Wonder if it's the same batch as mine even though i bought 75ml.
Thread: Aventus batch numbers
EXCUSE ME, Tmoran, I have not ONCE mentioned YOU IN ANY of my posts, So kindly STOP mentioning me in yours !
You have personally criticized me several times now, by saying I have no experience, etcetera.
Keep your personal Innuendos to yourself sunshine. I have already reported you for doing it.
My posts have only ever commented about the topic and have not mentioned you once !
You have mentioned me twice now, claiming I have no experience and so on. Your personal opinions about me are not allowed here.
In you want to read between the lines and THINK I’m talking about you, then that’s YOUR Problem not mine ! ! I’m sensing a major Superiority Complex here.
My last post just agreed with another poster that claims the 14A01 batch is weak, and I STILL agree with that. There’s been several others posters here who have also said they found it weak too. My post didn’t mention you, nor did it have anything to do with you.
If my comment below irritates you then that’s your problem, and I suggest you get over yourself !
“ I agree with you 100% !
I was thoroughly disappointed with it too....I can't imagine why anyone would think that this is one of the strongest batches ever”
The operative word in my above comment is “ Anyone “ , not “Tmoran”
I didn’t mention you and wasn’t referring to you . There’s a guy who’s selling Aventus decants on the internet that refers to the 14A01 batch as “One of the strongest batches ever” with insane longevity and projection…. Once again, I disagree with that and that's my right to do so.
You’re not the Aventus King Tmoran, and not everyone’s opinion will be the same as yours. So just accept it and move on. Stop thinking it’s all about you and get off your high horse.
I’ve had enough of your harassment and if you continue, I shall report you once again.
Last edited by jasonwr; 15th September 2014 at 09:15 AM.
Wonder if it's the same batch as mine even though i bought 75ml.
IMHO its not so much about how long. Because fragrance can sit in a bottle for awhile and not develop at all because there is no air in the bottle. The concept is one of oxidation. And some believe it applies more to the natural elements in scents rather than the more stable synthetics. The idea is that once air (oxygen) is allowed to enter the bottle in a significant amount the fragrance in the bottle can change because the air oxidizes certain elements of the fragrances composition.
This is why some people prefer to only decant fragrances with a pipette or a syringe so that the fragrance remains unaffected by air. When you make a decant with from a bottle with an atomizer air is mixed with the fragrance and it can start to "evolve" before it even touches the skin. For some fragrances this is NOT a good thing. As you can get a spoiled or fermented type smell after some time. WIth creed ( and I have no idea why) many of their scents seem relatively weak when you first spray them. I cant tell you how many people have stated their GIT or MI was like scented water. I thought this too of every creed I own. But after getting as little as 10 -15ml out of the bottle and let some air in the bottle will help it along. For me I noticed it took a few weeks to a couple months to fully realize the potential of some fragrances from this house.
If you have a new bottle and want to try it get a 5ml atomizer and fill it half way. let it sit a week or two without using it. Maybe roll it over a couple times every other day to make sure air is mixing with the liquid. After that two weeks compare what is in the decant to what is in your bottle. Mind you this really only works on new bottles as older fragrances that are half empty have all ready gradually "aged" or "matured".
I have not stated my opinion of you nor did I insult you or criticize you. I stated facts pointing to contradictory statements you have made about the topic of this thread. I did not think this was a problem as you yourself were the one who made the statements. I was looking for clarification. Sorry you took offense. Also, If you werent referring to me with your comments then I apologize. They were strikingly similar to comments I have made both in this thread and via P.M. None of this was harassment despite your opinion otherwise. The only other thing is you have mentioned that opinions of one another are not allowed on this forum. While I dont remember saying anything directly about you or how I feel about you I did underline and bold some things you did direct my way in an attempt to guide you in following the very rules you pointed out to me. Thank you for your understanding.
Last edited by Tmoran; 15th September 2014 at 09:59 PM.
1. The bottle could have been tampered with. The old style atomizer with its ball bearing one way valve made refilling it all but impossible without removing the atomizer assembly and refitting it with a new one which meant it was more work than it was worth and almost always easy to spot as no one can get genuine creed atomizers. The newer atomizers lack this valve. So with $3 worth of rubber and a plastic syringe people are able to tamper with it much easier and no one is the wiser.
