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    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose View Post
    I disagree. I like them as creations, AND I get compliments on them from random friends and acquaintances, none of whom are particularly scent-conscious, when I wear them out. Which I do, to no particular special occasion, including work. (I don't get comments from people standing six feet away, either; it's mostly when people hug me, so as far as I can tell they're not monsters of projection on me either.)
    You might disagree, but you're not disproving my point. You can get random compliments, sure, but have you had someone ask and then purchase a Slumberhouse fragrance? They're the people I'm talking about.
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    A lot of my friends are hippie types who moan about scent pollution and don't use any products that aren't scent-free and vegan and organic, so the mere fact that I'm getting compliments at all instead of ostentatious gagging noises is pretty significant.

    Anyway, how many times does that happen at all? I think I've asked someone about their scent because I wanted to try it twice in my entire life, and I care.

    (Not to mention the import factor, what with customs and potential confiscation, means that people in my area would REALLY need to care to purchase these particular fragrances.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose View Post
    Anyway, how many times does that happen at all? I think I've asked someone about their scent because I wanted to try it twice in my entire life, and I care.
    I've done it on a number of occasions, the last resulted in my purchase of 1 million over the summer. But if you're going to laud a fragrance and advertise it as something functional on the mainstream level, that's what I'd expect to see examples of.
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    I didn't say they were "functional on a mainstream level", I said they were both interesting AND attractive, and functional, at least for me, within the compass of my life as a more or less regularly worn fragrance, without apparently disturbing or distressing either the alternative or the conventional people I encounter.

    I don't, personally, give a **** about "mainstream", but I give a great many about using/wearing/buying only those things that I find useful and aesthetically pleasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose View Post
    I didn't say they were "functional on a mainstream level", I said they were both interesting AND attractive, and functional, at least for me, within the compass of my life as a more or less regularly worn fragrance, without apparently disturbing or distressing either the alternative or the conventional people I encounter.

    I don't, personally, give a **** about "mainstream", but I give a great many about using/wearing/buying only those things that I find useful and aesthetically pleasing.
    If you don't much care for the 'mainstream' then why disagree with my characterization of it? That is, after all, what one would think of when imaging a consumer who "wants to smell nice/attractive/(pick your adjective) on a day-to-day basis." I think we're debating two different issues.
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    That is, after all, what one would think of when imaging a consumer who "wants to smell nice/attractive/(pick your adjective) on a day-to-day basis."
    It... it is?

    What does attractive/pleasant/pick your adjective have to do with popular, mainstream, easily available on the public concourse, whatever? There are plenty of things that are beautiful -- and would be considered beautiful even by people who might not necessarily be considered sophisticated or aesthetically educated -- which are rare, or not advertised, or available only from one tiny craftsperson who lives two kilometres off the beaten path in Backwoods Farton and only sells at their local farmer's market.

    Advertising and hype, on the other hand, has resulted in plenty of really unattractive things becoming "popular" and "mainstream" regardless of their actual appeal, and even at great expense. I give you, for instance, Ugg boots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose View Post
    It... it is?

    What does attractive/pleasant/pick your adjective have to do with popular, mainstream, easily available on the public concourse, whatever? There are plenty of things that are beautiful -- and would be considered beautiful even by people who might not necessarily be considered sophisticated or aesthetically educated -- which are rare, or not advertised, or available only from one tiny craftsperson who lives two kilometres off the beaten path in Backwoods Farton and only sells at their local farmer's market.

    Advertising and hype, on the other hand, has resulted in plenty of really unattractive things becoming "popular" and "mainstream" regardless of their actual appeal, and even at great expense. I give you, for instance, Ugg boots.
    Once more, we're talking past each other. A simple solution would be the following: take a fragrance like Acqua di Gio or 1 Million, and then any Slumberhouse scent. Find 100 people on the street and let them sample each then pick which they would wear on a day-to-day basis. What do you think they'll pick?
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    Can't wait to get my samples... Hopefully today.
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    Agreed Tony...except for Pear & Olive which I would consider the most inoffensive and suitable for day-to-day use. The other fragrances within the line are evocative and more or less wearable art. The Slumberhouse line evokes fragrance memories like no other line has for me. Vikt - my grandmother used to buy ginger snaps when I was a child. Rume - reminds me of visiting the hallmark store with my grandmother and mom to pick out xmas ornaments when I was younger. I mean I LOVE Chanel's Sycomore...it's a beautiful beautiful fragrance, but it's not the thought evoking trip down memory lane that is a Slumberhouse frag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBoomBoom View Post
    Once more, we're talking past each other. A simple solution would be the following: take a fragrance like Acqua di Gio or 1 Million, and then any Slumberhouse scent. Find 100 people on the street and let them sample each then pick which they would wear on a day-to-day basis. What do you think they'll pick?
    If they were in plain unlabelled vials, I'd be interested to observe that experiment. More people than you think might pick the Slumberhouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose View Post
    If they were in plain unlabelled vials, I'd be interested to observe that experiment. More people than you think might pick the Slumberhouse.
    More than I might think but not enough to disprove my point.
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    I don't think I understand your point, at all. And I don't agree with you.

