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  1. #331

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    Quote Originally Posted by b0n3z View Post
    Disagreeing is fine, and you have every right to do so. However, I find your tone and mudslinging majorly hypocritical.
    i apologize. it wasn't my intention to insult. i hereby retract anything along those lines.

    it just seems like what happened to Joy happens to everyone with this scent....

    Impossibly huge expectations > Initial hysterical disappointment > Eventual acceptance/happiness

  2. #332

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    I agree with bOn3z...new batches are not close to the original....not to my nose, or your nose, or people at Creed's noses and so on....

    The new batches are good, just not as great as the first round....I even offered to buy a half used tester today at Saks. (batch ended in E...)

    I feel like I need to make a move on Royal Oud now in case they change it as well.

  3. #333

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    I should update; I decided to try the Aventus again today before heading out to work. 5 sprays (as I said earlier, it was very weak to my nose), and this time, I couldn't detect any of that smoke/ash that I'd previously detected. While I still can't smell any pineapple, and it seemed like a weak citrus scent to me, I wore it all day with no thought about it, until late afternoon when a female colleague, who I've known 2 years, complimented my cologne and asked what it was. It was particularly surprising as she's never complimented (or even mentioned) any of my previous scents in all the time I've known her, plus the fact that I could barely smell it.

    I don't know, can a cologne take some time to 'settle' after air transport? I hope that's the case, and that smoke smell stays gone. I'll have to keep trying Aventus at least 2x a week, see how I go from here. I'm slightly less pissed off with this purchase now.
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    But seriously, try applying even less. I think you may be fatigue-ing your nose. I got some off Kron. First time, I think I over-applied. Second time, I sprayed once to my shirt, and I could smell it on the shirt two days later.

  4. #334
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    Default Re: Aventus batch numbers

    I've got batch #C42B10J01 and I'm getting unreal sillage and longevity with it...as in I am still getting solid wafts of it 10 hours later, and that was with 1 spray to the chest, 1 to the neck, and then 1 on each arm. Even at the 5-6 hour mark, my Mom exclaimed she could "smell my cologne from a mile away." The only thing about this batch is that I'm getting very little of the supposed "royal pineapple" accord in the top. It smells very ashy and leathery...it actually smells like a wallet filled with crisp, fresh money...but I love it.

    Your mileage will vary!
    What I've been wearing far too much of lately:

    -Amouage Lyric Man
    -Guerlain Gourmand Coquin
    -Creed Jardin d'Amalfi


  5. #335

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    Anybody wonder, why other niche (as well as the non-niche) vendors do not have a batch discussion?

    I can answer this question, I could even put a price tag with it: Creed is not willing to pay for an automized QA4-system in pre-production (that is in the initial mixes, before going large-scale) coupled with a quantumtest-unit in their production facilities. Tell that the guys over at COTY and they will laugh their heads off. The result is exactly what is described in this thread: products, that due to unwanted chemical cross-reactions fall flat of any quality standards. And no, that is not because Creed is a niche company - most other small companies are not experiencing these problems, as QA facilities are simply part of any production process and their utilization is priced into the retail prices.

    This means: Either Creed is greedy as hell by slashing costs in their production process to maximize profits without caring at all about what the customer gets for his bucks or they are unable to make a cut given their current product pricing (which is at $150 a bottle) and therefore temporarily have to take these extreme measures in production. Decide for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miner View Post
    Anybody wonder, why other niche (as well as the non-niche) vendors do not have a batch discussion?

    I can answer this question, I could even put a price tag with it: Creed is not willing to pay for an automized QA4-system in pre-production (that is in the initial mixes, before going large-scale) coupled with a quantumtest-unit in their production facilities. Tell that the guys over at COTY and they will laugh their heads off. The result is exactly what is described in this thread: products, that due to unwanted chemical cross-reactions fall flat of any quality standards. And no, that is not because Creed is a niche company - most other small companies are not experiencing these problems, as QA facilities are simply part of any production process and their utilization is priced into the retail prices.

