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    Tried this yesterday, does have an old school, traditional EDC, tonic feel to it (which is fine by me.) I like it alot, but already have too many lavender based fougeres but will it put it through my standard 4-5 wears before making a final decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neal View Post
    Tried this yesterday, does have an old school, traditional EDC, tonic feel to it (which is fine by me.) I like it alot, but already have too many lavender based fougeres but will it put it through my standard 4-5 wears before making a final decision.
    Less eager to try it now.
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    Sartorial is truly worth the full bottle! The scent is a metallic top note, which quickly disappears into a "barbershop" vibe.

    The scent goes into a very pleasant fougere with a leather and vanilla base. I has Old School charm. Some BNers dislike this, while it's a draw for others. Longevity on me is very good with moderate sillage.

    I don't get the hype of a cutting room of a bespoke tailor, but this is nice! I recommend this to all for a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neal View Post
    Tried this yesterday, does have an old school, traditional EDC, tonic feel to it (which is fine by me.) I like it alot, but already have too many lavender based fougeres but will it put it through my standard 4-5 wears before making a final decision.
    Yes, you have to try it several times. I have tested it over some days now. Sartorial on the left arm, and Opus 1870 on the other. I must say this is ultra-British-elegant stuff! I love those kind of fragrances. Couldn`t decide which of them, so I order both!

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    I just read a review of this wonderful scent on Scented Salamander. I laughed out loud at this description of the progression of notes:

    "Past this nod to the very powdery, slightly sluttish fougère genre for closeted womanly dandies."

    ROTFL!
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    I haven't tried it. It's been awhile since Penhaligon's used high quality ingredients. It's doubtful they even have access to them anymore, or would spend the money for them if they did. I still look forward to smelling it.

    This review fits with what I would expect from the fragrance.

    http://1000fragrances.blogspot.com/2...fragrance.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    I just read a review of this wonderful scent on Scented Salamander. I laughed out loud at this description of the progression of notes:

    "Past this nod to the very powdery, slightly sluttish fougère genre for closeted womanly dandies."

    ROTFL!
    Brut & Canoe are 'womanly dandies' ? Bullshit or I'm slightly gay one - NAW I'm callin bullshit.

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    "Past this nod to the very powdery, slightly sluttish fougère genre for closeted womanly dandies."

    Jeez these people are into mental masturbation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluran View Post
    I haven't tried it. It's been awhile since Penhaligon's used high quality ingredients. It's doubtful they even have access to them anymore, or would spend the money for them if they did. I still look forward to smelling it.

    This review fits with what I would expect from the fragrance.

    http://1000fragrances.blogspot.com/2...fragrance.html

    Wow, that is a stinging review.

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    I think it's an AMAZING fragrance. The drydown (which lasts damn near 24 hours) is absolutely great. Unfortunately, it definitely calls to mind powdery classics of yore, namely Old Spice, and as a young-looking 23 year old, I can't imagine this meshing with my style. It's beautiful though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neal View Post
    Wow, that is a stinging review.
    Especially for one in which he declares the fragrance to be "a beautiful perfume"!

    I agree - Sartorial is an excellent fragrance, and it's a lot like many excellent fragrances that have gone before. Where I depart from Octavian is in my belief that Sartorial is different enough to be a worthy effort. I'm pretty sick of older fougeres - yet I find Sartorial very, very appealing. A nice blend of classic and current effects. I didn't find it dated in the least. Kevin of NST called it "square", and I agree - hipply so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Especially for one in which he declares the fragrance to be "a beautiful perfume"!

    I agree - Sartorial is an excellent fragrance, and it's a lot like many excellent fragrances that have gone before. Where I depart from Octavian is in my belief that Sartorial is different enough to be a worthy effort. I'm pretty sick of older fougeres - yet I find Sartorial very, very appealing. A nice blend of classic and current effects. I didn't find it dated in the least. Kevin of NST called it "square", and I agree - hipply so.
    Sartorial is certainly cheaper than Fougere Royale.

    I do agree that it initially smells very familiar in the top notes--and it does have a lot of notes.

    As the scent progresses, other notes like the leather and vanilla emerge. I would venture to call this unisex in the way Grey Flannel can be used by men and women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HDS1963 View Post
    On a separate note, Opus 1870 is beautiful, but it just doesn't last or project the way I would like it to. Same with Endymion which is a fantastic fragrance. I've been pushing to persuade them to produce an EDP of it, because to my nose it warrants it. Extract of Limes is a great fragrance, very creamy in its composition resulting in a really smooth and rich drydown. I prefer it to the Trumpers equivalent.
    Now after you have used Sartorial for a while, how would you describe the sillage and longevity? (only tried it from a sample My bottle hasn`t arrived yet!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oslo-Fjord View Post
    Now after you have used Sartorial for a while, how would you describe the sillage and longevity? (only tried it from a sample My bottle hasn`t arrived yet!)
    I've been wearing it on and off for a few weeks now. Sillage and longevity are excellent on it. Sillage in the first couple of hours is quite strong, reducing to still being noticable from a few feet a way after that until being very much present several hours later. I can get pretty much a full day's wear out of it - a full working day that is. So if I leave for work before nine with a fairly liberal application, I will still be able to smell it on me when I get home in the early evening.