    There are aspects of my presentation, hair and clothes in particular, which get the "qualified compliment" -- "that looks great on you, but I could never do that."

    On the other hand, when I've been complimented on my smell, particularly when wearing Jeke, or Sova, there has been no qualification. Not even from otherwise conventionally-dressing and -acting straight women, whom you would expect to wear and like (and who do wear) accepted, pretty, pink-bottled, floral fragrances. Just, "you smell amazing, I love your perfume, what is that?"

    Now, if I gave these women a spritz of my bottle, they might not feel the same about it on their own skin; maybe they might experience the overwhelming projection and roughness others in this thread have mentioned in relation to this range of scents. But as they smell on me, no one seems to think that Slumberhouse is in any way difficult to love, that they've mentioned to me.

    Certain "mainstream" scents do seem to be formulated to smell the same on as many people as possible, with less possibility of variation, but even that is not always the case.

    I think that if you take away the marketing and the moody magazine ads featuring sultry water-drops running down bare skin, and somehow let people who wanted to wear perfume choose it purely by their own testing and preference, that a lot of people might not pick what is currently popular, or easy to get, or what their friends wear -- an impossible thing, of course.

    But to argue that what is popular or sells well or can be purchased without knowing about an obscure small-batch supplier is therefore more attractive does not compute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose View Post
    I don't think I understand your point, at all. And I don't agree with you.
    Maybe you should first try to understand my point before you disagree with me?

    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose View Post
    There are aspects of my presentation, hair and clothes in particular, which get the "qualified compliment" -- "that looks great on you, but I could never do that."

    On the other hand, when I've been complimented on my smell, particularly when wearing Jeke, or Sova, there has been no qualification. Not even from otherwise conventionally-dressing and -acting straight women, whom you would expect to wear and like (and who do wear) accepted, pretty, pink-bottled, floral fragrances. Just, "you smell amazing, I love your perfume, what is that?"

    Now, if I gave these women a spritz of my bottle, they might not feel the same about it on their own skin; maybe they might experience the overwhelming projection and roughness others in this thread have mentioned in relation to this range of scents. But as they smell on me, no one seems to think that Slumberhouse is in any way difficult to love, that they've mentioned to me.
    Once more, you're discussing your relative experiences whereas I'm trying to qualify Slumberhouse offerings in terms of what's available at retail locations and marketed for a rather wide audience. Case in point, Slumberhouse is rather strong (concentrated) and on the pricey side compared to what's available on the 'mainstream' market. If one variable doesn't influence someone the other inevitably will. There are few who will be drawn to Slumberhouse offerings because they are more concerned with finding a fragrance they can wear on a day-to-day basis that's affordable and acceptable to the public. That's the 'mainstream public', they're fickle and easily influenced. Now, coming back to my original statement:

    They are all highly concentrated and I feel they are more for those who appreciate and admire what the artist/author of these creations has accomplished than for someone who wants to smell nice/attractive/(pick your adjective) on a day-to-day basis.
    Those chiming in to say they appreciate Slumberhouse fragrances don't simply say they enjoy the smell. They say, and I quote:

    I'd use words like "evocative" and "beautiful" and "stunning" which I think apply to most of the Slumberhouse offerings.
    thought evoking trip down memory lane that is a Slumberhouse frag.
    So, the point is that many get something else out of this fragrance than the simple 'smells nice'. And yet 'smells nice' is what most of the public is after. Thus, as I said initially, "I feel they are more for those who appreciate and admire what the artist/author of these creations has accomplished than for someone who wants to smell nice."
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    Well then, don't talk about affordability, marketing success and availability as if they have anything to do with aesthetics, because they don't.

