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    Hi everyone

    I come to you , because il have a very close friend of mine who asked me something . I have a few ideas about the answer but would like also your opinions .

    Sh's been wearing Chanel N19 since ever ...It's her favourite ..in edt , edp and extract .
    But she finds that with the reformulations , there's a change in the drydown , probably due to the change in the oakmoss , and she regrets to love it less than before

    So , she asked me a perfume that could replace her 19

    I said , that in my mind " Bas de Soie" was too light . Eau du Soir : too bitchy ( very nice perfume nevertheless )
    She already tried Y and Calandre ...but it's not the "love at first sniff"

    I said that i'm sure she would have loved the former "Vent Vert" -Balmain in extract . She already has the former Vent Vert -Balmain in eau de toilette but the extract would have been perfect .
    Anyway , as it's difficult to find anyway , it's out of question

    Would you have any other ideas , please?
    I said she coulf also look in brands like Maitre Parfumeur ou Nicola , to have something less usual...

    Thank you very much for your ideas and cheers from France

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    I don't have a huge fragrance vocabulary like many ppl here, but off the top of my head, I can suggest Coty's Imprevu and Patou's 1000

    What I haven't tried,but may work is Carven's Ma Griffe

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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    Annick Goutal's Heure Exquise

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    Has she tried Jacomo's Silences. I have that one and Y, and there are the green similarities but I think Silences is smoother.

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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    Vent Vert,Silences,Eau de Soir by Sisley and even Dioressence by Dior are having similarities with Chanel 19!She could try them and find which one matches her taste better!
    Ma griffe is far more aldheydic one and i won't recommend it!
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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    Quote Originally Posted by tott View Post
    Annick Goutal's Heure Exquise
    That's it exactly! First thing I thought of.
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    How about Delrae's Debut? lMO a very nice green fragrance with a floral heart.
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    Personally, I'm skeptical of trying to replace a lost love with something very close to it, because nothing will ever completely capture what you loved about it. Perhaps it's best to find something totally new? Or she could explore other green scents, or irises, or light leathers, or whatever quality she liked about No 19...it could be a fun adventure.
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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    Why not just source some vintage No. 19? It's not easy, but many Basenoters scour Ebay and buy vintage No. 19 all of the time.

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    i note what you said . Thank you so much

    She already has vintage bottles of 19 but it's getting harder & harder to find
    She already had Silences from Jacomo ..she said it was nice , close to 19 , but probably less "complete" ..between the two , she prefered 19

    She has got a bottle of Vent Vert Vintage , we talked about it this morning ..but she said it's too light for winter ( that's why i said , the extract would have been perfect )

    I'm gonna tell her about the others . I think she knows "Ma Griffe".
    For the moment , she finds Iris Silver Mist quite perfect but she's looking for other ideas

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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    Tell her to try Iris Bleu Gris by MPG or Timbuktu by L' Artisan Parfumeur

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    You could try Michael Edwards' Fragrances of the World website (www.fragrancesoftheworld.com). There's a section on the site where you can enter the name of a fragrance you like and based on your choice it will suggest three others that you might also like. Possibly it will just come up with suggestions already mentioned here, but it might be worth checking out.

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    How about Chamade, PR Metal (underestimated) or Private Collection? Or even sticking to Chanel, Cristalle.
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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    ...many Basenoters scour Ebay and buy vintage No. 19 all of the time.
    And I'm one of them... I have vintage edc, edt, edp and parfum and love them all. It's still relatively easy to find vintage No 19, but it will of course be getting harder and harder as time passes.

    Anyway, I am very familiar with No 19 and would (again!) urge you to sample Heure Exquise. This was – reputedly – the signature scent of Karl Lagerfeld for years. If this is good or bad is up to you, but he does have excellent taste...

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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    I second Vent Vert.



    Quote Originally Posted by sophi View Post
    Vent Vert,Silences,Eau de Soir by Sisley and even Dioressence by Dior are having similarities with Chanel 19!She could try them and find which one matches her taste better!
    Ma griffe is far more aldheydic one and i won't recommend it!

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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    Parfumerie Generale Corps et Ames is less close to N19, but it's a beautiful green chypre with a floral aspect.
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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    Personally, I am not a fan of this following being a purist, but one can try: layer Bvlgari pour Femme with something mossy -- K de Krizia, Nikki de Saint Phalle or Aromatics Elixir.

    PaulSC, while we are on it -- happy birthday to you and many fragrant returns of the day. Thanks for chiming in on the Ladies' Board, your insights are very welcome and often times are pure delight.

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    Sadly the ones that were most like it have also been reformulated and discontinued! 1000, Cristalle, etc.

