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    Default Arabian Oud - Kalemat

    I have to say, I'm like a kid in a sweet shop right now with Arabian Oud. I picked up a few mukhallats and a bottle of Kalemat edt last week.

    Kalemat was entered (by Arabian Oud) into the regional FIFI 2010 (perfume oscars) and came out on top in the "my favorite perfume of the year".

    Anyway, because of this, I bought a bottle - and I really, really like it. It's a lovely blend of sweet orientals (grape musk flower, rosemary flower, star anise) & rich woods (cashmere(?) and mahogany wood).

    Beautiful opening, unisex but erring on the masculine, with a long, sweet spicy dry down.

    Really good longevity on my skin (8 hrs) and moderate silage.

    Highly recommend this one - certainly not cutting edge, but really well put together and wonderfully balanced.

    Anyone else tried it?

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    Thanks for the suggestion. I have bought some Arabian oud oils once in a store, and I like them a lot. But I do not have access to the line, so I cannot smell.

    The description at zahras perfumes says spicy floriental (incense, basil,cedarwood,vanilla), which sounds a little strange, your description is much more informative. (but what is grape musk flower?)

    Also, did you find the spray well balanced? In my past experience with sprays, I had the impression that many arabian houses (masters in the oil medium) hadn't really mastered perfumes in alcohol.

    cacio

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    It has been a while since I last visited Arabian Oud. I'll check out Kalemat, but like cacio I'm not generally a fan of perfume sprays from Arabian houses.

    Which mukhallets did you get?

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    The spray was very good - it really could be a "mainstream" western release in my opinion.

    Re mukhallets - I started out siraj and asala with but I'd be very happy to receive any recommendations - they're all new to me.

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    Thanks. "mainstream" western doesn't sound too enticing, as most mainstream western are rather unexciting. But I'll take it to mean "Good, non-niche, western".

    I own a little of Al Azerya (?or something like this), which is a good smooth oud-creamy saffron-rose combination (richer on the saffron. or perhaps it's sandalwood. I wouldn't know, I've never smelled real India sandalwood).
    And also I have an oud which I believe is called Syoufi. Aged oud, it opens with some "fecal" note, then becomes very dry-woody. Also very good.

    But I'm no expert so I wouldn't know how they compare with the average Arabian oil.

    How are siraj and asala? worth buying? siraj sounds like it could be very interesting.

    cacio

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    Siraj is excellent! You were lucky to find it. It was discontinued a number of years ago and I haven't seen it my area for at least three years. Isn't the packaging cool?

    There was another older one named Bahrain, in a bottle shaped like a dhow. It is also very good, and inexpensive. I can't find it in my area. If you see it you might want to consider buying it.

    I'm sure I've sampled Asala but I don't remember anything specific about it.

    Al-Qasr is another good one. It doesn't come prepackaged so you will have to buy it by the tola/half tola/quarter tola, etc. It is more expensive than Siraj or Bahrain but is one of their better quality mukhallets at a reasonable price. It is nowhere as expensive as mukhallets like Riyadh or Abdulaziz or pure ouds like Sioufi or Hindi, all of which are excellent if you want to spend that much.

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    Thanks for the suggestions, I'll take note.

    Zahras still has siraj and bahrain in the catalog, but of course this doesn't mean that they have it. (they don't seem to have al-qasr though). Siraj has "Mysore sandalwood" listed in the ingredients, I wonder if it's still so, given that sandalwood harvest has been forbidden.

    I wish they'd open a store in the US as well. One cannot really buy stuff blind online. My only experience was in their store in Paris, and of course there is little one can do on a quick visit during travel (especially if, as in paris, the nose is tired from so much sniffing).

    cacio

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    There is no standard way of transliterating Arabic into English, so Al-Qasr could be spelled Alcazar, Alcaser, Al-Kasr, etc. So you might check for different spellings.

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    Noggs:

    oh, yes, now I see it, it's called Mukhallat Kaser in there. $28/tola.

    Interestingly, I noticed that Zahra's catalog says that Al Azrya (which I own) has been substituted (?) by Siraj. anyhow, I can see the flower-saffron/sandalwood-oud accord in both.

    I loved reading the names of the sprays. Under no circumstances would I want to purchase something called Madame Deluxia, but I'm really curious to smell it!

    cacio

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    Sorry, yes, by mainstream I meant an excellent, niche scent that would appeal to many - purely because it smells so good.

    I went back and bought a 1/4 tola of pure oud oil, recommended by one of my saudi colleagues - in english it is dhen oud al kas (?) - was SAR1300/tola...reason I bought it was because it was a pure oud, no faecal opening notes, dries into a wonderful nutty, woody, dry scent - great longevity too.