    And I don't know why you're dismissing my relative experience. The people responding to my fragrance have no idea what I'm wearing. I don't have a button on my chest saying "My perfume was created by Portland artist Josh Lobb. It is obscure and expensive and has a cool name." For all they know, I might have bought it at Shoppers Drug Mart. They're not responding to it as art, they're responding to what I smell like, and saying "you smell good. You smell NICE."
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose View Post
    Well then, don't talk about affordability, marketing success and availability as if they have anything to do with aesthetics, because they don't.
    I never said they did. But they all have an impact on the decisions made by the majority of the public.
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    My point when I stated that they were too strong, wasn't just "too strong" I own some powerhouses but too strong with some note that kills it for me. The fermented grape/fruit note in Sana and Rume is nauseating. The nutmeg/clove notes in several of the others "slaps me in the face" I tried spritzing up in the air, and stepping under...this works with other powerhouses I own. But the volume is turned up full on every note. Even Norne, which smells like wonderful pine, is too "loud" I applaud the perfumer's attempt at projection and longevity, but I'll pass with this house. I put my whole set on EBAY.

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    Agreed, they're way strong. Also, I agree with Norne...the pine note is far too much for me to wear. I think the key with Slumberhouse is application...I'd never spray any of the scents I own on my shirt. Every time I apply Slumberhouse frags I hit my wrist once, rub both wrists together and apply around my neck. I have to do the same with Givenchy Play Intense and Chanel Eau Extreme...I don't think it's unique to the line. Plus, it's easy for any absolute juice to be completely overbearing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes65 View Post
    My point when I stated that they were too strong, wasn't just "too strong" I own some powerhouses but too strong with some note that kills it for me. The fermented grape/fruit note in Sana and Rume is nauseating. The nutmeg/clove notes in several of the others "slaps me in the face" I tried spritzing up in the air, and stepping under...this works with other powerhouses I own. But the volume is turned up full on every note. Even Norne, which smells like wonderful pine, is too "loud" I applaud the perfumer's attempt at projection and longevity, but I'll pass with this house. I put my whole set on EBAY.

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    I agree. They are all highly concentrated and I feel they are more for those who appreciate and admire what the artist/author of these creations has accomplished than for someone who wants to smell nice/attractive/(pick your adjective) on a day-to-day basis.
    Interesting - I have found Slumberhouse frags to be much more wearable than many other indie/niche scents. Certainly they're not as wearable as the designer fragrances out today, but that's why people turn to indie houses, isn't it?

    Tauer and ELd'O are two houses that I find have gone more the 'art' route than the 'wearable' way.
    Granted ELd'O are meant to be more avant-garde than anything on the market so aren't the best example, but I find Tauer's frags sacrifice wearability and versatility for 'artistic expression.' I believe that Slumberhouse deftly treads the line between art and wearability, making unique fragrances that are really rather versatile (obviously some more so than others).
    I see them as akin to Serge Lutens' scents; they're unique but most of them are quite wearable. You don't need to hide yourself away and 'appreciate' these fragrances, fearful that other people won't 'get' them - you can get out and share them with the world.

    I'm wearing Sana today and it is a fantastic office-scent, Ore as well is ideal for more formal environments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdoeswell View Post
    Interesting - I have found Slumberhouse frags to be much more wearable than many other indie/niche scents. Certainly they're not as wearable as the designer fragrances out today, but that's why people turn to indie houses, isn't it?
    Well, some, or many of us, want to express ourselves in different ways. There are those who turn to fancy clothes, electronics, jewelry, or other accessories and there are those who turn to niche fragrance designers because they offer something others don't. Again, it's an appreciation more for the art and artist than the fulfillment of a simple need.
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    Once more, we're talking past each other. A simple solution would be the following: take a fragrance like Acqua di Gio or 1 Million, and then any Slumberhouse scent. Find 100 people on the street and let them sample each then pick which they would wear on a day-to-day basis. What do you think they'll pick?
    This is a moot point. Designer fragrances are meant for the masses, niche and more specifically slumberhouse are not.

