Is it possible the bottle in the store got cooked under the light thus changing the fragrance?
Recently I was browsing through Sephora aisles and I noticed the bottle of Dior Homme (regular, not Intense, nor Sport) has changed. The ring near the nozzle is no longer alu grey but black, a silver ring is embossed in the cap and the "straw" that hide the spray tube is no longer silver either but black.
Usually, a change in the design means a change in the scent. And with Dior you're never sure of anything (LVMH oblige!). Big big warnings for me.
A few spray on a blotter and sure enough, I can notice differences, subtle yes but that's not my Dior Homme anymore. But I might be mistaken.
So I ask the SA to make me a decant, then at home I test. A full wearing of my Dior Homme bottle on me (bought in early 2009 - absolutely perfect condition), another spray on the right wrist. No difference, and actually, almost nothing from the wrist which is perfectly fine with me as I wear the scent on myself. On the left wrist, a good dab of my decant of the "new" Dior Homme.
And there's actually some big differences. You not longer get that big plushy/dry cloud of iris. Now you're left with some iris, flatter, leaner and frankly just enough to say there's iris in it. 5 mn into the new one, the slightly buttery notes you would experience after an hour with the old one is here and way to much in the foreground. What is noticeable too is a huge dusty green and acidic lavender which was much more tamed in the previous one. The odd meaty quality that you could experience in the heart of the perfume is not really there in the new one.
I haven't deciphered all the differences but these are the major ones I noticed.
I really don't understand why it has been already reformulated.
Is it possible the bottle in the store got cooked under the light thus changing the fragrance?
I agree. Different bottle, different fragrance. Such a shame!
Do you think they have re-formulated already?? Maybe they decided to skimp on the iris in an effort to reduce cost?
All hell will break loose if this is true!
VERY worrying news, if it turns out to be correct!
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I have just bought this and if its true I have the pre-formulated bottle thank goodness. People who love this scent now is the time to stock up. Otherwise years from now we will be talking about how good the vintage is and how the last bottle of the old stuff has be sold on E bay. Grim news if true.
@hypr : this is unlikely because the tester was fairly full and this is a huge sephora in the suburbs of Paris that is packed with people everyday, and Dior Homme being quite popular here, I guess testers stands no more than a few day on the shelves (a SA told me they were changing PR 1 million testers twice a day because it was so popular)
@calero : it may have been reformulated to cut corners on the price of the formula, though iris has been fairly cheap ever since Biolandes labs found a way to age iris roots faster. My guess is that Dior head perfurmer likes to fiddle with every perfume he hasn't composed. Evidences ? J'adore which changed a few years back, Fahrenheit (another reformulation just after the second one, this ref. made the new distantly related to the previous one), Eau Sauvage Extrême discontinued and reissued as a "new" scent and a few days ago, Miss Dior Chérie (see 1000fragrances blog for the full story). Add Dior Homme to the pile. This very subject about Dior and reformulations in general might end up in another thread because there's a lot to say.
@Jack Hunter : I'll check every shop I can think of for backups, hoarding on the way ^^
The main difference between the two one, apart from the bottle which is obvious, is the list of ingredients on the bottom of the box, and their order in the listing. Hope this helps.
Goddamned, I should have bought an extra bottle of Dior Homme in august 2010, that's probably when reformulation started!
Have a look at this, back then I wondered what happened but didn't have a clue:
If I was a cynic I would think that fragrance houses have a policy of using their best ingredients and best marketing strategy in launching a new product. Then when they have Joe public hooked with a successful product they cut back on the quality to save cash and improve the profit margin. Hoping the public in general will not be able to tell the difference or care to much for it to effect sales.
I say this because how many times with different fragrance house's have we seen the exact same thing happen!
Indeed, this shows very poor consideration for customers. Ha!
Hey AirBureau, could you please post the ingredient list (order) of your original bottle here? Or send me a message.
Please can you show us picks of the two bottles, the reformulated and the "vintage"?
Its tim to buy some vintage! LOL, so early!
I will cook up something with pics and "recipes" as soon as i can lay hands on my bottle back at home. Meanwhile, I'll take pictures of the new one during lunch break.
I think i find:
Vintage Dior Homme:
Dior Homme Intense:
This is the new reformulated.
This is the original, superior fragrance.
Its time to buy it!
I will love to post at the SOTD:
Dior Homme, vintage, off course!
LOL, 4 years!!!!
Dior Homme Cologne isn't on the Dior Homme site now. I don't know if it was before but it was widely available here in Europe.
Can't believe they'd mess with a classic so soon. What a shame.
