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    Default Sorry, but i just need to vent for a second...

    Ok. So we are going to talk about two fragrances that were released in the near past:

    Chanel's Bleu de Chanel

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    Marc Jacob's Bang

    Now, i hope i dont offend anyone, but i just really need to get this off my chest and i dont have alot of people to talk about fragrances with, so here we go:

    How on earth is it possible for Bleu de Chanel to be soooooo harshly criticized and poorly review when something like BANG is out.

    Say what you want about Bleu de Chanel. I dont even care if you call it Axe Body Spray, but really, compared to soemthing like Bang, which i havent seen alot of hatred towards(maybe i havent looked enough), its ridiculous.

    All i get is top notes of pepper, middle notes of pepper, and basenotes of pepper, vetiver, and a tiny bit moss.

    Sure Bleu de Chanel might be too "safe", but would u rather be safe, or smell like a steak?

    Bleu lacks originality?? And Bang doesnt?? i smell bang every single night..when im using my pepper grinder at dinner.

    I know people say its wrong to buy frags just to impress women blah blah blah ect, but would u rather safely impress them, or gross them out? BANG to be smells like total girl repelent.

    Can someone help me make sense of this? is it because of chanels history and ultra high expectations that Bleu seems to be more frowned upon then Bang, when personally to me, Bang might be the worst smelling fragrance that i have ever smelled in my life, period.

    once again, im sorry about this, but i just had to let it out

    thanks guys

    p.s., the bottle is one of the coolest bottles ive ever seen. if the juice was decent, i would have bought it just so i can put it on my night stand even though i keep all my bottles in a huge drawer, i would have kept this one out.

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    Default Re: Sorry, but i just need to vent for a second...

    Wow, I wasn't interested in Bang until now. You've totally put me on to this fragrance! Without this post I never would have given it a glance. I mean - steak? Really!? Cool.

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    Sometimes, the more strange a scent is, the more popular it becomes on BN. Often times, the more ordinary a scent is, the less popular it is on BN
    Last edited by Freeze; 26th September 2010 at 07:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeze View Post
    Sometimes, the more strange a scent is, the more popular it becomes on BN. Opposite is also true...
    oh ive defiently learned that as a fact.

    and im sorry if im offending the people that really like this scent. its not a diss to you. everyone has there own taste. but in general. i dont understand how i smell like bangs can be liked better then a smell like bleu de chanels on this site. spray some bang on one hand, and bleu on the other and walk around the mall and ask people which they like better. i bet u 90%+ with say the bleu is defiently better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugandaraja View Post
    Wow, I wasn't interested in Bang until now. You've totally put me on to this fragrance! Without this post I never would have given it a glance. I mean - steak? Really!? Cool.
    haha well dude. if u like pepper, then this will be your holy grail. and the bottle is AWSOME. so good for you bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny19 View Post
    oh ive defiently learned that as a fact.

    and im sorry if im offending the people that really like this scent. its not a diss to you. everyone has there own taste. but in general. i dont understand how i smell like bangs can be liked better then a smell like bleu de chanels on this site. spray some bang on one hand, and bleu on the other and walk around the mall and ask people which they like better. i bet u 90%+ with say the bleu is defiently better
    One thing to keep in mind is a lot of BNers have sniffed hundreds, if not thousands of other fragrances. So when they sniff something like Bleu, that borrows or resembles a ton of other frags they may have smelled over the years they their can be a lot of hatred (disappointment) pointed towards the frag.

    I would suggest checking out Dullah and Redneck Perfumisto. They share similar interests in frags with you and I and their posts are always well written with great detail. I may not always agree with their opinions but they are a good starting point in finding other frags you might like.

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    For older members here it often is: the weirder, the better
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    all i can say, is if u wear Bang, u must be a very very brave man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny19 View Post
    Chanel's Bleu de Chanel
    and
    Marc Jacob's Bang
    One possible conclusion would be to appreciate both as - bosh? While the Chanel has been a rough disapointment in that and the Jacobs is expectedly so.

    Bosh should read as generic, dispensable, of no interest, not even worth the tester, not living up the hype. There are hundreds of fragrance releases a year, so why bother with that screechy Chanel issue any more? It may even be the late coming best in a row of generic oh so manly sharp and fresh de-odorants, but having smelt all its multi tens of predecessors, what shalls? I need no plastic masquerade of my own very peculiar but worthwile bodily odors. If somebody else does, it is forgiven, though.

