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  1. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    I quite agree. This is getting good!
    P.S. If you've ever had a transaction turn sour, you can appreciate the need for some kind of track record for this kind of forum with people coming and going from who knows where.
    +1 on the drama factor...

    Yes, Kumquat... that seems to be the point of the rules.

    Persistent hotheaded and self-confessed as confrontational posts might not be getting OP what he wanted, but are indeed entertaining, while they last. And is it just me, or is the post count not going up for the OP? Irony or a glitch?
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  2. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by le grand duc View Post
    lol hahaha this is the best part of this thread =)

  3. #63

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    Interesting that his post count is not going up. I would say maybe after this rant he would make 500 posts. Oh well.

    I look forward to your video bashing the entire Basenotes community. I've seen your videos, you are pretty funny.

  4. #64

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    No, its not what your post is about, like I said I agree with at least one point. It is how you handled it that makes me think, wow if I did a swap with this guy and didn't get a chance to respond to his email wtf would happen? Would he leave negative feedback and then start a thread about how bad of a member I am?

    There are ways to handle these situations with tact. You intentionally posted to push peoples buttons and whether I agree with what you are saying or not it's irrelevant, I don't like the way you went about it.

    What I meant when I said, you are not helping the case (if you insist on exists) is that you clearly stated that you are a reviewer and there is a problem between youtube reviewers and basenotes. This was very much an "us" and "them" type of statement. If that is how you feel, then you are representing your side very poorly.

  5. #65

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    And I'm wondering "to myself" what Basenoter in their right mind would want to make any sort of transaction with the OP if they'd seen this thread? Not me!
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    Take a hike.
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  7. #67

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    You signed off on the rules to become a member. The rules call for respect. If people don't get back to you as you'd like, you don't get to issue yourself a license to ignore the rules that you said you'd respect when you signed up.

    You tried to use the Male Fragrance Discussion board to get a swap. That's against the rules. On your thread you made posts at least twice seeking a swap. You were seeking a swap and posted seeking it twice. On a forum where it's against the rules to do marketplace things.

    I don't know if I'm the only one but I'm sure one who reported your abuse of the rules and the site to the moderators. I clicked the report post button on your at least second post saying you'd like to arrange a swap. Members aren't allowed to do what you did so you're not allowed to do it.

    It's respect for all the members who do follow the marketplace rules that demands you get your infraction. I'd give you one for discussing your grievance with the moderating team in public and I hope you've gotten one. Fortunately for everyone I think you make such a fool of yourself here that you make the readers sympathetic to whomever you're complaining about.

    So in that way you make justice served by your complaining.

    When you abuse the rules of the site I'll be reporting them.
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  8. #68

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    ^^^ what they said!
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  9. #69

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    Basenotes is actually pretty gangsta. Forget about the bickering back and forth, and look at it from my perspective. I wrote them 4 long emails introducing myself and why I feel I could be a good contributor in the swap forum section. 4 emails and 10 months later I didn't even get a "No sorry". Than I mentioned the word swap. NOT an actual swap, just that I mentioned it in casual conversation.. Like ahh damn they still won't let me in the swap thread. And just because I said that, I got a nasty private message, an infraction message and a message saying my account has been disabled. I bring it here thinking people are gonna be like woah thats crazy, and instead they get the support of everyone ROFL!! This is some gangsta organization, they are like the mafia of the fragrance world with their peons in check. I bow down. I surrender to the mob. 1 vs 100. I have lost. Off to fragrantica I go.
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  10. #70

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    You come across very antagonistic and like a complete malcontent.

  11. #71

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    No offense, but I think several of you are just ganging up on the OP and are trying to group shame him. Aromi for instance took a general comment that was out of frustration (and might not have been entirely incorrect for a few respondents) and took it as a license to personally insult OP - that's not cool bro, and it kind of hurts your credibility to resort to name calling.

    And like most mob-mentalities, many have just jumped on the bandwagon, instead of following entirely and objectively what was said - he basically felt maligned by the moderators, came on here to vent (after getting no satisfaction repeatedly following the proper channels), and the general response was it doesn't matter what the mods did, it was his fault. Everybody has a right to like/not like the OP or deal in the future/not deal in the future with him, just don't lie to yourselves that your reasoning is a little irrational and suspect. This is coming from someone who didn't necessarily agree with his "You Tube credibility" argument in the first place - but when I see bullying, I'm gonna call it what it is.