    This means: Either Creed is greedy as hell by slashing costs in their production process to maximize profits without caring at all about what the customer gets for his bucks or they are unable to make a cut given their current product pricing (which is at $150 a bottle) and therefore temporarily have to take these extreme measures in production. Decide for yourself.
    So basically what you are confirming is that Creed indeed do have their own production facilities.

    Anyways, stopped by Neimans in Atlanta a few days ago..sprayed on Aventus, and yep, it smells the same as my bottle (one of the early batches) and same as the pre-release sample I had.
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  7. #337

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    Quote Originally Posted by fumegator View Post
    This is simply not true.

    I've had 3 Aventus's now. On opening day last summer (E01), a flacon in the winter (J01), and a bottle a couple months ago (K03).
    Do you wear nothing but Aventus? Even with Dullah-esque levels of clothes sprayng it's quite an achievement to get through a flacon and a bottle since the launch.

  8. #338

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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp View Post
    So basically what you are confirming is that Creed indeed do have their own production facilities. .
    not only that, but he has access INSIDE the facility, which is one of the most secretive in the world, and has detailed knowledge of their production equipment and capital.

    i do believe there's a term for what miner just peddled. it starts with "bull" and ends with "it".

  9. #339

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anť View Post
    Do you wear nothing but Aventus? Even with Dullah-esque levels of clothes sprayng it's quite an achievement to get through a flacon and a bottle since the launch.
    haha... no. my first bottle was a 4.0oz back in July of 2010. I used about half of it, then got a flacon just because I wanted one. I was recently given another 4.0oz of Aventus by.... well, someone special, i'll leave it at that.

  10. #340

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    Quote Originally Posted by miner View Post
    Anybody wonder, why other niche (as well as the non-niche) vendors do not have a batch discussion?

    I can answer this question, I could even put a price tag with it: Creed is not willing to pay for an automized QA4-system in pre-production (that is in the initial mixes, before going large-scale) coupled with a quantumtest-unit in their production facilities. Tell that the guys over at COTY and they will laugh their heads off. The result is exactly what is described in this thread: products, that due to unwanted chemical cross-reactions fall flat of any quality standards. And no, that is not because Creed is a niche company - most other small companies are not experiencing these problems, as QA facilities are simply part of any production process and their utilization is priced into the retail prices.

    This means: Either Creed is greedy as hell by slashing costs in their production process to maximize profits without caring at all about what the customer gets for his bucks or they are unable to make a cut given their current product pricing (which is at $150 a bottle) and therefore temporarily have to take these extreme measures in production. Decide for yourself.
    As I understood what you're saying, you did not pretend you've visited the (in)famous Creed HQ, like some of those propagandizing for the brand preposterously infer, but you offered an informed hypothesis regarding what could explain the wild, multiply documented inconsistencies and defaults on quality. An interesting hypothesis.

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    Welcome back Mazel-troll...just intime for some weekend thrashing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp View Post
    Welcome back Mazel-troll...just intime for some weekend thrashing!
    Just put him on ignore.
    Last edited by adonis; 30th July 2011 at 03:47 AM.

  13. #343

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    Oh, give me a break, I am not "trolling," I just occasionally respond to only the most obvious Creed spamming. (I pretend to ignore the subtler one.)

    One should also note that vulgar, offensive sentences such as / "i do believe there's a term for what miner just peddled. it starts with "bull" and ends with "it". / do not seem to bother the valiant Creed lawyers team. It's only the responses.

  14. #344

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    You guys sound like you are fragrance experts but you have no basic clue about production processes?? People, they are even everywhere the same, that's industry standard Then again I maybe wouldn't know also if I would not have to, so nevermind...in short: you have a pre-processing stage used for mixing and test batches. This is a laboratory setting located wherever your nose is at. The production stage covers the cycle all the way to bottling. NO niche house has the production stage inhouse - never ever, you'd be lacking economies of scale. BUT: with the production stage being outsourced, you don't pay a flat fee for "production", but you pay for each and every single step (conservation, RM iterations, bottling; along with which machinery you use - necessary as production facilities don't only output EDTs but also room scents), so you can decide which level of QA you want to have. Given what is reported here, it is easy to see for everyone involved in the industry what is going on: Creed drastically and intentionally saves on QA, both in preproduction and production. And no, they surely do not have an own bottling facility