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    I've felt this way before too, Jonny. Around here, sometimes the weird gets praised more than the wonderful, especially if the wonderful happens to be mainstream in any way.

    Now, that's not to say I don't love it here. I do! I just make it a point to speak my mind about any fragrance I come across, even when my opinion is definitely against the masses (like my quiet admiration for Davidoff Adventure, for instance). One other thing I like to do is hop over to Fragrantica and see what the general opinion of a scent is there. It's really interesting to me because they have a completely different vibe there, and sometimes have their own 'group think' that can be the polar opposite of the general consensus here on BN. Bang, for instance, has 6 votes each of "Love", "Like" and "Dislike" over on Fragrantica. A lot of the reviews there pan it, too.

    My only complaint, if I can call it that, with BN, is that it seems like fragrances are automatically more respected and more liked by a large number of users here if the fragrances are very spicy, woody, incense-laded or oriental. It sometimes feels like a number of mediocre/highly synthetic/poorly blended heavy frags get a lot of love while some really greatly blended modern/fresh/aquatic scents get completely overlooked simply because of their (lack of?) pedigree.

    If you really love a scent though and think it's not getting enough respect, try to open the eyes of others to its virtues. That's what BN is all about and we can always use more of that kind of talk around here. It can really work, too. I kind of spearheaded the Versace PH movement back when I had found it and fallen in love with it, and it seemed as though that brought out a lot of others who were silently admiring it, against the BN-tide.

    Besides, it's always nice to see more positive oriented threads (this is why I love X!) than negative ones. (advice I should listen to myself )
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    Default Re: Sorry, but i just need to vent for a second...

    Hmmm...? I was under the impression that Chanel Bleu had more than its fair share of admirers and even won over quite a few initial sceptics... But I do agree that expectations are understandably higher for such an esteemed house as Chanel. I think if you love a fragrance, you should share & spread some of that love around here...but I'd avoid doing it at the expense of another fragrance release especially when they are no real basis for comparison other than their release dates.

    It is perfectly alright to love something that is roundly dissed by experienced members. Sometimes experience does get in the way of simple enjoyment...of smelling 'nice'.

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    Just love what you love , it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks

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    Default Re: Sorry, but i just need to vent for a second...

    I have received several compliments when wearing Bang. But maybe the people were just hungry at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pour_Monsieur View Post
    Just love what you love , it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks
    True words written here. Any critics must not bash those who love a fragrance for what ever reason. And as far as I've seen nobody has been assigned a bad taste or someting for buying Blue of Chanel.

    Mr Polge himself defined the new issue of the house of Chanel as intentionally generic in the tradition of barbershop style scents. If I got him right it is addressed to generic businessmen that want to smell of something generic when leaving the toilet in a public jet airplane (his words, really!). Mr. Polge analyzes the situation further, that male fragrance has it's roots in after shave. So, even the attitude of the new release is completely revealed: being not extraordinary despite being a Chanel and so showing extraordinary understatement not at least as coming from France grin:
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    I'm very clear on this issue.

    I really like Bang - even though I hate the name and the bottle. I like peppery fragrances and this is like a lighter version of Cacharel pour homme.

    Neither is it a girl repellent, in fact women seem to really like it.

    However, Bleu de Chanel is Polge's darkest hour. Chanel had the opportunity to create something special with this fragrance and have created the bastard cousin of the equally appalling Champion by Davidoff, which smells remarkably similar.

    Bleu De Chanel is so safe I'm surprised it doesn't come with a three point safety harness and built-in airbags. It's derivative, dull and unimaginative.

    Bang at least doesn't smell like every other designer fragrance on the market.
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    Default Re: Sorry, but i just need to vent for a second...

    Bleu de Chanel simply put, is mainstream mundane mediocrity.

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    I like Bleu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclmind View Post
    I like Bleu.
    Ah, such is the wondrous diversity of Basenotes ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HDS1963 View Post
    I'm very clear on this issue.

    I really like Bang - even though I hate the name and the bottle. I like peppery fragrances and this is like a lighter version of Cacharel pour homme.

    Neither is it a girl repellent, in fact women seem to really like it.

    However, Bleu de Chanel is Polge's darkest hour. Chanel had the opportunity to create something special with this fragrance and have created the bastard cousin of the equally appalling Champion by Davidoff, which smells remarkably similar.