  12. #72

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    +1 to that mrclmind. And his own worst enemy. "Fighting" himself and lost, pretty much, is how I see it.
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  13. #73
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    You don't seem to get it. Respect here and any forum comes from familiarity....and that can only come with time and investing something of yourself.

    You're an assertive person. So am I. If you backpeddled a bit and started interacting on the boards while continuing your reviews on YT, you'd find there are numerous stand up people on these forums.

    Stick around and show us something other than this.

  14. #74

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    I just wanted to add a couple of thoughts to this discussion.
    Like any community, Basenotes is whatever its members make it. That includes all of us, new folks and old fogies alike. If we choose to behave like children, responding defensively and aggressively to any perceived insult, this is the identity we will take on as a community. If we choose to address each other respectfully and with good intentions, that is what our community will reflect.
    I have chosen to participate in this community for a long time because I find that it generally reflects that values that I hold important. I have found the community to be generous, forgiving, tolerant, and welcoming. When I was a new member here I would regularly receive PMs offering me samples of fragrances I had posted inquiries about. And as my own sample drawer has grown, I return the favor, passing on samples to new members and curious fragrance newbies.
    I have also posted some seriously dumb things in the past. I have been judgmental, rash, and insensitive at times. Hopefully, I am more often thoughtful and measured in my posts. But I am human and emotional like all of us here. Thankfully, most folks have responded to me with kind words and encouragement, as well as some well timed criticism when it was needed.
    And we do get heated here sometimes. The format of the internet makes it impossible that everyone will be perfectly understood, and personalities clash or whatever. But name calling, character assassination, and insults are usually avoided. The overwhelming response of the community has always been to manage those things with as little drama and as much grace as possible. People who want a different experience generally get bored and go elsewhere.
    So yes, the moderators enforce the rules and Grant runs the site, but it is the members of this community who create Basenotes and are responsible for the tone of the place. We get to determine how we treat eachother.
    So Gunea, I’m sorry that we pissed you off. Honestly. I hope you can stay and find interesting things to read about and contribute to. But, please understand that you will get out of this community what you bring to it. You get to choose what that is.

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  15. #75

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    Force of One: From the "get-go" the OP adopted a confrontational tone, in a forum where the rules ask for otherwise.

    Respect is earned, not given, in life, and in a community such as Basenotes. The OP never bothered with that small detail.

    Stating specifically that his confrontational tone was intentional does not help his case at all.

    Why should we give him respect or the benefit of a doubt?
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    I read his posts. I read his argument. It was without merit. I found him lacking in respect and thinking the rules didn't apply to him. I personally don't need his rants in my life. I put him on ignore.
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  17. #77

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    Friends, I can't speak to all the history and specific actions of moderating, but moderating is tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbe View Post
    I read his posts. I read his argument. It was without merit. I found him lacking in respect and thinking the rules didn't apply to him. I personally don't need his rants in my life. I put him on ignore.
    same
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  19. #79

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    Good advice, which I will follow shortly, kbe and RHM!
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  20. #80

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of One View Post
    No offense, but I think several of you are just ganging up on the OP and are trying to group shame him. Aromi for instance took a general comment that was out of frustration (and might not have been entirely incorrect for a few respondents) and took it as a license to personally insult OP - that's not cool bro, and it kind of hurts your credibility to resort to name calling.

    And like most mob-mentalities, many have just jumped on the bandwagon, instead of following entirely and objectively what was said - he basically felt maligned by the moderators, came on here to vent (after getting no satisfaction repeatedly following the proper channels), and the general response was it doesn't matter what the mods did, it was his fault. Everybody has a right to like/not like the OP or deal in the future/not deal in the future with him, just don't lie to yourselves that your reasoning is a little irrational and suspect. This is coming from someone who didn't necessarily agree with his "You Tube credibility" argument in the first place - but when I see bullying, I'm gonna call it what it is.
    I certainly hope that's not is what is happening. I think the extremely defensive nature of the posts and the idea that he is trying to create drama because he didn't get his way merits people calling him out on it. If there has been any bullying, it has not been the majority of the posters who have contributed to it. I think most of us have kept a very level head personally. I hope he sticks around and gets through this.