    Good Luck


    To bad about Y; I think it's so great.

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    It may be too green or herbaceous for her, but Eau de Campagne by Sisley may be worth a sniff.

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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    OK good- I was hoping to see Hillaire on this thread, she has a fantastic collection for this genre.

    -If your GF likes n 19 then I"m hearing that she likes floral greens.

    -a second for NIkki St. Phalle (parfum), Ma Griffe (but NOT the EDT version), Parfumerie Generale's Papyrus de Ciane (has the famous Mousse de saxe base, which I just misspelled); I agree with you that Bas de Soie is no comparison, I dont' know why this has been cropping up; Chamade (since you are in France you can buy the EDP, which is my preference)

    How 'bout this one:Caron's Alpona. Ooh... lovely biting greenery, I can't get enough of it!
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    Default Re: Instead of Chanel N19

    I agree with many comments and recommendations made so far. I am also a green fiend, so I can sympathize with your friend!

    One fragrance not mentioned yet is Ralph Lauren Safari--it is like No.19 but with its own distinctive personality. It seems fairly abundant at the moment, and I got mine on discount at TJMaxx.

    Other green fragrances that I love (but not a direct 1:1 replacement for No.19) include: Guerlain Vol de Nuit extrait, Estee Lauder Private Collection (original), Guerlain Sous le Vent, Parfums de Nicolai Le Temps d'une Fete.

    She may also want to try Dior Homme EDT which is a fantastic iris leather, very wearable by women, and readily available in the shops.

    ETA: Forgot to mention Estee Lauder Knowing which is a very dark green and mossy rose fragrance. Use sparingly, though!
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    It's hard to find a similar one as Chanel 19 is a very specific smell with the green bitter peppers in it. There isn't, to my knowledge, a scent, so distinctive. I can tell Chanel 19 apart from millions of green scents. I think she schanel hould try the older Estee Lauder scents. Few have been suggested. I add Alliage, Azure, Estee, Estee Super. I've noticed Chanel 19 hardliners rarely like anything outside Estee Lauder oldies.

    I thought of Magie noire, but remembered the new one is not quite similar to Chanel 19

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    What a delicious thread. I adore greens...and I also like the vintage and present Vent Vert so it may be worth trying the edt. I also have the current Vent Vert parfum and it's lovely. But it is more floral that the vintage.

    Sounds like your friend doesn't want her greens too sweet so I would totally concur with the Jacomo Silences recommendation. Ralph Lauren Safari also drier and a touch bitter. Dry and uber elegant without the "bitchiness" of Eau de Soir

    Oh man now I want to try Caron Alpona. And I'm with Hillaire re "Y", it is sooo great.

    Chanel Bel Respiro is another nice green with top notes that are similar to Vent Vert but it may be too soapy? Worth trying though.
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    I have thought of TWO others, which I feel particularly remiss in not mentioning!

    1. Jil Sander Scent 79 Woman. It always reminds me of vintage No. 19. It's metallic, it's peppery, it's suedey. I bet she'd LOVE it! Please don't overlook it. It's always popping up on ebay.

    2. Givenchy III!! It's an aldehydic green chypre-leather thing, just like 19, but less metallic and more 'herbal'. I only have the vintage of this, but the word on the street is that the reformulation is credible.


    To my way of 'smelling', No. 19 is more of a green leather aldehydic than a hard green chypre (like Niki and Silences), so I should also mention Hermes Amazone, Lancetti Via Condotti, and Rive Gauche. Not my favorite reformulations, but more recognisable than the latest 19, I can assure you.

    And another nice super-green, leathery chypre is Jean Louis Scherrer Scherrer . It has a lot of 'presence' like No. 19, but it's not very aldehydic.



    Should your friend get bitten by the vintage-quality bug and care to look into vintage aldehydics and/ or other leathery greens, I'd recommend hunting down:

    Nina Ricci Farouche - A super metallic aldehydic with a galbanum overload.

    Jil Sander Woman III - My favorite green leather ever. Worth the inflated price tag.

    Molyneaux Vivre - Ah, Molyneaux Vivre ,sigh... smooth, yet metallic aldehydic.

    Capucci Yendi - A floral aldehyde with metallic bite, ala vintage RG, great character...

    Vintage Quelques Fleurs - I find this vintage insanely close to 19. I wonder if I could tell them apart, in fact. And no, it bears no relation to the present swill bearing its moniker.

    Yves Rocher En Avril Un Soir - Again, more along the Rive Gauche lines, but it's greener than Rive Gauche, gorgeous if you can find it! This one has been re-done as En Avril Le Soir; I wonder if it's good? Anyone?

