Some people have a hard time thinking outside their limited concepts. Sad when it's a sales associate, though.
I tested Pure Havane EDT and Midnight Poison EDP from The Bay earlier this afternoon. PH on my left wrist while MP on my right. About 30minutes later, when I told the cashier/sales clerk that I sprayed MP on myself (I had already purchased Pure Havane by this time), she gave me the "look" (shocked, weird, dumbfounded look, you know what I mean) and gave me a lecture about MP being marketed for women only and how female perfumes react much more better on women instead on men. I then replied that yes they most likely do, but EDPs' concentration is a whole lot better than EDTs, and then asked her on what she thinks about the rose in MP. She looked like she was getting annoyed and told me how MP is a feminine scent and all that. I countered with asking "Because of the rose? Lots of male perfumes have flowers in them." She tried to compose herself and referred other Dior scents like Eau Sauvage, in which I said, "yeah it has a rose and jasmine too). She pretty much got fed up after that and told me that she'll never recommend a female fragrance on men. I didn't wanna push my luck (she looked really annoyed) so I left.
Moral of my story is: I should've lied and said that MP was for a friend LOL.
Or ask for a refund for Pure Havane and bought Midnight Poison EDP 100mL instead. *sigh*
Some people have a hard time thinking outside their limited concepts. Sad when it's a sales associate, though.
I know, eh. If she had chosen to go with Midnight Poison (which is more expensive; $90 50mL, $122 100mL) than Pure Havane ($94), I would've bought the MP 100 mL ASAP. I won't be buying any fragrances in that branch for awhile.
I cannot understand what kind of clerk you have found!!!
Maybe not too much experienced so it would be easy to have found at least once a man who intended to buy a femenine fragrance for him!!!
Do not why but I know any men who like roses & jasmine as notes on their perfumes to wear, so why not if forind at femenine scents????...also cannot understand these labels that conditions our elections & decisions.
Never do feel ashamed if you laike any femenine scent, or lie about who is for. I use to wear masculine (very supossed male scents) and I do not feel bad or worried about anyone thinks about!!!
enjoy your perfumes and do not let anyone to label them and 'label' you because of wearing them !!!
I find many more odd reactions than accepting ones when I go fragrance shopping and check out unisex, womens or niche fragrances but unfortunately it's to be expected in Australia. Don't let an ignorant person put you off enjoying your hobby.
I often wear masculine scents and so far I've been fortunate enough not to get idiotic comments from people who can't deal with smelling masculines on a woman. Whether it's men's shirts on women, or black eyeliner on men, there's so much fun to be had in borrowing from each other... it makes me feel sorry for the morons who can't see past the marketing (which is so often misrepresentative anyway).
Enjoy your perfume Galizur!
I wonder what she thinks about dior HOMME
On a side note, why do you need a sale assistant's approval to buy midnight poison which you obviously liked?
You should have said this...
I blame brain washing or staff training by the companies as its officially called.
They get the sales staff in rooms and begin the brain washing.
This is ............. fill in the latest release from said company. You must push it at all costs. No matter what the customer wants or asks, you must push XXXXXX.
Do not deviate from your brain washing or your head will explode.
There are two sexes, female and male in perfume. Never ever cross the line from your sex or your head will explode. Warn all customers of this(it costs money to clean up after the head exploding).
Think of 99.9% of perfume sa's as Stepford Wives. Do not engage them in conversation about anything outside their brain washing or they will have to be returned to the factory for a reboot.
Galizur, I think you did a great job at handling that situation. Kudo's to you. That SA is a jerk and it does not surprise me that this happened at The Bay.
I actually checked out Pure Havane out there last week. I just find the price to much for what it is ( I get no tobacco, I don't care if they call it Pure Havane). But if you like it, thats what counts. I have only sampled Midnight Poison once, and just did not get the rose that others seem to get. I hope to try it again.
Anways, keep at 'er. Next time, give 'em hell
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I have a saying when I am selling things: Do Not Get In the Way. If you want to buy what I am selling, I want to sell it to you. What the heck kind of salesperson DISCOURAGES someone from buying something? I have sold girly hairclips to men, and Avon deodorants with female scents to men, why in the world would I care who was buying these?
Did she even smell it on you? I mean if someone really STANK in something I might gently point them toward something else, I will advise on styles and so on, but certainly wouldn't discourage someone if they knew what they wanted.
That is kind of crazy.
Thanks for the encouragement, everyone. XD
Story time again lol:
During the time I sprayed MP on my wrist, the Dior clerk (young female Asian) asked me if I'm shopping for a lady and I told the truth and said "For me", LOL. She gave me a fast weird look and recommended to me their Dior fragrances in the Men's Fragrances section (The Bay's fragrances section that I went into is really small; not as big as the boutiques in downtown Toronto. From the left is Men's Fragrances, Middle is Women's, and the right is Dior boutique, and the others surrounding it sell cosmetics.... In case you guys are wondering.) by naming each Dior Men fragrances in their store. Fahrenheit was her first recommendation, in which I immediately replied "My winter scent (one of them anyway XD ). Second was Eau Sauvage; I replied, "I smell like an old man" (I don't really, but the first whiff makes me uncomfortable/cringe). Then the last was Dior Homme Sport, which she thinks is best for me (probably cuz I was wearing a spring jacket... in 0 C degrees of all days LOL) but she said they were sold out, and I them added "Yeah I know, I bought the last one here." She might not have heard me correctly cuz she reiterated that Dior Homme Sport suits me (is it because of the ginger notes there and me being Asian LOLOL?). I just said "Uh OK" and left the Bay to kill time in the mall, so that I can see if I really like the hearts of Pure Havane and Midnight Poison.