    The other thing I'd mention is that it is one fragrance my gf actively requests that I wear as she likes it that much.
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    In feel, it reminds me of Creed VT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neal View Post
    Tried this yesterday, does have an old school, traditional EDC, tonic feel to it (which is fine by me.) I like it alot, but already have too many lavender based fougeres but will it put it through my standard 4-5 wears before making a final decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by DULLAH
    Less eager to try it now.
    Quote Originally Posted by pluran View Post
    This review fits with what I would expect from the fragrance.

    http://1000fragrances.blogspot.com/2...fragrance.html
    Never going to pay to test it now. Had high hopes, but it's now certain it's got zero % chance of being bottle worthy. Too bad, as given the notes, I never expected an older Rive Gauche type fragrance. Maybe I'll eventually test it at Truefitt & Hill's barbershop on Michigan Ave....just to be 200% sure Maitres Tailleurs still reigns supreme among the sartorial/tailor fragrances.
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    Is it really barbershop and powdert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDS1963 View Post
    I've been wearing it on and off for a few weeks now. Sillage and longevity are excellent on it. Sillage in the first couple of hours is quite strong, reducing to still being noticable from a few feet a way after that until being very much present several hours later. I can get pretty much a full day's wear out of it - a full working day that is. So if I leave for work before nine with a fairly liberal application, I will still be able to smell it on me when I get home in the early evening.

    The other thing I'd mention is that it is one fragrance my gf actively requests that I wear as she likes it that much.
    Sartorial does have long wear and good sillage, but settles down. i agree that it does have staying power without having to reapply in the afternoon.

    The top notes are indeed "barber-shoppy," but that is only part of the picture. The leather and vanilla in the drydown are the best part of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DULLAH View Post
    Never going to pay to test it now. Had high hopes, but it's now certain it's got zero % chance of being bottle worthy. Too bad, as given the notes, I never expected an older Rive Gauche type fragrance. Maybe I'll eventually test it at Truefitt & Hill's barbershop on Michigan Ave....just to be 200% sure Maitres Tailleurs still reigns supreme among the sartorial/tailor fragrances.
    I think to dismiss this from the description of being a traditional barbershop fougere would be to do it an injustice. I've had long discussions with people who work at Penhaligon's who themselves question whether this belongs truly in the fougere category at all. It does have some lavender, even a little violet leaf, but really overall it's an oriental in feel more than a true fougere. I would also hesitate to say it was traditional barbershop. A sartorial tailor fragrance yes, but barbershop? Not really. I would doff my cap in the direction of TOBS or Trumpers for the true traditional barbership frags, Sartorial is way too complex to be so simply pigeon-holed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HDS1963 View Post
    I think to dismiss this from the description of being a traditional barbershop fougere would be to do it an injustice. I've had long discussions with people who work at Penhaligon's who themselves question whether this belongs truly in the fougere category at all. It does have some lavender, even a little violet leaf, but really overall it's an oriental in feel more than a true fougere. I would also hesitate to say it was traditional barbershop. A sartorial tailor fragrance yes, but barbershop? Not really. I would doff my cap in the direction of TOBS or Trumpers for the true traditional barbership frags, Sartorial is way too complex to be so simply pigeon-holed.
    HDS1963, I agree. I said the TOP notes are barbershoppy. The rest is more subtle, and it does not scream lavender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    HDS1963, I agree. I said the TOP notes are barbershoppy. The rest is more subtle, and it does not scream lavender.
    Definitely. I'm getting way, way more lavender out of the new Bond than this. To me, lavender is only a minor player here. And it strikes me as a much more modern fougère than RGPH, et al. The fougère accord seems more like the more recent "mineral fougeres". I would not write off FBW without a good wear, DULLAH. I'm not in the market for old "fougies" - but I am for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    HDS1963, I agree. I said the TOP notes are barbershoppy. The rest is more subtle, and it does not scream lavender.
    Yes, I saw that Primrose and agree with you, it has one of the most smoothly blended lavender notes I have encountered. Lavender seems difficult for many perfumers to get to play a supporting cast role in a fragrance without pushing to the front too much, however, in Sartorial you are aware of its presence without it distracting from other accords at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HDS1963 View Post
    Yes, I saw that Primrose and agree with you, it has one of the most smoothly blended lavender notes I have encountered. Lavender seems difficult for many perfumers to get to play a supporting cast role in a fragrance without pushing to the front too much, however, in Sartorial you are aware of its presence without it distracting from other accords at work.
    HDS, oh, I totally agree.