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Regarding the reformulation of Dior Homme, this has been occasionally speculated in the past, as far back as 2007. I'm certain that Scentemental made a comment about it around this time but am unable to find the post (something about being thankful that he already has a plentiful supply of the original formulation as back-up).
So, as much as many are shocked, it was pretty inevitable. In addition, for all we know, this could be the second reformulation and not necessarily the first - just bear that in mind.
These days, if I discover a new fragrance that's excellent and worth owning, I try to buy at least one back-up bottle ASAP (but only if I feel it's necessary). Times have changed, I'm afraid...
I just tried a new batch "freshly shipped".
The iris megacloud is still ...as omnipresent as ever. But the somewhat synthy amber-woods drydown has been significantly amped up. I would still buy it, it hasn't been butchered badly or anything.
Any noticeable changes to the box? That might make it easier to spot if you are purchasing it in a store.
Ugh, I obtained a sample of this a couple months ago, and I can't recall what the bottle looked like. I guess now I'll never know which version I've tried out!
Is the iris in Dior Homme synthetic?? I'm currently reading The Perfect Scent by Chandler Burr and he mentions "...the gorgeous synthetic iris the perfumer Olivier Polge created when he made Dior Homme."
If it is a synthetic iris, then what would be the reasoning for re-formulation if cutting production costs is the motivating factor? The synthetic is too costly?
Someone wants a bigger bonus this year so they worked out you can save 0.001c per ml by changing things and so it is done - such are the joy's...... I've only just discovered this frag and I think I'm already going to have to buy a backup.
I smelled the black tube bottle yesterday and got an horrible lemon/bergamot note :-(
It`s very sad to open the forum and find this thread on the day that i decided to wear it. It`s one of the few fragrances that i really thought that there wasn`t anything else like it on the commercial market. That`s probably why they reformulated it. Well. i think i`ll need to buy another one now...
Does anybody knows if the 40ml version of it already carries the reformulated juice?
The original is a great scent that my wife just loves on me. I've had the same bottle for the past 3 years and it's still at least 70% full, so really I'm in fine shape. I'll get sick of it before I ever worry about a change.
Could it also be that with a reformulation, die-hard fragrance fanatics buy out the remaining stock more quickly so that retailers then purchase the new, reformulated version, thereby driving profits up?
The tester at my local Sephora still has the silver straw. Perhaps they've still got the old stuff in stock...
I did notice that some of the boxes were labeled "vaporisator spray" (sp), and some said "Eau de Toilette vaporisator spray". Anybody know if that's a way to tell the new/old boxes apart? Or is it something else?
I'm wondering if many of the Basenotes "regulars" are buying the idea that Dior Homme has "changed" or been reformulated. This is a revered scent. Its interesting how many have not weighed in an opinion. Perhaps more time is needed.
What I would like to know, however, is whether the packaging has changed. The above pictures are not really accurate enough and are not a fair comparission. No offense to the two guys who made the effort to post them. Is it just the black tube down the bottle that is different ? Packaging to me is really important when talking about reformulations ( I know there are exceptions : Serge Lutens...etc). So whether the box design logo's have changed are important.
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How old is this new bottle with the black tube anyway? I just bought a bottle of Dior Homme from Sephora only two months ago, and I got the one with the silver tube, the bottle you guys call the "vintage" bottle.
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r u guys sure its reformulated? or just the bottle is different?
as far as looks of the bottle, i like the black straw better, but its the juice that counts
More about the bad news here.
I bought my Dior Homme maybe two months ago, and got the silver straw. I tested the one with the black straw and it is noticeably different, but not that bad, but I think by the time I go through my whole 1.7oz bottle, I will be so used to it that I won't be able to stand the reformulated one.
If you're planning on buying Dior Homme online, you run the risk of getting the reformulated one. I would recommend getting the Dior Homme Cologne instead. While it is also different than Dior Homme original, it's probably more similar to it than the reformulated version. Some would even argue that it is BETTER than Dior Homme original. Give it a shot.
I finally bought this beautiful juice at 11:52PM on Sephora Times Square, only one ounce to start with, as I wasn't sure it was worth a full bottle investment. And truth to be told, I am very short on money, so that made the decision easier. :P In any case, as much as I wanted to not like it that much, I think I have fallen in love with this, and now understand why Mr. Duchafour loves this stuff as well. This is a very beautiful smell indeed! I've come to realize that I do need a full bottle eventually, when I run out of this very magical perfume.
But I am posting to say that luckily, the Sephora on Times Square seems to be carrying the "vintage" bottles, both on the tester and the actual bottles sold (how odd to use the word "vintage" on a six year old fragrance!) So I didn't get the reformulation, which is very encouraging! My 30ml is a superbly beautiful bottle, which is reassuring as often the smaller bottles don't look as good. It's sleek and gorgeous, and it's the older style bottle. At least I can carry this around and reapply as needed. Although it's not a super light bottle, even if it's only 30ml. But I am so happy that I fell in love with this, AND that I got the older bottle-this is one of the best designers scents out there, despite the synthetics; gorgeous smell, dear friends, and I do LOVE cocoa in my perfumes!
