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    Default Re: ZINO davidoff in two versions?

    I love this stuff and I've only tried the current which is great. For having such a strong opening I'm wondering if this truly is fleeting or is one of those frags that induces olfactory fatigue quickly.

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    Another aspect to consider is Davidoff in general are good at reformulations. I'm reading Turin's newest book "The Little Book of Perfumes: The Hundred Classics" and he updates his reviews with current samples. If there were any significant change in Cool Water he'd be the first to say as he loves the stuff. Probably the case with Zino...yes reformulated but a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexwagner View Post
    I love this stuff and I've only tried the current which is great. For having such a strong opening I'm wondering if this truly is fleeting or is one of those frags that induces olfactory fatigue quickly.
    I think this is the case for many people, which is why reformulations are done the way the are. In other words, they "amp up" the top notes and hope that they last a few hours (that depends upon skin chemistry, climate, whether it gets on your clothes, how many sprays, etc.). They take out the expensive base notes and replace them with something generic and cheap. In some cases, I find it outright laughable, such as the lack of opoponax in Lagerfeld Classic, which is what makes Lagerfeld Cologne special, IMO. Of course, this is my explanation, though I did find someone who worked in the industry back then and she confirmed it (I bought a one of a kind KL Homme by Lagerfeld bottle from her; it was a formulation they were considering but decided against). Sometimes the reformulation smells "cheap" but other times it's terribly unbalanced. I find recent frags to be more wearable, in general obviously, because at least they were crafted to possess a semblance of balance.
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    Default Re: ZINO davidoff in two versions?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexwagner View Post
    I'm reading Turin's newest book "The Little Book of Perfumes: The Hundred Classics" and he updates his reviews with current samples. If there were any significant change in Cool Water he'd be the first to say as he loves the stuff. Probably the case with Zino...yes reformulated but a good one.
    Glad you brought Turin up. Zino is a notable exception to the A-Z Guide. Considering its bold use of animalics (something Turin does tend to be fond of), that's a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyBars View Post
    Glad you brought Turin up. Zino is a notable exception to the A-Z Guide. Considering its bold use of animalics (something Turin does tend to be fond of), that's a surprise.
    Oops! What I meant is that in the book he updates reviews with current samples. Obviously some reformulations are better than others and he actually even prefers current versions of some frags. If Cool Water had deteriorated markedly I'm guessing he would have mentioned it so maybe Davidoff put the same care into the Zino reform which explains why some on BN can't perceive a difference. Just a thought...probally wrong

    He's never actually reviewed Zino which is strange but he does mention it in he's Heritige review and call's it 'great'.

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    Sorry, but as much as I admire LT's dedication to and study of frags, the men's from the 1980s are not his strong suit, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    Sorry, but as much as I admire LT's dedication to and study of frags, the men's from the 1980s are not his strong suit, IMO.
    Don't want to give the impression of being a Turin devotee either because I'm not. The book is just entertainment to me...certainly not a 'guide'.

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    I wonder if his at least somewhat dismissive attitude towards these frags is due to his sampling the reformulations !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    I wonder if his at least somewhat dismissive attitude towards these frags is due to his sampling the reformulations !
    Probably not. He's been a fraghead for decades and smelled most well-known releases when they came out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyBars View Post
    Probably not. He's been a fraghead for decades and smelled most well-known releases when they came out.
    But he does say in some reviews that this or that frag seems like it could have been reformulated. Clearly, he didn't try to do what I've been doing, which is to try and figure out which bottle represents particular formulations. The other thing I'll mention, which I think may be more important, is how he described them as "foghorns." Once you get to the drydown many if not most of these frags are quite tame, though that's not true for some of the reformulations (Giorgio for Men by GBH and Third Man are obvious examples). One spray to the chest from most of my vintage 80s frags is just right, no "foghorn" and no more projection that most men's frags from the last ten years or so. My guess is that LT and CB pay too much attention to top notes, which is fine if they would tell us that, but when you act like some sort of frag expert and you don't make such distinctions, it can only serve to confuse people, IMO.

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    Default Re: ZINO davidoff in two versions?

    Very good points Bigs.

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    Default Re: ZINO davidoff in two versions?

    Curiosity got the best of me and I decide to try and test another bottle besides the 1 oz (cursive) and 4.2 oz (block) bottles I have. It's just a mini and it looks like an older version of my 1 oz.

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    Mini's always have the script/signature font as far as I know, see also the current Cool Water mini's who look the same as the old while all the new bigger (40, 75, 125 and 200ml) Cool water bottles have block font.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slayerized View Post
    Mini's always have the script/signature font as far as I know, see also the current Cool Water mini's who look the same as the old while all the new bigger (40, 75, 125 and 200ml) Cool water bottles have block font.
    Well crap..... I have daddy and momma Zino so I spent $9 for the baby.
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