    I do admit this thread has become somewhat entertaining like watching a "Real Housewives" episode on Bravo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by actiasluna View Post
    Force of One: From the "get-go" the OP adopted a confrontational tone, in a forum where the rules ask for otherwise.
    I disagree - I would say "frustrated" was more like it. It only escalated when people started making it personal (in numbers aganst him, mind you)

    Respect is earned, not given, in life, and in a community such as Basenotes. The OP never bothered with that small detail.
    Maybe not, but common courtesy should be. Again "it takes two to tango" and in these case several more. I agree he could have let it go on several occassions, but that does not excuse those of you who antagonized it. Even yourself saying he was fighting himself and "lost" was sort of a swipe on the way out. Most all of you involved could have bit your lip or ignored the thread, instead of insulting the guy.

    Hey we can agree to disagree - I just think it disengenous to put all the blame on him or deny he got ganged up on. I think most of us would not take kindly to that sort of treatment.

  22. #82

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    ah hopeless
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  23. #83
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    How can you be "banned" and then come back under a new username?

  24. #84

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    Mrclmind - well I certainly respect your opinion and value your reviews to the highest level on here. I guess we can sort of agree to disagree to a point. I will agree this has been entertaining - I'm just saying a few "stoked the fire" a little over zealously.

    Kbe had a sensible suggestion - blocking him if you didn't agree with him or didn't like him. God knows there are tons of other threads/reviews to read on here. I'm not sure I would agree with him that neither or his arguments had any merit, especially the one regarding his interactions with the mods. Just my opinion......

  25. #85

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guinea54 View Post
    For those of you who saw my point or what I was getting at, thanks for being brave enough to put in your 2 cents. But I am being more confrontational than I would like to at this point. The bottom line is, SOME of the admins on here would have their time better spent actually replying back to sincere emails than scouring the forums like a pirate looking to ban or abuse their admin privileges at slightest excuse. That is the real point of the thread. Not about me, or me not being accepted into the buy forum, or me wanting special privileges. It was the fact that I was completely ignored for a year, but the VERY MILLISECOND the admins had a chance to reply back with something negative, and give out a ban, they did it with ludicrous speed. That is what I found disheartening. It is almost like if its not a negative response, you don't get any response at all. And I feel the ban was unjust, so that just adds to it. the end.
    The second time you posted seeking the swap on MFD I reported it. The second time. That a rule violation was present and reported you should think of as the cause of the swift action.
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    You better believe you're not my bro slice. I don't hang with chicks with dicks.
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    Take a hike.
    Quote Originally Posted by mrclmind View Post
    You come across very antagonistic and like a complete malcontent.

    Quite, quite and quite.

    Being insulting, pushy and generally causing a scene with Admin,Moderators and Basenoters will not get you a warm welcome.
    Bye bye to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AromiErotici View Post
    How can you be "banned" and then come back under a new username?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AromiErotici View Post
    Sense of entitlement unlocks a door or two.
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  29. #89

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    @DustB

    rofl@ I had to take action and report you SWIFTLY! Get a life dude jesus.
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    Force of One, I believe that you are missing the point. At any time the OP could have said ... "oh, yeah, the rules. I guess I won't do that again. Guess I should read the rules, huh." But he didn't. We do not know and only have his word that no moderator ever contacted him other than to "ban" him... we only have his "stirring the shit" thread here to go on.

    So I'm skeptical of his claims and definitely not "fond" of his tone.

    And I maintain that he has indeed been his own worst enemy here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guinea54 View Post
    @DustB

    Seriously, I didn't want to come off rude anymore, but you really irritate me. There is a guy who called me a chick with a dick, and I am not reporting them. And I am sure no one else will either. If you really go around posts all day long reporting people "swiftly" as you say it, you really need to get a life. You sound like a real big loser with a capital L. Get a freakin life. UR the exact type of mentality that this WHOLE POST IS ABOUT. People like YOU! ruin forums and make them into some kind of cult mentality.

    I never did a swap with anyone in that thread, someone wrote a comment to me about putting your swap offers in ur signature as a way of getting around it. The post I got banned for was the EXACT one I quoted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DustB View Post
    Sense of entitlement unlocks a door or two.
    Chris, I have no sense...or sense of untitlement. I am just one small piece in the giant puzzle that is the Great Unwashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AromiErotici View Post
    Chris, I have no sense...or sense of untitlement. I am just one small piece in the giant puzzle that is the Great Unwashed.
    My friend, it does take a lot of people to make a world, doesn't it?
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    you know what huckleberry, huckleberry owns my soul. NANNNY NANNNY POO POOO I WILL REPORT YOUUU>> NEENER NEENER NEEENER, I am the keep of the peace. Bow down to father. I report myself for sense crimes..

