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    Question Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    No, this is not a thread comparing the two. However, that is my question - I'm wondering if there's any difference between the most recent formulation, in the "original" bottle, and the previous two formulations. I have the most recent version and it smells like a watered down Aramis Havana (although Tsar came first), and the longevity is kinda lame.
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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    Yes, the longevity is very average to me, but that is fine as Tsar is not one of my favorites anyway. Although a great fragrance nonetheless.

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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    Quote Originally Posted by kxe003 View Post
    the longevity is very average to me.
    To me also.

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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    The newest Tsar is okay. I have it and enjoy it, but it is not as long-lasting as the original version, which is closer to Montana's Parfum d'Homme than to Havana, i think. I wonder why the one in the ribbed bottle was even called Tsar! VC&A must have had a tongue-in-cheek moment then.

    As an aside, one way to tell the difference between original and newest verrsions is that the bottle of the new one is actually transparent, and not opaque like the original.
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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    Quote Originally Posted by perfaddict View Post
    The newest Tsar is okay. I have it and enjoy it, but it is not as long-lasting as the original version, which is closer to Montana's Parfum d'Homme than to Havana, i think. I wonder why the one in the ribbed bottle was even called Tsar! VC&A must have had a tongue-in-cheek moment then.

    As an aside, one way to tell the difference between original and newest verrsions is that the bottle of the new one is actually transparent, and not opaque like the original.
    I agree. Smells great, but not a powerhouse like the original Tsar. I just spray on more, and reapply mid-day. No sweat.
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    Dear, I already bought 03 Tsar vintage, and I was disappointed with everyone. The last one I bought even being the same as the first photo did not convince me, I discovered through the research site of the year that it was made in 2008. Then I do not know what else to do! Will I need to find only the TSAR VINTAGE of its release year so I can get all that magic again ?? Please help me!!!

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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    Funny that this has cropped up as I recently made an error with a purchase of what I believed was a vintage sealed bottle. Turned out to be the clear, ribbed bottle that arrived. At this point I didn't realise that this version was one to avoid so I gave it a try and was confused as it didn't seem to resemble a single review that I had read.

    After a bit of digging and plenty of assistance from a very helpful Basenoter I realised I had the wrong thing - it had an awful curry note going on and as I said, didn't seem to resemble a single review that I had read. To be fair, the person who I bought it off has taken it back but he insisted it was the original formula which I believe to not be the case

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    Yeah, unfortunately about a year and a half ago I purchased a bottle on Amazon, expecting the full, rich,scent with high projection and longevity I was accustomed to, only to receive this weak, pissy scent that was not even a pale shadow of the original. Not knowing of the reformulation, I thought that I had received a counterfeit. and contacted Amazon for a refund, which they issued (gotta love Amazon in that regard!).

    Just out of curiosity, I just now googled "original formulation tsar" and found someone (on Amazon!) who claims to have it. Unfortunately, he's asking $145 + $10 shipping, for a bottle I got for $43 at Macy's last time I bought it. I love the scent, really, but not $155 worth for a blind buy from the same source I got burned on last time...

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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    I've tried the new formulation some time back and thought that it was a milder...sport version. The old formulation was a beast.
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    I know this an old thread but Tsar is my favorite, I own both 1st and 3rd formalationsthe 2nd one it was too synthetic too me like too much idk what was going , but it was similar, now the difference is the Oakmoss in the 3rd formula, the scent we love from the vintage formula, it's very good still I love it ,with the current one tho u may wanna spray an extra here and there , or just put some lotion on and it will stick for awhile ruffly about 3-4 hours I like to blend it with my polo green

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    U can find some cheaper ones on eBay for 60-80$ the vintage one not the 3rd version the 1st

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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    Missing this dearly. Anyone seen any bottles for sale lately? Prices have skyrocketed
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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    Quote Originally Posted by NickZee View Post
    Missing this dearly. Anyone seen any bottles for sale lately? Prices have skyrocketed
    I'm sure some prestige line will try resurrecting the accord with a bunch of akigalawood stuffed in place of the oakmoss, then charge triple what even the skyrocketed genuine article sells for, and only us BNers will notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    I'm sure some prestige line will try resurrecting the accord with a bunch of akigalawood stuffed in place of the oakmoss, then charge triple what even the skyrocketed genuine article sells for, and only us BNers will notice.

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    Yeah exactly, someone like Phuong Dang is lining up to relaunch it at $450USD .
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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    Quote Originally Posted by NickZee View Post
    Yeah exactly, someone like Phuong Dang is lining up to relaunch it at $450USD .
    With scent names like "Vermillion Promise" and "The Calling", I'd say he was writing lyrics for a goth rock act and not making perfume. :x
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    Don't like any formulation!
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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    Own two bottles of the original vtg opaque version which is a very good fragrance indeed!
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    Default Re: Van Cleef & Arpels Tsar: Old formulation vs. New formulation

    While the vintage smells more powerhouse and has better performance, if really wanting to get this fragrance and only the current formulation was available, personally do still not perceive the difference between the two that striking and so far in the disadvantage of the newer one to not choose the latter




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