    Also, stop being a troll and let people enjoy what they want. If we wanted to smell like everyone else or "acceptable" we wouldn't choose this style of perfumery. Go back to adg if you want, I'll stick with Sova.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rynegne View Post
    Agreed, they're way strong. Also, I agree with Norne...the pine note is far too much for me to wear. I think the key with Slumberhouse is application...I'd never spray any of the scents I own on my shirt. Every time I apply Slumberhouse frags I hit my wrist once, rub both wrists together and apply around my neck. I have to do the same with Givenchy Play Intense and Chanel Eau Extreme...I don't think it's unique to the line. Plus, it's easy for any absolute juice to be completely overbearing.
    One spray is more than enough . Also, don't rub in any fragrance!

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    This is a moot point. Designer fragrances are meant for the masses, niche and more specifically slumberhouse are not.
    On the contrary, designer fragrances have the option of being mass marketed, there are plenty that are not. Niche fragrances are available to the masses, therefore they are meant for the masses.

    Also, stop being a troll and let people enjoy what they want. If we wanted to smell like everyone else or "acceptable" we wouldn't choose this style of perfumery. Go back to adg if you want, I'll stick with Sova.
    Keep your ad hominems to yourself and build your own straw man. I said nothing about you nor do you speak for 'everyone'.
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    On the contrary, designer fragrances have the option of being mass marketed, there are plenty that are not. Niche fragrances are available to the masses, therefore they are meant for the masses.



    Keep your ad hominems to yourself and build your own straw man. I said nothing about you nor do you speak for 'everyone'.
    Keep your high school philosophy terms to yourself and focus on what you are saying. You've changed points 3 or more times here in the last few hours. You just said that if I were to ask 100 people which one they preferred, they would most likely prefer a designer fragrance. There are MANY MANY MANY MANY reasons for this. First, designer fragrances, and in fact most fragrances rely on top notes to "sell" the fragrance. Josh does not use any top notes in fragrances, since he cares about what happens in hours 5-16 more than 1-2. Another reason is because designer fragrances in general are designed to appeal to a lot of people. Anyone who says different is daft. Simple as that. Niche fragrances as a whole adhere to their name, niche markets. Not mass markets. If you honestly think the average person knows what Creed, by Kilian, or Serge Lutens is, you're mistaken. This is because, like most other things, only people who care about the hobby know the names and the scents.

    What I don't understand is why you want to constantly call out anyone who says differently? Do you really care this much about bashing niche houses, or Slumberhouse in particular? Are you mad for some reason? All I know is that in 8 months of wearing non-Slumberhouse fragrances, I got 0 compliments. In the one month I wore them nearly exclusively, I got 10+ compliments. So, Compass feels similarly, I do, and so do plenty of others. Can we all just go home now and talk about Slumberhouse again, or do we have to continue this asinine conversation that has no clear point?

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    Keep your high school philosophy terms to yourself and focus on what you are saying.
    Both are logical fallacies, which you've committed, quite different from philosophy.

    You've changed points 3 or more times here in the last few hours.
    How have I changed my points? The only thing I've done is attempt to rephrased them to help others understand what I mean.

    You just said that if I were to ask 100 people which one they preferred, they would most likely prefer a designer fragrance. There are MANY MANY MANY MANY reasons for this.
    If you agreed with my point, there's no need to expand.

    First, designer fragrances, and in fact most fragrances rely on top notes to "sell" the fragrance. Josh does not use any top notes in fragrances, since he cares about what happens in hours 5-16 more than 1-2. Another reason is because designer fragrances in general are designed to appeal to a lot of people. Anyone who says different is daft. Simple as that.
    And what about this makes what I said invalid?

    All I know is that in 8 months of wearing non-Slumberhouse fragrances, I got 0 compliments. In the one month I wore them nearly exclusively, I got 10+ compliments.
    I experienced the opposite, but I'm not solely using my limited experiences as a crutch for how the majority would respond to these fragrances.

    I'll simply say that I have no stake in this debate/conversation. I hope everyone has a chance to discover these fragrances, but that doesn't mean my initial thoughts have no validity. These are scents that I personally don't see as something many people would want to wear on a day-to-day basis because, as mentioned, the concentration is high (i.e. they are powerful in addition to being original) and so is the price.
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    Both are logical fallacies, which you've committed, quite different from philosophy.



    How have I changed my points? The only thing I've done is attempt to rephrased them to help others understand what I mean.