    I truly enjoy Sartorial for its blending. Nothing is shouting out from the notes.

    I am thinking of some favourites of mine--Arome Trois (yes, I know he was not a perfumer), Pour Un Homme, and Mouchoir de Monsieur--in which lavender is very prominent.

    Sartorial is nothing like those at all. Very complex. I enjoy the vanilla and leather a great deal.

    Look at the list of 24 notes in the archives:

    http://www.basenotes.net/ID26131749.html
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    Bought a bottle of this based on HDS review alone , and I´m glad I did.The description was very good. I love Rive Gauche and I don´t have this aversion against barbershop smells, so for me the risk was reduced to a minimum.Bertrand Duchafour isn´t always a hit for me, so that was the risk I took (a little one)
    The review on 1000 fragrances doesn´t do it justice at all i.m.o.,so that sucked big time.It´s so much better that that.

    Wearing this for two days now and at first I could see the comparisons with Rive Gauche. L´Artisans Fou d´Absinthe also came to mind for a sec.,but that soon dissapeared after a few minutes.
    It starts out like a fougere type fragrance but leaves a warm, amber oriental type, drydown on your skin.
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    I am so wanting to test this. Also Halston Amber man. Rive Gauche is too creamy on me but this may work. Anyone wanna swap a small sample of this for a sample of two other Penhaligons I got.

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    Default Re: Penhaligon's Sartorial - first wearing and review

    I ordered a sample from Luckyscent, curious if it would remind me of my father's tailor shop. It doesn't, but its solid, soapy manliness is very pleasant. I never would have guessed at the complexity of the fragrance notes. It fits together very smoothly.

    My husband, unfortunately, is not enamored of it (yet), and I would not want to wear it myself.

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    I finally got a chance to sniff Sartorial at Aedes today. I met up with Sommerville Metro Man last week and he urged me to try it. Earlier today I was in mid-town and popped into 42nd Street Perfumery - one of those old school, discounted classics shops - and primed my nose with a sampling of Drakkar Noir. I then took the subway downtown, to the village, and sprayed on Mr. Duchafour's creation. When all is said and done, Sartorial is a post-modern aromatic fougere. Very much indebted to Paco Rabanne Pour Homme, that honey/beeswax note is there in spades. The big difference is Sartorial's dry-cleaner chemical opening, which I really find unnecessary. Beautiful, well made, but is this classic fougere dry-down worth reviving? I'm not so sure. Now I'm going to read Octavian's review.

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    just got this and alas... its not for me

    another bottle to the classifieds...

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    I wore my sample of Sartorial. I do see the metallic note in it, but it is not sharp or say edgy, but nice. I do not get lavender, and I do not get powder. Now some have said at basenotes it is one of the best new releases of 2010 and I can see that. It is not like anything I smell at Macys and, well, nothing ever really. To me, it is very office appropriate. It does not scream when you put it on, and you could meet with people 10 minutes after you put it on. To me, that is a drawback. I spend $110 on 100ml, I want to smell me!!! Well crafted and nice.

    Alas, I am not inspired by it. Maybe like a poster above, I might change when I wear it a second time, and drats, with those little 1ml samples, I get a wearing and then half a wearing. I wore Le Labo Patchouli and commented that I get a cinnamon/clove vibe over a background of a leather glove, and over the first 30 minutes, it seemed to warm up. I did not care for it, maybe because the name is nothing like the scent - would have been better to call it Le Labo Misnomer and I might have liked it. Sartorial is something that I don't think will evoke strong feelings of love or hate, but a lot of "it's nice" or "it's ok". Le Labo therefore is more interesting.

    I'll keep an open mind. To give you an idea, when I try a scent, I like to wear it, and then like to have a little applied to the back of each hand. Usually within the first hour, it is still pronounced and has a certain aura. Sartorial is more of a skin scent as I have to dig my nose into my hand to smell it. It is nice when I smell it, so right now, an hour into it, I will say it has low to medium silage. Maybe an eau de parfum would help in that regard.

    edit: I would say that after 6 hours, it still had low to medium silage, but it was not long lived on me. The Le Labo easily out powered it. I do not get barbershop connotations when I wore it. Just goes to show you skin chemistry is everything. I will say that people are right, this aint you daddy's Penhaligons. And I liked it better than anything I find at Macys. If you are looking for a nice new addition, yea, grab a bottle. If you are looking for your holy grail, it was not that sort of scent for me. I would have liked for it to be, but it was not
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    I have been looking for an updated, modern Brut for a long time. Sartorial, which by the way I just got my full bottle from Luckyscent fills the bill. I am sooooooooooo oversimplifying by saying an updated modern Brut. What I mean by that is that old school 1970's fougere charm- but modernized in a totally good way. I really like it.

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