I'm trying to source the "vintage" juice online. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Also, I suspect the 1oz/30ml hasn't been rejuiced. Can anybody confirm this?
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Hate the vintage version (a womans perfume with "homme" written on it) love the reformulated version. Quite obviously toned down iris.
This has nothing to do with the topic at hand but I've noticed a certain hype over Dior Homme & the other day I was at Sephora in Riverside Ca & there were about 5 female employees there & I asked them what men's fragrance they dislike the most & they all replied Dior Homme they just said it was disgusting. I myself don't understand the hype over Dior Homme it smells like lipstick.
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I am a fan of original Dior Homme and would like to know if anone has tried he new dior Homme and could elaborate on change in smell, sillage and longevity.
I couldn't comment on the differences between silver tube and black tube bottles, since I still haven't smelled the black tube formulation. However, I did recently buy a silver tube bottle, and have noticed that the iris in it isn't as good as in my (presumably older) TPC sample. It's still a very good fragrance, but unfortunately not quite as good as before.
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Anyone know when DH changed tube from Silver to Black? I checked nearby store and they had 2 different batches of DH.
First was 0Y01 which should be November 2010
Second 1R02 which should be April 2011
Is November 2010 vintage, or already reformulated one?
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Even the silver tube had it's changes. I had bottles with "Dior" written on the tubing and some without. Were all going to go insane over this Dior fiasco lol
The 2006 Dior Homme was stunning , it had a very strong iris not , the reformulated versions in 2007-2008, watered it down, the current avatar smells like lipstick water to me with a hint of iris.
Recently bought my bottle of dior homme.
turns out to be the black collar/tube one and according to cosmeticcheck it is the nov 2010 batch.
So which formulation of dior homme do i have with me ? :\ demachy or polge
also all i get from this fragrance is lipstick from top to base with only a hint of cocoa at the heart and some woods in the base , at least that is what my untrained nose is able to pick up atm , longevity is awesome on my skin though around 10-12 hrs easily, sillage is decent too!
i would like to know how many reformulations of dior homme has taken place ? which version is most different to the original , i have not smelled the original so yeah....
I just want to clear my head on which version and formulation of dior homme i have with me
im sure u guys have done a fair share amount of sniffing this fragrance and also the reformulations too so HELP ME!
I'm pretty sure you have the reformulated (AFAIK, demachy's dior homme came out in sept 2011 so I don't think they were produced as early as nov 2010). I had same version as yours but ultimately sold it because it could not compare to the original, and the iris was lacking.
AFAIK, the first DH that came out in 2005 had silver tube AND Dior engraved on the tube. (my fav)
Then there is another bottle that has silver tube BUT doesn't have Dior engraved as before. (I don't know if scent changed from before as I've never smelled this version)
Then there is a black tube before sept reformulation (which is what you have)
Then there is another black tube after sept reformulation
Without a doubt my favourite is the original, I recently came across a store still selling DH from 2005 so I bought 2x50ml backups and now i'm happy
Man if ur saying that my version lacks the iris(the lipstick smell) im better off with this version as it is haha xD i find my DH to already have a lot of lipstick smell and dont think would enjoy something stronger
much thanks for the heads up!
Here is my experience , based on lot of effort , smelling many testers , buying DH from different dates:
There are 3 types of DH formulations:
Silver ring - Silver tube : lets call it silver-silver
Silver ring - Black tube : lets call it silver-black
Black ring - Black tube : lets call it black-black
silver-silver is the original formulation of DH - produced until -2nd week of Sep-2010 code 0W02.
silver-black is 1st reformulation of DH - produced since 3rd week of Sep-2010 code 0W03.
black-black V1 is the same formulation as silver-black and produce since Nov-2010 coed 0Y03.
black-black V2 is a major reformulation of DH and produced since summer 2011 ( I dont know the exact date - maybe 09-2011).
silver-silver is amazing , wax , wet , smooth , well blended smell. great projection and moderate longevity.
silver-black is also very good - they amplified the coco and the cardamom. The smell is less smooth , less wax. more powdery , less floral and arguably more masculine.
black-black V2 is total disaster ! different perfume ! RIP DH.
They practically moved out the Iris opening , and made the coco vibe more intense , very dry , and very very bitter . The coco smells now more as sawdust.
After 2 hours the smell is gone! longevity is ridiculous.
This is my untrained nose summery for this issue
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