    If you agreed with my point, there's no need to expand.



    And what about this makes what I said invalid?



    I experienced the opposite, but I'm not solely using my limited experiences as a crutch for how the majority would respond to these fragrances.

    I'll simply say that I have no stake in this debate/conversation. I hope everyone has a chance to discover these fragrances, but that doesn't mean my initial thoughts have no validity. These are scents that I personally don't see as something many people would want to wear on a day-to-day basis because, as mentioned, the concentration is high (i.e. they are powerful in addition to being original) and so is the price.
    First, logical fallacies are a part of philosophy. Hence why college courses have it in PHL 101, like I took.

    Second, your argument is invalid because you could input literally any other niche fragrance house and have the same conclusion. Thus, they are not meant to "appeal to mainstream" people, which you said they are before.

    Third, when you quoted someone who said they'd describe them as beautiful, how does that mean they don't smell good? How? I use "beautiful" when a fragrance smells so good it is literally a thing of beauty. Or for that matter stunning?

    Forth and most importantly, the point of the fragrances is, to my understanding, be interesting and unique, not something a million people want to wear. If you want to wear a fragrance day to day, don't buy one of these (which you clearly won't). The reason people are so passionate around here is because they DO want to smell interesting and "avante-garde," even though I hate that term. I forget who mentioned it in the past, maybe it was Brian Chambers, but they are meant for those who are interested in things that are NOT mainstream, even as far as niche is concerned.

    I want to mention that I hold no animosity toward you or anyone who dislikes the fragrances I like, especially slumberhouse ones. I personally enjoy them, get complimented on them, and could care less if I smell "good" to others. I'm not that egocentric.

    EDIT: It may also be worth noting my 54 year old mother has 2 fragrances, and has worn really only 1 her who life. Yet, when she wore Pear and Olive, she immediately told me she wanted a bottle for her birthday (which I am in the process of getting for her). I think that proves that, in yet another instance, fragrance novices can like at least that fragrance from the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OctaVariuM View Post
    First, logical fallacies are a part of philosophy. Hence why college courses have it in PHL 101, like I took.
    I stand corrected. Nonetheless, your use of two fallacies served no purpose.

    Second, your argument is invalid because you could input literally any other niche fragrance house and have the same conclusion. Thus, they are not meant to "appeal to mainstream" people, which you said they are before.
    That does not invalidate my argument in the least. Niche houses are not all the same. And 'niche' fragrances can be mass produced by designer houses as well. Some will appeal to more of the public than others. Yes, I can make the argument for other houses, but just like Slumberhouse they will have one or two that might appeal to more than their other offerings.

    Third, when you quoted someone who said they'd describe them as beautiful, how does that mean they don't smell good? How? I use "beautiful" when a fragrance smells so good it is literally a thing of beauty. Or for that matter stunning?
    You misunderstood. I quoted that person to show how much the fragrance affected them. Most people will simply label fragrances 'good/nice' or 'bad/smelly', they will hardly take the time to dissect them and allow them to influence their thoughts and memories.

    Forth and most importantly, the point of the fragrances is, to my understanding, be interesting and unique, not something a million people want to wear. If you want to wear a fragrance day to day, don't buy one of these (which you clearly won't). The reason people are so passionate around here is because they DO want to smell interesting and "avante-garde," even though I hate that term. I forget who mentioned it in the past, maybe it was Brian Chambers, but they are meant for those who are interested in things that are NOT mainstream, even as far as niche is concerned.
    Once more, I don't speak for everyone and I would expect the same from you. Yes, there are many here who are happy to be 'daring' in what they wear, or 'avant-garde', but there are plenty of others, which you can find commenting in this thread, who think this is goes beyond what they are willing to risk/wear.

    I want to mention that I hold no animosity toward you or anyone who dislikes the fragrances I like, especially slumberhouse ones. I personally enjoy them, get complimented on them, and could care less if I smell "good" to others. I'm not that egocentric.
    Then there's no reason to begin calling me a 'troll' for attempting to state an opinion and defend it. I, at the very least, supported Slumberhouse in that I ordered samples. While I might not order a full bottle in the near future, that doesn't mean I don't respect what Slumberhouse has accomplished.