    Bleu De Chanel is so safe I'm surprised it doesn't come with a three point safety harness and built-in airbags. It's derivative, dull and unimaginative.

    Bang at least doesn't smell like every other designer fragrance on the market.
    you see. this is also a concept im trying to grasp here on basenotes. the fact that one fragrance is better then another just because the other has too many similarities with other fragrances.

    so if i took a dump, added some vetiver and oak moss, and put it in a cologne bottle, would it be better then bleu de chanel because it doesnt smell like anything else on the market?

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    johnny 19 you get the prize for best post of the week. Bang (aka Bust) is a joke. It is nothing more than a bad ripoff of Terre d Hermes and for the life of me and I can't understand why anyone doesn't see that. I did two skin tests with it. The first time I tested it opposite Blue which was a mistake because couldn't get a clear scent, though I was liking it (or what I thought was it) then. The next day when I used a sample on its own I couldn't believe it. It was just TdH watered down. Not only that it vanished on my skin in an hour or two. Damn, and I almost bought a bottle of it. Luckily I went with Bleu and glad to have done so.

    BTW Coty makes Bang, and I needn't say anymore about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pour_Monsieur View Post
    Just love what you love , it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks
    Very well said from an intelligent man. Just enjoy what you enjoy.

    I really don't understand the original posters whole "rant". Bleu has been smelled by more people. It likely has more people enjoying it as well. Chanel is also a larger brand in perfume than Jacobs is. When was the last time Jacobs released a scent for men ? When a thread discusses everyones favorite fragrance house, I don't think I have ever seen Marc Jacobs ever poster. Chanel has to live with the higher expectations.

    Also, johnny, you may not like Bang, but that doesn't mean other guys can't like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny19 View Post
    you see. this is also a concept im trying to grasp here on basenotes. the fact that one fragrance is better then another just because the other has too many similarities with other fragrances...
    I get a kick out of you taking one response from one guy and saying it represents Basenotes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny19 View Post
    you see. this is also a concept im trying to grasp here on basenotes. the fact that one fragrance is better then another just because the other has too many similarities with other fragrances.

    so if i took a dump, added some vetiver and oak moss, and put it in a cologne bottle, would it be better then bleu de chanel because it doesnt smell like anything else on the market?
    If sillage and longevity aren't a problem which it shouldn't be then yes it would because it will certainly be a unique scent.

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    I don't even understand why anyone has a desire to sample these kinds of frag. Really, it wastes time that I'd rather spend smelling something that I know I like !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctran019 View Post
    If sillage and longevity aren't a problem which it shouldn't be then yes it would because it will certainly be a unique scent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny19 View Post
    How on earth is it possible for Bleu de Chanel to be soooooo harshly criticized and poorly review when something like BANG is out.

    Say what you want about Bleu de Chanel. I dont even care if you call it Axe Body Spray, but really, compared to soemthing like Bang, which i havent seen alot of hatred towards(maybe i havent looked enough), its ridiculous.

    All i get is top notes of pepper, middle notes of pepper, and basenotes of pepper, vetiver, and a tiny bit moss.

    Sure Bleu de Chanel might be too "safe", but would u rather be safe, or smell like a steak?
    I can say that there are a lot of different reasons as to why both scents are not in the same league.

    Chanel is a house that has a very strong branch on perfumery, dating back years and years, uses top ingredients and generally tries to stay both commercially viable and at the same time generating quality products for fragrance lovers.
    The tremendous expectation for one of Chanel's upcoming scents is almost unparalleled and pales the competition easily.

    Marc Jacobs on the other hand is a fresh designer house that has basically no history dating back enough for the house to make any kind of expectation for a new scent.

    Virtually all of Marc Jacobs scents have been neither ground breaking and/or controversial, and most being very safe and going with the current markets. So the expectation on a new scent by MJ is near to null (let alone that one being either interesting or original).

    I agree that Bang has not being slammed as it should be but the fragrance is not a step down on a house that has many fans or many good fragrances, as opposed to Chanel.

    Now, why do I think Bang "has not being slammed as it should be"? Because I think that Bang is a simple -and i agree with you- black pepper fragrance that doesn't offer much, other than black pepper. Layering? almost non existent. Potency? strong, but do you want your pepper to smell for hours? At the most, it is a good scent for layering experiments of our own.