    Watch the movie equilibrium.
    Last edited by Guinea54; 20th January 2011 at 02:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guinea54 View Post
    you know what huckleberry, Although you openly admit or perhaps lying about being the one to report me, it seems that you would admit that to me to get a reaction. Most people would be embarrassed to admit they go around threads reporting people "swiftly" for such trivial things when it is not their job to do so. But you on the other hand are open and proud about it. I have to give you credit for that at least. "requires swift action" I really don't know how people could read your statements and not want to friggin puke. rofl. I gotta admit you really sound like such a snobby nerd saying that, U did a great job at evoking a nasty response from me when I really wanted to leave in peace.

    and to the guy who called me a chick with a dick.. that sounds really mature for a 54 yr old. How come no one is saying anything to you about that rude comment? cause the gang is focused on just me?
    I clearly give you a lot of material to put in your rofl-pipe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by actiasluna View Post
    Force of One, I believe that you are missing the point. At any time the OP could have said ... "oh, yeah, the rules. I guess I won't do that again. Guess I should read the rules, huh." But he didn't. We do not know and only have his word that no moderator ever contacted him other than to "ban" him... we only have his "stirring the shit" thread here to go on.

    So I'm skeptical of his claims and definitely not "fond" of his tone.

    And I maintain that he has indeed been his own worst enemy here.
    About the only thing I can agree with is that he has definitely not relented and those who weren't fond of his tone would only become more so.

    Without belaboring this, I think several of you all missed the points (plural). While I don't agree necessarily with his "you tube cred = being able to post in the marketplace" argument, I can see where he is coming from at least. I also a) understand this is not a democracy and b) completely understand Grants constraints dictating policy. That said - the majority of you were hearing NONE of what he had to say about unbalanced interactions with the mods. I would have thought the fact that a few others spoke of similar experiences would have given him some benefit of the doubt. But human nature as it is, I understand many of you were sufficiently turned off to really hear what he had to say. All I am saying is that is NOT a logical or rational argument that his points have no merits.

    And not trying to be a renegade, but CLEARLY a few of the most recent posts by DustB, Mimi G, and Aromi (to a lesser degree) can be objectively seen as confrontational, antagonistic, and personal in nature. I'm simply saying as an impartial observer, it seems a little click-y and is certainly no better than what several have accused him off. Mob-mentality what it is though, people feel embolden in numbers. That's all

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    Here's what I think has happened to this conversation....

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    Guinea54,
    You mentioned this started about 10 months ago (sorry if I got that wrong but I only skimmed as it is late and I am tired) but just wanted to say if you had just waited it out another 2 months you would be where you wanted to be in terms of being able to join the marketplace. I am a newbie here and have only had positive experiences so far and the one time I contacted a mod because I had a question I received a very prompt (thank you) and polite reply. Of course that is only one experience but I believe (for the most part) that you reap what you sow and by being kind others will respond in kind.

    I am sorry you felt/feel slighted but if your true goal is to be able to join the marketplace then I recommend you start being a friendly member in this community and sharing your vast knowledge of fragrances. I am sure you can easily reach that goal.

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    @aromi

    Neener neener
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    Relentless on the 2nd post explaining a different expect? IT somehow doesn't seem right comign from someone doing waah waah 20-25 posts straight. Teach us more oh wise one - the king of the world. And please chose chinese this time as you suggested.

    Ignore button now.

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    Wow you are relentless. No I contacted them because I wasn't sure if they would make exceptions or hear individual cases or not. Especially someone doing reviews in the fragrance community for 8 months with 500 subscribers. Again you will play devils advocate till u faint. I don't understand how you can't see the snobbery here. That 4 emails and 10 months later I don't even get a single response, but when an admin wants to say something nasty to you or give you an unwarranted infraction they reply with the speed of light. I didn't deserve an infraction for my post. That is the bottom line. I wasn't swapping with anyone, what is so hard to comprehend, maybe I will speak in Chinese back to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guinea54 View Post
    Most people would be embarrassed to admit they go around threads reporting people "swiftly" for such trivial things when it is not their job to do so. But you on the other hand are open and proud about it. I have to give you credit for that at least. "requires swift action" I really don't know how people could read your statements and not want to friggin puke
    Guinea, I would really like you to stay here, but maybe this just isn't the place for you. Let me explain what it's like. Then you can decide if it's right for you. I hope it is, personally.