  15. #345

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    Quote Originally Posted by fumegator View Post
    not only that, but he has access INSIDE the facility, which is one of the most secretive in the world, and has detailed knowledge of their production equipment and capital.

    i do believe there's a term for what miner just peddled. it starts with "bull" and ends with "it".
    oh, what agression, my friend, please reread what I wrote, to clear up your misunderstandings. I have never been inside any fictious "secretive" production facilities of Creed - they do not exist I simply work in that industry and see the issues that are reported here quite frequently. Of course, feel free to enjoy your Creed bottles, I'd just be a bit more critical if someone intentionally tries to rip you off.

  16. #346

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    Overall, IMO Creed batch variations are overblown and dramatized to a large degree here at BN. More of the exception rather than the rule. There is never any intention on Creed's part to "rip off" anyone--that is ludicrous. Creed has megabucks in play and are fully invested in selling a quality product to maintain or grow their share of the fragrance market. Just like other houses, I understand Creed fragrances will not appeal to everyone for one reason or another.

    Martin

  17. #347

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    Quote Originally Posted by miner View Post
    Given what is reported here, it is easy to see for everyone involved in the industry what is going on: Creed drastically and intentionally saves on QA, both in preproduction and production.
    I go with DULLAH's theory: they are still tweaking around based on the feedback they receive. No matter how you look at it though it's unacceptable from a customer's point of view.

  18. #348

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    Quote Originally Posted by miner View Post
    oh, what agression, my friend, please reread what I wrote, to clear up your misunderstandings. I have never been inside any fictious "secretive" production facilities of Creed.
    oh okay so what you said is just a random guess. got it.

  19. #349

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    Quote Originally Posted by fumegator View Post
    oh okay so what you said is just a random guess. got it.
    Nope, you still don't got it fanboy, looks like you are bit slower than the other participants hahaha

  20. #350

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    Hi Guys,

    Did anybody had batch # A42B10K03.
    I saw same # ending with 02. Does last number makes huge difference?
    Last edited by priest; 3rd August 2011 at 06:50 AM.

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    All this seems so very unscientific. People are comparing what they are smelling or supposed to be smelling on what some guy halfway around the world says that he is smelling. I have smelled multiple samples of this fragrance and they all are the same. Im supposed to have one of the dreaded "bad" batches and it smells the same as every tester ive tried w different batch numbers. Has anyone collected multiple different batches and blind tested them at the same time? I realize that most people dont let facts get in the way of coming to a conclusion. Also, this may be the ultimate first world problem..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Also, this may be the ultimate first world problem..........
    That part I'll agree with. As far as scent differences, I have 3 different batches that I could easily blind identify. You can tell by the openings alone.

  23. #353

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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Also, this may be the ultimate first world problem..........
    Do you really want to go there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Also, this may be the ultimate first world problem..........
    Funniest line ever.. Lol!!!

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    Default Re: Aventus batch numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by priest View Post
    Hi Guys,

    Did anybody had batch # A42B10K03.
    I saw same # ending with 02. Does last number makes huge difference?
    Yes, that is a totally different batch. Lots of info on batch A42B10K03 on this forum if you do a search. Here are some of the posts:

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/267...=1#post2103435
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/267...=1#post2091182

  26. #356

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    I searched, however, couldn't find anything.
    It seems that seller is from "Cyrillic" country and typing batch number used some strange encoding. Thus browser search didn't find anything copying/pasting number from email.
    Sorry, my bad.
    Anyway, going to buy A42B10K03 2.5oz tester.

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    ^ The ones endiing with the K may be the poorest of the bunch.

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    Sad that this needs to be a discussion. Jesus, Creed.
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    ^ I agree. Aventus should be Aventus.....not aventus batch #.........

  30. #360

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    Hey guys i have A42b11N01, here's a great example of olfactory fatigue. I been testing it on my Arm and can't notice it after an hour. I sprayed some on my friend Kristas wrist and she could smell it no problem the next day. I think i use Aventus too often, with that said it's a great batch..love this stuff since it came out.

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