The SA clerk's approval question:
I wasn't really asking for her approval but I just wanted to know what she - as a woman and a sales clerk - thinks of MP personally on me.
Should've sprayed more MP on my wrist then, but I was afraid that MP's scent and sillage would overpower Pure Havane's. I might've gotten the same reaction, but having a longer longevity of MP on my skin would've been awesome to end the day.
Yeah I like the honey sweetness of PH. Wearing it now actually on cool, windy, and rainy weather, while I walked out to buy soy milk in the nearby grocery store. I think I killed PH's sillage doing so but oh well LOL.
Last edited by Galizur; 16th April 2011 at 11:21 PM.
My selling motto: "If you like it, I love it!!"
I hope you got what you wanted, aside from the opinion of the sales clerk (who was clearly narrow-minded and her paycheck doubtless reflects that).
My Top 10*:
1. Bois des Iles (Chanel)
2. Ubar (Amouage)
3. Pandora (DSH)
4. Miss Dior - vintage (Dior)
5. Jolie Madame (Balmain)
6. Jicky (Guerlain)
7. Gold Woman (Amouage)
8. Mata Hari (DSH)
9. L'Air du Desert Moracain (Tauer)
10. Medici - Italian Splendor: Florence (DSH)
*in no particular order because it's too hard!
Wait, so she thinks perfumes "react" differently on males vs. females?
Where do they come up with these ideas? SAs have such active imaginations.
Whenever an SA asks, "Are you buying this for yourself or someone else?" I know I'm in trouble. That's when I remember something someone once said about being interrogated by Soviet officials -- the best thing to do is to say nothing at all, ever. Nothing good ever comes out of engaging people like that in any sort of discussion or argument. The best thing to do is smile and walk away. After all, you're the one with the money.
Galizure,Are you happy with your Pure havane? Hope so.
In your post you mention several times the SA "looked really annoyed". I assure you- it had nothing to do with you. The only thing she was really annoyed at was that she might actually have to do some work at her minimum wage job.
Say this to yourself: I know more about scents than the SAs at the Bay. The only opinion that matters about what I like is my own.
Man on man. I would have had a hay-day. lol. I would have given her a history lesson ahah.. Which Bay were you at? If it's on in Vancouver, I wanna go ask about women's scents haha
My rule is never ask a sales clerk for an opinion. Never show an interest in what they are pushing unless you are genuinely interested.
YOU are the customer and you will pay for what you want.
I don't care if I smell like a young woman; I don't care if I smell like an old man; all I care about is if *I* alone like the scent. I am not interested in the scent of such-and-such celebrity; I don't care if everyone is wearing it; I don't care if I get bag of samples with the purchase of such-and-such.
Simply look at the clerk and say, "My mind is quite made up on what I like. I will take a bottle of this, please." Hand the clerk the bottle and pay for your purchase. If you must, smile pleasantly and act like you are happy to receive their help. Thank them for their input.
Say, "I know this scent is for women, but it's so silly to have a gender label for scent, don't you agree?" Smile. "It's a pure sensation. No one gives various wines a gender, so why is it so for fragrances? Can you see white wines for men, and rose for women--because it's pink?" Be pleasant all the way through the transaction, even if the SA gets peeved. Last resort: ask for another SA. "Is there someone else who can help me with this?" Again, be gracious and pleasant.
There is no cure for being stupid and/or misguided.
"...her fragrance all in my keeping; softly she comes in the night." Lyrics, Gordon Lightfoot, "Softly."
She sounds like she may be related to some Basenoters.
I think if you like the Midnight Poison, you should buy it from another SA - but make sure she is there to see you doing it.
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Ignore and let her talk. That way you would doing her a favour, for you will make her feel more self-confident.
@knit at nite
There were 2 reasons why I went to The Bay that day. One was to look for a present for a coworker (at the mall connected to The Bay), and the other was to buy Pure Havane (cuz it was a limited edition, from what I read here and other sites). Since I missed out on Pure Coffee (I'm a caffeine junkie btw lol), I'll just buy PH instead.
I've tested Pure Havane twice before this event - first time was in downtown Toronto when I was checking out Prada Homme Intense, and the second was at this store while checking if they have PHI in stock also - and actually liked how the cigar/tobacco notes doesn't stay as long on me, and the remainder of the whole fragrance is pure honey/sugar sweetness.
Last edited by Galizur; 17th April 2011 at 06:48 PM.
Very interesting post and can feel myself totally identified with your situation. I live in a latin american country where there´s still a lot of "machismo" attitude. You have no idea the "looks" women sales executive give me when I´m at the boutique checking the femenine scents. It´s like I´m some kind of alien... LOL
The Dreamer from Versace: what does this scent have that is so alluring and enticing towards the opposite sex ?
Praise her pants, then ask her if 50 years ago, the pants were not strictly male
You should have looked upset at her, claiming that you are a woman. Perhaps also demanding to speak to her manager to squeeze some more samples out of her. Worth a try, maybe.
You would think that SA's would be able to get with the idea that perfume should be an adventure.
I'll always make time for cats and roses
My great loves:
Mitsouko, L'Heure Bleue, Caron Pour un Homme, Dune, Fat Electrician, Oxford and Cambridge, Eau de Campagne, Elixir des Merveilles, Sarrasins, MKK, Ambre Sultan, Tocade, Dzing!
Le Temps d'Une Fête, Tom of Finland, Jasmin et Cigarette, Dirty (not dirty at all )
"Perfume is an invisible art form, and yet one of the most evocative and personal."
I buy online to avoid those sort of things. My "people skills" leave something to be desired. You did much better than I would have.