    There's no shame in what DustB (his name is Chris) did. You don't seem to understand why this place is so civil. It's like an internet version of a city without crime. Check this out. My FRIENDS here report me when I get out of line. Not to get me in trouble. Not to screw me over. To KEEP me part of the community. If I blow my stack or get angry, the thread gets reported. I GET REPORTED. If I break the rules big-time, it gets reported. Yeah, around here there is zero tolerance for market-talk in the regular threads. Just the way it is. Keep the discussion interesting and focused, IMO, but probably cramps the style of the seller types. But we all agreed.

    What's going on here is you're getting some crap because you're way out of line, but you're so new that you're getting a major pass. Yeah, some of it was a bit too tit-for-tat. Tempers flared. Please, please, please just chill out. Yeah, it does seem like a dogpile. Just let it go. You had a good point originally - cross-trust with other sites would be good. But Grant is a one-man show. Maybe the other mods should be authenticating market trust exceptions. Good idea. The topic for another thread, hopefully not entitled "Pissed off at basenotes".

    More seriously - can you deal with a forum where your buds would narc on you for breaking the rules? If you can't, I can understand. But it does work, amazingly. We all AGREED, VOLUNTARILY, to these rules, and we hold each other to them. That's why it works. Why don't you give it a try? You're getting a second chance under this username.
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    Tell you what. I know nothing of your initial intentions to swap or trade or whatever it was to start this difference of opinion.

    I said in an earlier post that you need to earn being known here in some fashion. I have no bottles for sale or swap, but I do have samples. Send me a pm with what you're looking to sample and I'll start by sending you some if I have them.

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    @redneck perfumisto.

    I suggest you watch the movie equilibrium. Seriously. Your response REALLY reminded me of that movie. I think if you watch that movie, I wouldn't even need to reply back to you, as you would understand what I was going to say already.

    BUt I will say this. I wouldn't consider anyone a "friend" who would bother to report me without talking to me directly if they had a problem with something I have said or done. You can't be a rat and someones friend at the same time in the real world, so why should this place be any different. Please see that movie. I think you will find it interesting about "the greater good"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of One View Post
    Without belaboring this, I think several of you all missed the points (plural). While I don't agree necessarily with his "you tube cred = being able to post in the marketplace" argument, I can see where he is coming from at least. I also a) understand this is not a democracy and b) completely understand Grants constraints dictating policy. That said - the majority of you were hearing NONE of what he had to say about unbalanced interactions with the mods. I would have thought the fact that a few others spoke of similar experiences would have given him some benefit of the doubt. But human nature as it is, I understand many of you were sufficiently turned off to really hear what he had to say. All I am saying is that is NOT a logical or rational argument that his points have no merits.

    And not trying to be a renegade, but CLEARLY a few of the most recent posts by DustB, Mimi G, and Aromi (to a lesser degree) can be objectively seen as confrontational, antagonistic, and personal in nature. I'm simply saying as an impartial observer, it seems a little click-y and is certainly no better than what several have accused him off. Mob-mentality what it is though, people feel embolden in numbers. That's all
    Force of One, I've always enjoyed interactions with you. You suggest that points have been missed about interactions with mods. I haven't missed them in mind, but I haven't been clear about explaining my reaction to the points. Let me do so now. I think his points about interactions with the mods are OUTWEIGHED by other factors that are more important. I'll tell you straight out it looks to me like this man has a sense of entitlement (you even don't agree with his point that he should get marketplace access) and cannot take responsibility for his own actions. Instead his reaction is to blame the interaction with the mods. That is outweighed by the more important fact that he abused the rules and wrote himself license to abuse them. Further, in his arguments he continues to misrepresent his actions and abuses of the rules.

    Modding is tough. You can't hold all unhappy members's hands with telling them something they don't want to hear. It isn't a perfect world and it isn't a perfect mod all the time. Much of a mod's duty is just relating what the rules are and that brings many members to feel offended. It's a rotten fact. Look at this once-member and imagine what it would be like. There isn't a perfect way of keeping rule breaking, misbehaving, entitlement seeking members comfortable so they don't feel entitled to complaining about their interactions with mods. Grant, the owner of the site has on this thread talked about all the work that goes into it and how that makes constraints on everyone's time.

