this thread I have a kinda similar situation which lead me to ask the same question, you see I have a bottle of SDV which I love serial# 8S02, anyhow I have a friend who wanted a bottle but did not want a full bottle mainly because he didn't like the high price. So I told him I would split the bottle with him that way i could stock up on more of this great fragrance but to my suprise when I smelled the juice for this new bottle it did not smell the same as the one in the bottle I already had, like Neal the top notes did not give me the same strong boozy vanilla vibe, and its overall potency was not the same. Anyhow I sold my share a little after and decided to just stay with what was left in my original bottle. I hope this does not become a issue later :-/

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    Disappointing that Guerlain would put out such inconsistent products at such prices and expect the consumer to resort to checking serial numbers to find a "good" batch....sigh....
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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Quick...whats the batch number? Where did you get your bottle? Is there no quality control?
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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    I just smelled a brand new bottle on Monday, and it smells identical to the one I purchased 2 and a half years ago.

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    Well, if it wasn't reformulated before, it's definitely been reformulated now. Added to the L'Art et la Matière range, the juice is no longer a dark ambery colour but of more an orangey yellow.

    I'm just thankful I bought my bottles way back in 2007 and 2008.

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    Coincidentally, just yesterday I received a SDV decant from The Perfumed Court -- smells divine. Based on the sample, I was going to order a bottle, so I guess I'll have to keep my fingers crossed . . . .

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    How would you compare this juice to Tobacco Vanille as I hear some people say it's like TV lite on the drydown?

    Also if you have TV is it worth checking this one out?

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor View Post
    I'm just thankful I bought my bottles way back in 2007 and 2008.
    Same here.

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    On me, TV has gigantic sillage and longevity. Based on just one wearing, it seems to me that DV is way more subtle -- maybe half or 2/3 of TV's projection. Longevity isn't bad -- I applied it about seven hours ago and can still smell it. I don't get much (if any) tobacco from DV, only a slightly musky, maybe vaguely tobacco-y scent in the background (very, very subtle). I would definitely say this is worth checking out, even if you have TV. They're separate scents, though both have vanilla bases. I'd say this is no closer to TV than, say, Back to Black, which is like TV with half the vanilla and more sour honey. I think I'd also wear DV to work, and I probably wouldn't do that with TV.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hunter View Post
    How would you compare this juice to Tobacco Vanille as I hear some people say it's like TV lite on the drydown?

    Also if you have TV is it worth checking this one out?
    They are very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neal View Post
    They are very different.
    I can't recall how different they actually are (I've been staying away from Tom Ford for some time) but I do remember others saying that TV is stronger but less complex. Personally, whether they're both worth owning really depends on how large you want your wardrobe to be.

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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    i'll be getting a bottle of SDV from one of BNer in few weeks, hopefully the package arrive safely without any problem and i will do some comparison with the sample i have from my friend.

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    Oh... i LOVE my bottle of SDV too... bought it some years ago, so i guess it was still one of the better batches.

    gosh.. then i shd hurry up and buy a bottle of bois d'armenie which i have been procrastinating on... just in case there is some truth in the slight drop in ingredient quality...

    Btw, for those who like SDV, they should give L'Occitane's Eau Toilette Eav des Bavx a sniff!!! maybe a bit of disclaimer: EdB has a pronounced cypress note which i happily live with. It is also not as smooth and does not have a booze note like SDV. But really... for the price, worth checking out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor View Post
    Well, if it wasn't reformulated before, it's definitely been reformulated now. Added to the L'Art et la Matière range, the juice is no longer a dark ambery colour but of more an orangey yellow.

    I'm just thankful I bought my bottles way back in 2007 and 2008.

    has any one tried this since the bottle change ? im considering a full bottle but dont want weak or differant juice?
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    Yes. I don't smell any difference.

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    So I checked myself to this perfumed court website since many on this board swear by the name.. and honestly.. what is this joke? $25 for a 1.5 ml Sample PLUS shipping? How could you guys pay so much for so little?!

    That's like you paying $2,500 for a 150 ml perfume bottle. Is this board exclusive to Goldman Sachs executives or something, or does TPC website fill their samples with the Elixir of Life?

    I usually buy them from eBay at a fraction of the cost, but this one I couldn't find, so Id rather go to Sacks 5th ave. and try it for free! It's a walking distance from where I live anyway.

    I'm only curious to know if people on this board could really go this far with their hobby, and mostly, Why?

    Thank you
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    Default Re: Frustrated (Grrr) with my bottle(s) of Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille

    Ozai, getting an expensive sample from TPC is still cheaper than buying blind a full bottle of SDV and then realising you don't like it. You can't scale up their prices per ml to a full bottle, is doesn't work like that.

    Samples from TPC are not cheap, but in the long run, and by using them wisely, they have saved me money by preventing unnecessary (and stupid) full bottle purchases.

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