    Another point is (and I have said it before but I think it needs to be said again) that Bang is a poor rendition of a classic, better scent from a house that has come up with strong offerings over the years.
    Which house? Caron. Which scent? Poivre.
    Poivre is everything Bang is not.

    Bang is as of now, one of MJ's best offerings both in simplicity, longevity and truthfulness to a simple note: pepper.
    So, in short, it is a point up for the fragrance branch of the house.

    That is not the case for Bleu de Chanel.
    Expectation, unoriginality and lack of guts have sinked Chanel's credibility among some fragrance lovers.

    cheers

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    Hey jonny, first of all, its normal that with that many of us as here on BN every scent has admireres and opponents.
    For many people here, especially those who post lots and own incredible numbers of frags attraction towards the other sex is indeed not even a factor taken into account for judging a new scent whereas creativity, uniqueness and daringness is. Heavily.
    Without any arrogance intended at all I'm more than curious if/how your taste will change after say a year of constant sniffing and sharing of thoughts here. I would bet a bottle of bang that you will find yourself drawn more and more towards edgy, different scents and repeatedly smelling similar scent at every new launch will get increasingly frustrating. Or you might stay with those scent that you already have now. But then I dont think that the enthusiasm for this hobby will keep.
    I can absolutely appreciate Bleu for what it is but for me thats not enough anymore.
    Maybe like if you get into painting for some great scenery drawings. You might stop then and there completely fullfilled with art that most people with perceive as beautifull. But due to constant contact to art and its many forms you might as well find yourself drawn to more abstract paintings such as Picasso etc. the more the taste specialises (I dont say Improve!) the harder to satisfy it get's.
    And I dont think there's a community in the world with more specialised, hard-to-please experts in perfumery than BN.
    plus I think the supporters (of Bleu) just dont speak up as loud as the opponents.
    Smellin good

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    I always regarded this "pros" and "cons" arguments as a mechanism of social networking: in communities such as this one, popularity depend to a great extent to what prominent members of the community say and how convincing are these arguments for the laymen. In the case of scents, you have to add the attraction of the scent's brandname, its distribution and pricing policies as well as the way it is being promoted and advertised. Many other members will follow suggestions and reviews, only to realize that the scents being the object of raving reviews just don't fit their expectations.

    Just check out fragances being recently released that are the focus of discussions... months later you will find them offered in the sales thread - I am thinking of Encre Noire.

    Arguments on Bang being not so good as Blue, or Blue not being as good as Bang? Well, I don't care much about those. Now, I do apreciate Jonny's mentioning that Bang is linear while Blue is complex.

    I wonder that the secret lies in leaving opinions away and centering reviews in technical aspects. The point is that limits between these two approaches can be quite opaque.

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    Both are just - whatevers.

    Bleu smells awesome for the first 15-20 minutes. If it just stayed like that, it'd be a winner. But by an hour later it is GONE. You'd have a stronger scent on you from scented bath soap or Bath&Bodyworks lotion than from this 'cologne'. It's just one sliver beyond smelling like absolutely nothing from an hour on. You'd have to hit yourself with it every hour to keep it smelling good. And you know what - they'll sell a trillion of them this holiday season, because it's safe, and subtle, etc. etc.

    BANG - What an awesome bottle. That bottle rocks. The fragrance in it had me excited - at first. But after wearing the sample for a couple days, I realized - there are only TWO times a year I would wear this fragrance: Thanksgiving dinner with family, and Christmas dinner, with family. Anywhere else with anyone else, forget about it. To sum up what BANG is similar to - remember years ago all those green Christmas Tree air freshners you hang in your car? BANG has captured this wonderful essense, and put it in a smashingly nice bottle.

    I think the only reason these two are being argued together or vs. each other in these posts is because if you walk into any Nordstrom's - the SA's are all over you in an instant trying to peddle this crap, and there's big instore displays for both, literally side by side. The fragrances themselves have nothing whatsoever to do with each other though IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny19 View Post
    you see. this is also a concept im trying to grasp here on basenotes. the fact that one fragrance is better then another just because the other has too many similarities with other fragrances.

    so if i took a dump, added some vetiver and oak moss, and put it in a cologne bottle, would it be better then bleu de chanel because it doesnt smell like anything else on the market?
    Duh - have you not got it yet? It's all down to personal preference. I like Bang, you don't, so what? Get over it.
    In a world where people smell bad, it is the personal responsibility of every Basenoter to improve the world one SotD at a time...

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