    EDIT: It may also be worth noting my 54 year old mother has 2 fragrances, and has worn really only 1 her who life. Yet, when she wore Pear and Olive, she immediately told me she wanted a bottle for her birthday (which I am in the process of getting for her). I think that proves that, in yet another instance, fragrance novices can like at least that fragrance from the house.
    And yet my mother, who owns some forty fragrances, was not a fan of any scent aside from Pear and Olive, but not enough of a fan to want to own a bottle or advocate for my ordering one for myself.
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    You misunderstood. I quoted that person to show how much the fragrance affected them. Most people will simply label fragrances 'good/nice' or 'bad/smelly', they will hardly take the time to dissect them and allow them to influence their thoughts and memories.
    People are emotionally affected by the cheapest drugstore fragrance. Price has nothing to do with that. And some people who wear expensive niche fragrances are merely doing so because it smells good/nice to them -- or it has the "right" name, or is reputed to pull the most babes out at the club. This is not a dividing point between niche and not.

    Once more, I don't speak for everyone and I would expect the same from you. Yes, there are many here who are happy to be 'daring' in what they wear, or 'avant-garde', but there are plenty of others, which you can find commenting in this thread, who think this is goes beyond what they are willing to risk/wear.
    And is this inherent in the fragrance, or is it because the fragrance is not the right one for them, their personality, their skin chemistry? Chanel No. 5 goes beyond what I'd be willing to risk/wear, personally, because it smells aggressively lousy on me. I don't know why there is this sense -- not just from you, from a great segment of this community -- that a fragrance ought to be universally applicable, that if it works for one person for "evenings out" that it's a great evening scent for anyone, that "a fragrance collection" should include this, that or the other style of thing. Slumberhouse isn't for everyone. 1 Million isn't for everyone (and I'd need more asthma inhalers if it was). Marketing and hype may persuade some people -- or many people -- that they need the Thneed of the Year like everyone else, but that style of Thneed will fit some like a glove, and be irretrievably awkward or unflattering on others. And I'm quite sure that in fragrance, too, we all have a bit of that experience in our past -- the Obsession in high school which in retrospect even you didn't like on yourself, the Polo that you wore because everyone else did and it was The Thing To Do.

    I'm sure, by the way, that if, say, the parent company of Dolce & Gabbana or Givenchy, etc. bought Josh out, and whacked out a big aggressive marketing campaign (let us leave aside the practicalities of reproducing the scents in mass market amounts, for the sake of argument) that they could totally sell Rume or Norne or Sova to the "masses" just like anything else. But I don't see why you seem to think that's a desirable goal -- for any product, really -- or why that gives it any kind of credibility.

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    People are emotionally affected by the cheapest drugstore fragrance.
    So you're just going to throw around generalizations now?

    Price has nothing to do with that.
    It does for many. Not everyone is willing to put down $125 for 30ml to relieve memories or feel beautiful.

    And some people who wear expensive niche fragrances are merely doing so because it smells good/nice to them -- or it has the "right" name, or is reputed to pull the most babes out at the club. This is not a dividing point between niche and not.
    We're not talking about random niche fragrances, we're talking specifically about Slumberhouse offerings.

    And is this inherent in the fragrance, or is it because the fragrance is not the right one for them, their personality, their skin chemistry?
    All of those factors can be intertwined with the strength of the fragrance.

    I don't know why there is this sense -- not just from you, from a great segment of this community -- that a fragrance ought to be universally applicable, that if it works for one person for "evenings out" that it's a great evening scent for anyone, that "a fragrance collection" should include this, that or the other style of thing.
    Because some appeal to a larger portion of the population than others. Perhaps the ratio as it stands in the case of Slumberhouse will change in the coming year, five years, or decade.

    Slumberhouse isn't for everyone. 1 Million isn't for everyone (and I'd need more asthma inhalers if it was). Marketing and hype may persuade some people -- or many people -- that they need the Thneed of the Year like everyone else, but that style of Thneed will fit some like a glove, and be irretrievably awkward or unflattering on others. And I'm quite sure that in fragrance, too, we all have a bit of that experience in our past -- the Obsession in high school which in retrospect even you didn't like on yourself, the Polo that you wore because everyone else did and it was The Thing To Do.
    I never wore Polo, it was Acqua di Gio, which I can't stand today. But, once more, we're talking past each other. Slumberhouse's offerings are not 'safe' scents, which many that are popular can be classified as, nor are they scents that have been mass marketed and tested. We can only lean on anecdotal data if we want to be more than immediately subjective.