    Siraj is great, would grab some if you see it - wearing it today, and it transforms throughout the day, great scent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacio View Post
    oh, yes, now I see it, it's called Mukhallat Kaser in there. $28/tola.
    I think that is something different. Al-Qasr is definitely much more expensive, like $160/tola here in Saudi and probably more than that from Zahra's.

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    You're making me really curious. The Arabian oud website doesn't list anything, but this is not indicative, since their website is rather disappointing (and they have no online store). Just a spray called Mukhallat Qaser, no price. It's very possible that they are different oils. Or that Zahra's catalog is wrong. Sometimes, they list stuff that they don't have.

    thecentennial:
    is this Al Kas also from Arabian Oud?

    I only wish this stuff was available in the US. I will really have to go to the Gulf someday...

    cacio

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    Unfortunately all the Arabian perfume houses have terrible websites.

    Another one I really like is Saif Al-Arab, but it's not a traditional Arabic type smell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacio View Post
    You're making me really curious. The Arabian oud website doesn't list anything, but this is not indicative, since their website is rather disappointing (and they have no online store). Just a spray called Mukhallat Qaser, no price. It's very possible that they are different oils. Or that Zahra's catalog is wrong. Sometimes, they list stuff that they don't have.

    thecentennial:
    is this Al Kas also from Arabian Oud?

    I only wish this stuff was available in the US. I will really have to go to the Gulf someday...

    cacio
    yes, another arabian oud pure oud oil.

    havent told the wife about my..investments..yet. She isn't a fan of oud.

    guess there is some truth in the term opposites attract.

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    Is the oud oil in Al-Kas from a particular country?

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    We have one Arabian Oud store in London. I must go visit one day. Incidentally ASAQ have a store there too and Harrods is across the road. That could be a very long day indeed!

    Right now I'm trying as many Amouage attars as I can. It's a little easier finding samples (perfumed court, Crystal Flacon etc) than Arabian Oud. 0.5ml is enough to get lots of wearings.

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    ASAQ too, lucky. I like what I've smelled from this brand. I haven't been to London in years either, but if I ever happen there, these seem must-go places.

    My first, and so far only, Arabian Oud purchase was at their Paris store, on the Champs Elysees near the Guerlain boutique; but there's so much to smell and buy in Paris that it's probably not the first place where you want to spend time.

    cacio

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    Does Kalemat come in an concentrated perfume oil?

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    Let's resurrect the sleeping. I bought a couple of ml of Al Siraj through Ebay, and I am loving it! It has a mellow oud opening similar to Micallef's Aoud Homme, and now it's in a beautiful smoky phase that reminds me of a smoother Tribute. I am seriously considering getting the whole bottle, although I know that 2 ml are going to last me a long time...
    Kurt smells like Teen Spirit

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    Default Re: Arabian Oud - Kalemat

    Mukhallet Al Shiyoukh is an excellent oriental Oud based fragrance. Next on my buy list....

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    Kalemat is just superb! Purchased recently and I`m glad I did. Along with Kalemat I got Hamra - the red one, which is pretty, subtle, fruity-musky mix. If you want Oudh fragrance that is not too strong but stills smells of oudh than I recommend Night Dreams by Al Haramain. If you like oudh mixed with a flower bouquet than try Zahra by Swiss Arab. Great price and definitely worth every cent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke Hunt View Post
    Mukhallet Al Shiyoukh is an excellent oriental Oud based fragrance. Next on my buy list....
    To my nose this is the best rose/oud combo. Majestic and oppulent. Arabian Oud was the house that started my oud craze.

    CX

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    What western scent would you compare kalemat's Sweetness level to ? M7 ? Dior Eau Sauvage Parfum ? or something far sweeter, Joop, Bogart Pour Homme ? Tobacco vanille ?

    How about it's spiciness or woodiness ? Any western comparisons ?

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    kalemat is still going strong, the newer version scoop the awards in the latest fifi awards!

    seems like an excellent fragrant

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    Hi badr, I got my Kalemt in Jordan in April. I never heard of any newer version... could you send a link?

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    the new version is called seher al kalemat, in a whitish bottle.

    not sure where you can get online but can try their website i guess - www.arabianoud.com

    btw, seheer al kalemat means "magic of the words"

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    Thank you Badr. I actually remembering seeing this one somewhere... I have the original Kalemat. It won Arabian fifi 2011 I think and it`s pretty good too.

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    These bottles look gorgeous.

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    This stuff is gorgeous.
    The "book" packaging is incredible:
    Kalemat means "Words" in Arabic.

    The flanker 'Shere Al kalemat" (means "Magic of Words"), isn't quite as good, it's god a dry oud and a gasoline note and out of place raspberry note.