    Lancome O de Lancome - A dynamite green chypre with tons of character.
    Last edited by Hillaire; 17th October 2010 at 05:48 AM.

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    I'm a no. 19 lover too.
    I'll recommend Megumi by Ayala Moriel. here are the notes from her site: Notes: agarwood, pimento berry, apricot, jasmine, grandiflorum, oakmoss, red mandarin, Mai rose, Otto rose and vetiver.
    "Like a lobster with a pearl in its claw, the beet held the jasmine firmly without crushing or obscuring it. Beet lifted jasmine, the way a bullnecked partner lifts a ballerina, and the pair came on stage on citron's fluty cue. As if jasmine were a collection of beautiful paintings, beet hung it in the galleries of the nose, insured it against fire or theft, threw a party to celebrate it. Citron mailed the invitations." Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins p. 189

    What I am loving right now: Shalimar vintage extrait, Chanel Bois des Iles, Chanel no. 22, Le Labo Iris 39, Guerlain Iris Ganache

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillaire View Post
    I have thought of TWO others, which I feel particularly remiss in not mentioning!

    1. Jil Sander Scent 79 Woman. It always reminds me of vintage No. 19. It's metallic, it's peppery, it's suedey. I bet she'd LOVE it! Please don't overlook it. It's always popping up on ebay.

    2. Givenchy III!! It's an aldehydic green chypre-leather thing, just like 19, but less metallic and more 'herbal'. I only have the vintage of this, but the word on the street is that the reformulation is credible.


    To my way of 'smelling', No. 19 is more of a green leather aldehydic than a hard green chypre (like Niki and Silences), so I should also mention Hermes Amazone, Lancetti Via Condotti, and Rive Gauche. Not my favorite reformulations, but more recognisable than the latest 19, I can assure you.

    And another nice super-green, leathery chypre is Jean Louis Scherrer Scherrer . It has a lot of 'presence' like No. 19, but it's not very aldehydic.



    Should your friend get bitten by the vintage-quality bug and care to look into vintage aldehydics and/ or other leathery greens, I'd recommend hunting down:

    Nina Ricci Farouche - A super metallic aldehydic with a galbanum overload.

    Jil Sander Woman III - My favorite green leather ever. Worth the inflated price tag.

    Molyneaux Vivre - Ah, Molyneaux Vivre ,sigh... smooth, yet metallic aldehydic.

    Capucci Yendi - A floral aldehyde with metallic bite, ala vintage RG, great character...

    Vintage Quelques Fleurs - I find this vintage insanely close to 19. I wonder if I could tell them apart, in fact. And no, it bears no relation to the present swill bearing its moniker.

    Yves Rocher En Avril Un Soir - Again, more along the Rive Gauche lines, but it's greener than Rive Gauche, gorgeous if you can find it! This one has been re-done as En Avril Le Soir; I wonder if it's good? Anyone?

    Lancome O de Lancome - A dynamite green chypre with tons of character.
    Omg. I am totally printing this out. Great reference green list. Of course Scherrer, Amazone and Quartz are perfect suggestions.
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    Ditto to everyone's suggestions. If you're a green floral or green chypre fan this is the thread for you. I agree with those who classify No 19 as a green floral. It may have had more of a chypre angle in some previous iteration, but the current edt that I have it is a chilly green iris/rose. But regarding green chypres, Scherrer by Scherrer is a great choice. It seems to have become harder to find, particularly the edp. A similar option that I've recently found and just love is Lancome's Sikkim. It's one if the recent re-releases (The Collection) and shares the same bottle as the fab Cuir. It has a very similar set of topnotes and has that same big bruiser, green leather, rollercoaster opening as Scherrer. But where Scherrer dries down to a harmonious green with a waxy rose quality, Sikkim's finish keeps the separateness of its elements (green-leather-spicy-floral) and yet isn't quite as dry Scherrer. I see that Sikkim has been called a Floral/oriental/chypre, but I see it as a classic green leather chypre. The only nod to the floriental category is a mossy drydown that is oddly less dry than the opening. Anybody else tried Sikkim?
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    I keep waking up with epiphanies about this thread!!!

    Seriously, I did awaken this morning, go to my dressing room, spray on Balmain Ivoire and think, "Was I insane not to mention this one??"

    I even indulged in a little side-by side.This one is REALLY close! Metallic, aldehydic, bitter-green. And it's fantastic!

    Balmain Ivoire - an aldehydic, metallic, green soapy

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    Can't believe I missed this thread!I +1 Hillaire's Ivoire recommendation a million times over!Your friend should really sample this one.
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