    I'm sure, by the way, that if, say, the parent company of Dolce & Gabbana or Givenchy, etc. bought Josh out, and whacked out a big aggressive marketing campaign (let us leave aside the practicalities of reproducing the scents in mass market amounts, for the sake of argument) that they could totally sell Rume or Norne or Sova to the "masses" just like anything else. But I don't see why you seem to think that's a desirable goal -- for any product, really -- or why that gives it any kind of credibility.
    If Slumberhouse was bought out, the product would be watered down, that's without doubt. If kept the same, it would be equivalent to the Private Blend line that Tom Ford offers. But, personally, the more interesting question is if Creed or Bond no. 9 were to suddenly cost a fraction of their price, and we did the same to Slumberhouse, keeping their offerings limited to some 5-7 'best sellers', and keeping the quality the same, who do you honestly think would sell the most?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose
    People are emotionally affected by the cheapest drugstore fragrance.
    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBoomBoom View Post
    So you're just going to throw around generalizations now?
    No. That wasn't meant as a generalisation. What I meant was, specific people will experience similar things from very cheap fragrances which for whatever reason influence, as you say, their thoughts and memories. And I repeat, price has nothing to do with whether this phenomenon will occur with an individual. Cheap, expensive, intended as art, intended as a throwaway celebufrag -- any of these may cause a powerful effect with a given individual.

    It does for many. Not everyone is willing to put down $125 for 30ml to relieve memories or feel beautiful.
    Now you're arguing backward. And I repeat, price has nothing to do with it, so isn't it lucky that some people can relive memories or feel beautiful with something that only costs thirty bucks?

    We're not talking about random niche fragrances, we're talking specifically about Slumberhouse offerings.
    Sometimes you are, sometimes you aren't. Your arguments range widely, and apparently aimlessly at times.

    .... which do you honestly think would sell the most?
    Read what I posted. Who cares? Why do you care? Why is that important? What does that prove? It is enough that it exists, and that some people like it, and some people like it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose View Post

    No. That wasn't meant as a generalisation. What I meant was, specific people will experience similar things from very cheap fragrances which for whatever reason influence, as you say, their thoughts and memories. And I repeat, price has nothing to do with whether this phenomenon will occur with an individual. Cheap, expensive, intended as art, intended as a throwaway celebufrag -- any of these may cause a powerful effect with a given individual.
    Yes, but you're talking about a limited set of people, at least more limited than I have in mind. The majority of people out there will simply buy something that they like, they won't give it that much thought. Whereas others will dissect fragrances, be they selling for $10 or $1000.

    Now you're arguing backward. And I repeat, price has nothing to do with it, so isn't it lucky that some people can relive memories or feel beautiful with something that only costs thirty bucks?
    I'm simply going back to my initial point, that price plays a role. And yes, it's lucky that a simple fragrance can mean a lot to someone, but again, see above.


    Sometimes you are, sometimes you aren't. Your arguments range widely.
    Not really. My comparisons to Slumberhouse might range widely, but at the other end is always Slumberhouse.

    Read what I posted. Who cares? Why do you care? Why is that important? What does that prove? It is enough that it exists, and that some people like it, and some people like it a lot.
    Because my point is that what is being offered is something that will mainly appeal to those who value the artist and his creations. You, apparently, disagree with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBoomBoom View Post
    Because my point is that what is being offered is something that will mainly appeal to those who value the artist and his creations. You, apparently, disagree with that.
    Yep. Because, ultimately, fragrance is a subjective thing, and my subjective experience is that that is not the case. I have received more compliments in a few months of wearing Slumberhouse, like Octavarium, than in my entire lifetime before -- not that I was wearing any expansive range before, but nothing else I've ever worn has drawn this much positive attention. It has come from people who have never expressed any interest in fragrance whatsoever; from people who have openly stated their dislike of most fragrances; from people who wear the name-brand scents of mall stores.

    None of them know anything about Josh as an artist, or that they are supposed to be Appreciating My Fragrance For Its Artistic Value. They like it.

    And frankly, I'm not sitting about writing poetry inspired by my Slumberhouse, or thinking elegiacally about my great-aunt's root cellar. I just like it, and think it smells good, and enjoy wearing it.

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