    But the original kalemat is a drier spicier Tobacco Vanille type of scent.....sexier than Eauv Des bavx and not candylike in the vein of Spicebomb. All cloves and spices up top, all heavy sweet tobacco in the base.....but with a drier woodier, more incensy overtone staying above the obvious Tobacco vanille framework.

    It's like if Amouage was 85% of the way finished with their competitor to Tobacco vanille.

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    Does anybody know if you can get Kalemat the original one from Arabian Oud in London?

    I placed an order online today but don't see kalemat there so can ring tomorrow and add.

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    Default Re: Arabian Oud - Kalemat

    I've tried Kalemat, if found it to be a more wearable slightly less complex version of Interlude Man by Amouage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgoc View Post
    Does anybody know if you can get Kalemat the original one from Arabian Oud in London?

    I placed an order online today but don't see kalemat there so can ring tomorrow and add.
    When I was there in November, they had it in stock.
    Kurt smells like Teen Spirit

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    Quote Originally Posted by benzganesh View Post
    I've tried Kalemat, if found it to be a more wearable slightly less complex version of Interlude Man by Amouage.
    Really ? Interlude has this level of sweetness ? I'm more exited to try it now.

    And just to reiterate....lovers of Tobacco Vanille, Eav Des Bavx, and other similar scents, who are seeking something more dry, and more woody/spicy, will likely LOVE Kalemat.

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    By the way, are we talking Kalemat or Kalemat Black here? The regular Kalemat is orange and the Black Kalemat is white (?!?). I have the Black Kalemat and it is like a lighter Interlude Man indeed...
    Kurt smells like Teen Spirit

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    I bought Kalemat (Sehar) from Arabian OUD yesterday. The fragnance is great and long lasting. It is available in both spray form and oil form. I have found slight difference in both of them. The spray one is intense. I highly recommend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bf89ge View Post
    I bought Kalemat (Sehar) from Arabian OUD yesterday. The fragnance is great and long lasting. It is available in both spray form and oil form. I have found slight difference in both of them. The spray one is intense. I highly recommend it.
    Hi


    How much did you get it for? I see alot of signage stating 50% off on Arabian Oud,

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    Quote Originally Posted by DULLAH View Post
    Really ? Interlude has this level of sweetness ? I'm more exited to try it now.

    And just to reiterate....lovers of Tobacco Vanille, Eav Des Bavx, and other similar scents, who are seeking something more dry, and more woody/spicy, will likely LOVE Kalemat.
    Thats what I got from sampling the original Kalemat. I thought, this reminds me of a Tobacco Vanille, without the Tobacco. I personally prefer Seher Al Kelemat... really, really nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bf89ge View Post
    I bought Kalemat (Sehar) from Arabian OUD yesterday. The fragnance is great and long lasting. It is available in both spray form and oil form. I have found slight difference in both of them. The spray one is intense. I highly recommend it.
    Is there oil also which is available ? I thought it only came in edp form?

    would much prefer an oil over alcohol based edp! Any idea if or can be purchased online ?

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    I've only seen Kalemat in spray form.

    The flankers Kalemat Wood, Kalemat Musk, Kalemat Amber, and Kalemat Floral all come in 24 ml oil.

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    I received my 'book' of Kalemat the other day. I was so impressed with this fragrance (and packaging too) that I immediately ordered Kalemat Black. Kalemat is a terrific fragrance at a terrific price! As noggs mentioned, Kalemat and Sehr El Kalemat (Black) are offered in EdP (100ml) while I believe the other flankers are all oils.

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    The Kalemat oil flankers are worth checking out.

    In general, they have taken the core of the original Kalemat, simplified it, and added enough other ingredients to shift it towards the specific flanker concept. The flankers are simpler overall than the original, and different enough to warrant investigation.

    My favorite is the Musk, followed by Wood. I'm not usually a fan of musk based fragrances, especially the lighter or laundry musk types. Kalemat Musk contains noticeable musk. The musk is on the lighter side but it does have a funky, animalic component. The oil is rather floral, especially in the beginning, and eventually a bit of vanilla comes in. It's not complex, and I find the musk, florals, and sweetness very well balanced. It just smells great to me.

    Wood is my second favorite. While I own Musk, I haven't (yet) bought Wood. It's drier than any of the other Kalemats, which generally lean towards the sweeter vanilla and resins, especially in the base. The wood note in Wood smells like cedar to me, not too oily and astringent, but rather dry and airy. It nicely balances the other notes and adds a dimension missing in the original, which almost has a gourmand quality.

    I've only tried Floral and Amber briefly. The guys at the shop are big on Floral and think it's the best of the flankers. It is definitely floral in the beginning, probably mainly jasmine, but unfortunately I don't know how it develops. It is worth a follow-up test. Amber was my least favorite, starting out with a spiky, lean kind of amber. Again, I only tested it briefly on paper and cannot say what it turns into later.

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