    I hear you that you've had an interaction with a mod or moderators that left you unhappy. I'm sorry about that, when I was a mod and since I had and now have no knowledge of that event and I don't dismiss your interest in this thread because you feel unhappy with interactions with mods of your own. I want to say it's regrettable when there are unhappy and regrettable interactions between people and between mods and members. But it happens and mods aren't perfect, don't have all available energy, and are sometimes uncomfortably brief. It is regrettable, but it comes with the territory of making the more important rules followed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AromiErotici View Post
    Tell you what. I know nothing of your initial intentions to swap or trade or whatever it was to start this difference of opinion.

    I said in an earlier post that you need to earn being known here in some fashion. I have no bottles for sale or swap, but I do have samples. Send me a pm with what you're looking to sample and I'll start by sending you some if I have them.
    Count me in on this. Respect to Aromi for making the effort to get back to what REALLY makes this a good forum. If my read is right on Guinea, he has the integrity to squash this on his end as well. Both of you feel free to look at what I have samples of and let me know if you want to try something. Peace.

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    DustB - I hear you man. None of us is perfect. While I don't quite see it the same way you do, I respect your opinion and right to it. That's basically how most problems in life stem - a misunderstanding that escalates and escalates until it's something much bigger and often far removed from that catalyst.

    My sample offer extends to you to. No hard feelings as gentleman can agree to disagree! Thanks for writing

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    Hey.....I'm 54 over here...and this olive branch I'm holding is getting heavy as hell.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guinea54 View Post
    @redneck perfumisto.

    I suggest you watch the movie equilibrium. Seriously. Your response REALLY reminded me of that movie. I think if you watch that movie, I wouldn't even need to reply back to you, as you would understand what I was going to say already.

    BUt I will say this. I wouldn't consider anyone a "friend" who would bother to report me without talking to me directly if they had a problem with something I have said or done. You can't be a rat and someones friend at the same time in the real world, so why should this place be any different. Please see that movie. I think you will find it interesting about "the greater good"
    Great topic! I love that movie. It's not a simple ending in real life, however. Even as an art lover, I don't deceive myself that the film's ending is any less simplistic than the ones where the hunky action hero and the hot heroine go off and make babies. I don't want to get into all the complexities of the whole thing, but more importantly...

    - generally speaking, we report threads, and let the mods decide how to break things up
    - we may be reporting a fight involving our friends and our antagonists both, without knowing the outcome
    - we are probably actually ON the thread talking to the person. LIKE RIGHT NOW.

    but most importantly....

    - we know that our friends aren't going to get doped up with happy juice or roasted alive. They're going to cool off and thank us later by PM.

    So, yes, it's kind of like Equilibrium, but without the bad stuff.

    Anyway, it seems like everybody is cooling off. Presumably somebody reported this thread, since Grant showed up to give us a good example.

    I'm outa here, guys. See you on the boards, Guinea!
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    Guinea concedes.
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    Solution: EVERYONE....
    *screaming like a little girl* SHUUUTTTT UPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!! EEEEEEEEKK

    No really, everyone chill it's a god damn fragrance forum. I wanna see the look on the person's face who comes on here and sees this...

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    Pearls before swine. The longer the barnyard opera continues the more the horned pig gets to sing. End it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neurosis View Post
    I wanna see the look on the person's face who comes on here and sees this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post
    This comment is just as bad or worse than anything the OP said. Completely uncalled for. The fact that I'm the first (second, maybe?) to call you out on it doesn't do anything, I'm sure, to change the OP's opinion regarding the clique-like behavior sometimes (often?) evidenced here.
    My friend, I could care less what you think about anything pertaining to me.