2. Your bottle may have been exposed to heat and or light. I doubt this to be the case only because it is such a new batch. And I know that bottles sit in the windows of the boutique all the time. I think it takes more time for something to go seriously wrong. Usually if something with natural elements in it were to go bad it would smell fermented, sour or just bad. I wouldnt usually smell weak or diluted.
3. The juice again is fresh. WIth a creed this will mean its not at its full potential. If its not number 1 or number 2 then this option holds some hope that your bottle will blossom with time. Again I recommend decanting some so as to get air in the decant and your bottle. Time is the second most important factor. Air is the first. WIthout air age will usually not be doing much.
4. The dreaded word of olfactory fatigue. Aventus is a powerful scent. So powerful that most longevity issues are reported by people wearing it who can no longer smell it. But if the longevity really was the issue then no one would compliment you as they shouldnt be able to smell it either. If you get compliments while you cant smell it on yourself this is no doubt the cause. Olfactory fatigue within a couple hours of wearing is more of an indication of a stronger batch than a weaker one.
1. You should not put aventus on your neck. You will increase your chances of olfactory fatigue. Especially with a strong batch. Spray only your arms. Preferably your wrists.
2. What other batches have you had to base a comparison on if you dont mind me asking?
Last edited by Tmoran; 16th September 2014 at 09:17 PM.
well thats kinda what I am getting on my 14a01 batch. Im really leaning towards olfactory fatigue in your case especially when you say you are spraying your neck. Now my only other question is you are saying the guy you bought it from bought it directly from the creed boutique and that your bottle is not gray market. But then you also say that others have bought the same thing from him. Something about that doesnt add up. The boutique doesnt offer wholesale pricing. So the guy either didnt get them from the boutique, or he is just doing charity work in the form of fragrances. I cant see any reason why a guy would buy multiple bottles of aventus from the boutique and then go sell them on facebook for a $150 loss. I could see the guy buying a bottle from the boutique, not liking it and then dumping it at a loss, but not multiples. Thats just not right.
Last edited by Tmoran; 16th September 2014 at 10:28 PM.
" I could see the guy buying a bottle from the boutique, not liking it and then dumping it at a loss, but not multiples. "
This also raises a larger question in my mind. Have you noticed that online grey market sellers almost always have the most popular Creeds available: Aventus, GIT, etc.? Grey market goods are supposed to be over-supplies in one market moving to another market, often at discount prices. You would expect to find the least popular Creeds predominating, not the best sellers.
Well, you may say, what's least popular in the Arab world comes to America where it's more popular. Ahaa! Back to the example above: If year after year fragrances like Aventus and Green Irish Tweed are not big sellers in the Arab world, why do they keep buying them in such large quantities only to dump them at cost or a loss on the grey market?
I suspect the answer is that a lot of counterfeit products are sold as grey market. How else to explain the steep discount? After all, there is nobody certifying what are "official grey market" goods, since the grey market is a rather lawless sub-culture of commerce. Your thoughts?
Last edited by MysteryBuff40; Yesterday at 04:51 AM.
One thing for certain, next time I purchase ANY fragrance, it'll be straight from the department store(s). I've purchased all my 14 bottles from either Macys and Nordstrom (minus Aventus of-course). It's so funny, I went to Nordstrom online and asked one of the representatives (online chat) what the current batch their shipping and he said "Aventus only uses the best ingredients and not all batches are the same." Even the department stores attempts to diverge away from the whole batch variation topic. Ugh, this whole experience has added nothing but unnecessary stress and grey hair. Anyone else with 14A01 batches?
^ Do. Macy's and Nordstroms not sell that particular batch of Aventus?
And this was with one spray. Fairly happy.
There is no loss on gray market from other countries as far as I know. I forget where I read it but it has to do with money exchange rates and that some countries actually buy fragrances at a cheaper price than other areas. Certain regions of the world get subsidized goods because the regions have a high poverty level and they wouldnt be able to sell fragrances at european and american price points as only the rich people in those countries could get their hands on them. So in those countries the fragrance price to the dealer is subsidized so that they can sell more quantity. The money exchange rate sometimes is also lower so when they get 100 american dollars it is much more there than what they could sell the bottle for locally. Certain dealers know this and figured out that they can actually make more money per bottle shipping it here and selling it on the gray market than selling it in their own country. And apparently enough so as to make it a worth while venture.
