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    This is absolutely stunning and I really dont know how you do that Dimi.

    Match up with totts chanels and MrG and you'd have set the milestone and you collections will never be matched...


    Seriously, any advice on where to look for ancient Guerlains?
    It's a shame flee markets arent what they used to be anymore...
    Smellin good

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    I sincerely hope it's the real deal, esp since historically the bouchon coeur flacon was reserved for only three perfumes: L'Heure Bleue, Fol Arôme and Mitsouko.

    I don't mean to sound so skeptical but there is real opportunity here to make some nice $$$ from passionate collectors. After all diehard collectors are not only willing to bid crazy prices for rare vintages, they are also highly unlikely to tamper with the packaging, the bottle nor the juice. Time to bring in some 'forensics' experts, perhaps? I'm curious - is there a scientific way of ascertaining the age of the rope, the seal, the bottle and label?
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    I was a little skeptical at first too Diamondflame, but I did my research before making this purchase. As my linked blog article states, it has since been authenticated by Christie Mayer Lefkowith and Genevieve Fontan; two published perfume historians, the latter of whom has specialised in the parfums of Bourjeois, Nina Ricci and Guerlain. My article also goes on to suggest why it may have been presented in this manner.
    The rope, bottle, packaging are all vintage, and the paper label on the base also suggests it is a bona fide bottle. If someone had intended to make a lump of cash selling this item to me, then I would have paid more. A LOT more than I did. This was not an auction sale either. It was purchased outright from a person who obviously had no clear idea of its value, both historical and monetary.

    My issue is not with regard to its genuineness, but rather its exact age.

    @ Timaru: thank you
    The internet is your best tool, as is a great deal of patience.
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    I am very happy this bottle has gone to you, Dimitri because you really truly love ,appreciate vintage perfume ,the bottles,the houses, the history . A great custodian of this rarity .
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/370...o-Profumo-Onda
    For sale. Carnal Flower and Vero Profumo Onda.

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    It's so lovely...and I'm so envious!

    I'm also certain it's worth a lot to many many collectors. The juice looks like it's EDT or vintage cologne, though. '90s parfum also has the same hue.

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    Thanks Dom.
    Its extrait, as mentioned in post no. 6.

    Thanks.

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    It appears that this is not as unusual a bottling that we all thought. Apparently there was at least one other run of Shalimar in this bottle named the Shalimar Yellow Gold spcecial edition. Click below to see the picture of Shalimar in this kind of bottle. This, of course, does not detract from the rarity of the item, which is quite a wonderful find. A search on google image under vintage Shalimar reveals many different bottling styles for Shalimar including at least the one Yellow Gold Limited Edition, which appears to be somewhat recent and not in extrait.

    http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/G...tion-4861.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Tesla View Post
    It appears that this is not as unusual a bottling that we all thought. Apparently there was another run of Shalimar in this bottle named the Shalimar Yellow Gold spcecial edition. Click below to see the picture of Shalimar in this kind of bottle.

    http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/G...tion-4861.html
    Seeing so many variations of the flacons gives me an urge to try & seek an example of all of them

    Yesterday, I took another step & purchased this 'Golden Sixties' teardrop bottle( 8 - 8.5 oz I believe,coz the seller says it's 6 3/4 inches tall) for $55:


    Asking price on listing yesterday was $79.99, but I offered $45 half-heartedly, thinking the seller would probably ignore it. But after some hours, he countered with $55. I dallied and debated whether to whittle it down to $50, but decided to just accept the offer.

    When it arrives safely, I would have finally completed my collection of EDC, EDT, EDP, parfum & extrait of this classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Tesla View Post
    It appears that this is not as unusual a bottling that we all thought. Apparently there was at least one other run of Shalimar in this bottle named the Shalimar Yellow Gold spcecial edition. Click below to see the picture of Shalimar in this kind of bottle. This, of course, does not detract from the rarity of the item, which is quite a wonderful find. A search on google image under vintage Shalimar reveals many different bottling styles for Shalimar including at least the one Yellow Gold Limited Edition, which appears to be somewhat recent and not in extrait.

    http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/G...tion-4861.html
    Yes N_Tesla, this was a very recent 2008 Xmas release. I made mention of this in the comments of my blog piece also.
    It was launched with EDT versions of L'Instant Magic and Insolence.
    Last edited by Sorcery of Scent; 10th October 2010 at 11:26 AM.

