Luminere Noire hands down. If you're looking for an amber frag you can do much, much better than le Soir. LM may take a couple of test wearings to get into it - did for me. Its dry muskiness kept drawing me in deeper & deeper eventhough it reminded me of the soapiness of SL l'eau at first. I absolutely love the stuff - it lasts forever on my skin & has very good sillage + raises its head to remind me it's still around hours later. Then again, I could just be an artemesia freak.