Last edited by Tmoran; Yesterday at 12:18 PM.
Creed could sell more quantity at lower prices any time it wants simply by lowering its prices or holding a sale. They don't. In fact, Creed has been raising prices and introducing an exclusives line at even higher prices than their regular scents. This tells me that they are marketing to an affluent audience, not trying to subsidize sales of luxury perfume to the poor.
Do you even understand the concept of luxury goods? Luxury products like Creed fragrances and Rolex watches and Rolls Royce cars are marketed to a wealthy audience. They are elite status symbols. They are products not everyone can afford. They have limited production runs and sell for very high prices by design. Creed is not interested in being McDonald's -- that's not the business model. Lowering prices so poor people can walk around with these products does not enhance the brand image.
Last edited by MysteryBuff40; Today at 02:37 AM.
A business paying full wholesale prices to Creed would then have to sell to a grey market wholesaler at a price that would allow that wholesaler to resell the product to businesses selling direct to the consumer so that you end up paying $116 to $200 for a bottle of Aventus that retails for $350. That's a lot of people taking their cut along the way, plus transportation and storage costs. It's a nickle and dime business model, not a profit center, for any luxury perfume retailer, with a lot of risk involved.
Last edited by MysteryBuff40; Today at 02:36 AM.
Glad i got a good batch.
We're seeing more and more brands allowing their products to be sold on the grey market. Montale, Serge Lutens, Penhaligons, Diptyque, Bond no 9 etc. Even Amouage has opened up their product to the grey market. Do you contend that these are all fakes, or it it just the Creeds that are fake? I've bought a bunch of 100ml L'artisan fragrances for around $60 each from the grey market, are they fake too?
Why do you seem to be the only guy coming up with these wacky theories, while the other 99% of Basenotes seems perfectly happy with their grey market fragrances? How come I can find hundreds upon hundreds of positive testimonies of grey market fragrance and dealers, but not a single substantiated negative testimony? If you have proof of retailers such as fragrancenet, fragrancex, BeautyEncounter etc selling fakes, feel free to link it here, otherwise I'll have to ignore these types of posts going forward.
hi gents, just wanted to thank you all for inputs on batches of our favorite fragrance - Aventus! i just joined to post here. so please forgive this newbie. i've been following the thread since last year and just now had the courage to join the discussion.
i love aventus, and i am the proud owner of 3 4oz. bottles with batches: s42b12d01b, c42b13nb01, and lt42b13t01. i also own a 30ml decant of a42b13x01. i'm currently using the d01b batch and i appreciate it for what it is. i am from the philippines and the creeds i get are mostly grey market stock. retail prices here are exorbitant and costs at least half a salary of a common worker.
anyway, aside from the x01 batch, i havent read much about my other batches on this thread. wanted to get inputs from creed experts on here.
I tried many many scents and just before buying Tom Ford Oud Wood I heard about Aventus and I love it.
Now I read about the batch issue (horrible!!!) and I have three batch numbers to choose from when I go to the stores:
I didn't find so much information about the last two batches...do you have any clues regarding scent, projection and longevity?
Which one should I buy??
Thanks for your help!!
Is there a batch number that is universally seen as the best?
At first I didn't like this batch and thought I'd got a weak batch, but now I realise its pretty potent.
It's a lot different to the 13W01 decant I had, much less smoky and also less pineapple but sweet.
I have "drawered" my bottle and put it away for awhile. I think I will get it back out next Spring and see if it has gained any potency. I just don't enjoy it enough in its present state. I'll let it age a bit.
Any comments on 12d01b, 13nb01, and 13t01? Anyway, have the chance to get a fourth bottle. Should i get another t01, which i mostly enjoy for its longevity, or get a 13q01, which i havent tried yet? I love aventus, regardless of fruitiness or smokiness. Im more concerned with longevity and projection. So which between t01 and q01 should i get?