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    Dimitri,

    I tallked to Marie Line from Guerlain today. She is shocked by the size of it. She didn't have whole lot of information about it, but she said she will research it and ask Jean Paul Guerlain. She can't believe its 80ml. I sent her a link to your website and ask her to email you about it.

    Time for me to go play some poker. As I smell Wild Amber by Jean Paul and its one of kind,It cost 20,000. AWESOME is what I smell right now!

    Cheers!
    Last edited by Gojira; 4th October 2010 at 12:05 AM.
    Scents I have that are not in the database.

    Amouage Molook Attar
    Full Incense - Montale
    Oudh Lacquer by Soivohle
    Shalimar Ode de la Vanille by Guerlain
    Mukhalat Makaki Perfume Oil by Swiss Arabian
    Man Amber by Halston
    Absolue pour le Soir by Maison Francis Kurkdjian
    Puro Intense by Nejma

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    Thanks Gojira.
    In terms of the volume of the flacon, there is no marking on the bottle or box to suggest this. Instead, I have used the Michele Atlas / Alain Monniot printed Guerlain resource to determine its capacity. It stands 11.8cm tall (almost 5 inches), and has the larger Ø 3.4cm label. This suggests the volume is 80ml.

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    Ok, that's cleared up. She thinks it might be pre war for the date. She didn't want to be quoted on it. She was sure she could date it once she got back to Paris. She also said it might have been a special order for someone. One more thing Jean Paul is coming to Vegas in March.

    Cheers!
    Last edited by Gojira; 4th October 2010 at 05:25 AM. Reason: Because I am tired and didn't proof read it!
    Scents I have that are not in the database.

    Amouage Molook Attar
    Full Incense - Montale
    Oudh Lacquer by Soivohle
    Shalimar Ode de la Vanille by Guerlain
    Mukhalat Makaki Perfume Oil by Swiss Arabian
    Man Amber by Halston
    Absolue pour le Soir by Maison Francis Kurkdjian
    Puro Intense by Nejma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gojira View Post
    She thinks it might be pre war for the date.
    Thats precisely what I had surmised also. Thanks.

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    Your Avatar, well seen one like that and it was Gold and Diamonds. Makes that one look second hand. Let me know if she gets in touch. I gave her your website address so she could show Jean Paul Guerlain.

    Cheers!
    Scents I have that are not in the database.

    Amouage Molook Attar
    Full Incense - Montale
    Oudh Lacquer by Soivohle
    Shalimar Ode de la Vanille by Guerlain
    Mukhalat Makaki Perfume Oil by Swiss Arabian
    Man Amber by Halston
    Absolue pour le Soir by Maison Francis Kurkdjian
    Puro Intense by Nejma

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    Waw!
    What a find! And a great photo too. Really enjoyed this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrouFrou View Post
    Waw!
    What a find! And a great photo too. Really enjoyed this post.
    Thank you FrouFrou!

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    Nice, very nice Dimi!

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Tesla View Post
    L'Osmothèque in Versailles is the best source that I have found in matters of fragrance consevation. Please let us know what they suggest.
    Well, 5 weeks on, would you believe that despite 2 or 3 attempts to contact L'Osmotheque, I have never garnered a response of any kind?

    The sad thing is, whilst I ADORE this flacon, I had been considering - for the correct conservation of this historical piece - to actually donate it to their collections. However, in light of their utter disregard for my correspondence, it is unlikely I would entertain such a thought again.

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    Sorcery of Scent; Sorry to hear about L'Osmotheque's lack of response to your queries. The research I did revealed that the ideal temperature for non citrus scents is 10 degrees C. whilst citrus scents were stored at 8 degrees C. I keep mine in a frost free refrigerator at 10 degrees C. I hope that is of some help.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcery of Scent View Post
    Well, 5 weeks on, would you believe that despite 2 or 3 attempts to contact L'Osmotheque, I have never garnered a response of any kind?

    The sad thing is, whilst I ADORE this flacon, I had been considering - for the correct conservation of this historical piece - to actually donate it to their collections. However, in light of their utter disregard for my correspondence, it is unlikely I would entertain such a thought again.

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    Thank you N_Tesla... I think I will heed your advice.

    many thanks,

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