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    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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    ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guinea54 View Post
    @dustB

    I feel I was perhaps entitled to an email back that said, "No sorry, Only members with 500, 1,500, or paid subscribers only" Even though I bother to make videos and put myself out there, act like a jerk to make people laugh etc, I don't feel entitled to anything on this site. I know most people here don't even like the whole youtube thing anyway. I simply suggested that reviewers on youtube who have a good rapport in the community would make good candidates for swap/buy/sell transactions. That is my opinion. In my quest to use the trade forum, I couldn't find the rules anywhere, every time I looked for info the links were broken etc. I emailed the Admins multiple times requesting information and introducing myself and what I had to offer. That didn't work either. What got me angry was the fact that instead of any kind of response to my inquiries, I found them very responsive and very quick to send out violations, bans, infractions and nasty comments. See what I am saying ? Its not about the rules, or about me being special. It is the POINT that they are too busy to answer you back, but at the same time, they are perfectly capable of sending you a nasty message and a ban very quickly over shit that is in my eyes trivial. I have tried so many times to make my point clear. You can disagree with the POINT, but that is not what you and many others are doing. You are pulling your own points out of your ass and completely disregarding my message completely. I am saying apples and people keep saying oranges. Agree or disagree with what I AM SAYING.

    THE POINT- I think it is more productive for admins to focus their priorities first on helping members and answering emails and questions or other services than it is to put their priority on sending out infractions and nasty comments over rules that are ambiguous at best.

    Formula for thought-

    Statement- 4 honest, sincere emails asking questions and introducing myself humbly into the community
    Action-.. Ignored, Time interval -10 months.

    statement- " has anyone ever heard of this fragrance, I would like to learn more about it, It is something I would want to swap, but im not allowed on the damn swap forum"
    Action- immediate response, rude email, Infraction and ban. Time interval- Immediately.
    I guess you did feel entitled to a response to your emails. (joking.. sort of. There's always some truth in jest, no? )

    Guinea, the thing you have to be aware of is that a lot of people try to squeeze seemingly random comments about swapping or selling into a thread about something else in hopes that someone will PM them to arrange the swap or sale, thus sidestepping the rules for the marketplace. When us veterans see people make references to swapping or selling and see those references inserted into an otherwise on-topic post, a red flag goes up. We've just seen people try that stunt far too many times. I'm not saying that was your intention, but honestly, in this case, it doesn't matter as it's not a matter of intent. The reason they responded swiftly is because you were reported. It's like.. in a perfect world police officers would stop to shake the hand of a boy scout who helps an old lady across the street. They'd take the time to answer any and all questions about the law. But, they don't. They'd direct you to a court or lawyer to discuss the law. They drive right past that kid helping the old lady. In a perfect world.. yes, in a perfect world they would. But as it is, they respond - and at least around here, rather quickly - to calls regarding the law being broken. When a transgression is reported, the lights go on and they're there to investigate.

    Now, I do agree that some protocols should be changed when dealing with a moderator. Perhaps there could be a way to involve a second or third moderator when a situation escalates, to help prevent it from getting personal. I'd like to see a standardized protocol for this, not just some hodge-podge arrangement. It is not cool when you feel you have been unfairly accused or are being treated too harshly, and have no recourse but to "sit down and shut up." We really do need to figure something out in regards to handling these kinds of situations, because this thread clearly shows that it is not only you who has had very negative interactions with the moderators in scenarios such as these.
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    I think there's an echo in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AromiErotici View Post
    My friend, I could care less what you think about anything pertaining to me.
    So you ask the OP to own up to his mistakes, while refusing to do so yourself? The irony is amusing, sure, but all in all it's just rather sad. What have you won if you've become the enemy to win the war?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post
    So you ask the OP to own up to his mistakes, while refusing to do so yourself? The irony is amusing, sure, but all in all it's just rather sad. What have you won if you've become the enemy to win the war?
    Have you read everything I've posted in this thread....or just what you wanted to see?

    And while you and I are at it, I have something to say to you in regards to samples I sent you a few years back that were of no charge or reciprocation to you, yet you never had the decency to even acknowledge them via a pm.

    Save your preaching for the choir my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AromiErotici View Post
    Have you read everything I've posted in this thread....or just what you wanted to see?

    And while you and I are at it, I have something to say to you in regards to samples I sent you a few years back that were of no charge or reciprocation to you, yet you never had the decency to even acknowledge them via a pm.

    Save your preaching for the choir my friend.
    I have read the rest now - my initial post was made before finishing the thread because I was so worked up by what I read.

    Regarding the samples you sent me, I am truly sorry if I didn't acknowledge them at the time. As it has been so long I can't recall why that may have happened, but there is no excuse for it.

    Without trying to deflect from the issue or the apology, is it necessary to bring up a years old issue that was never discussed prior, when all I did was call you out on something you have admitted was wrong? I'd like to see this thread keep at least a single wheel on the rail.

    PS - kudos to you for offering the olive branch.
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