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    Default Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    In the last few years I've toned down my purchasing of scents down to perhaps 1-2 bottles a year. I still have a collection of around 80 colognes, most of which are at least 75% full, and with a new home I try to keep my hobby spending to a minimum.

    I'm making my annual trip to Singapore soon, and have budgeted for one new cologne and (for the first time) replacing the first bottle of cologne I've ever had that is almost finished (Terre D'Hermes). I think the bottle has 4-5 more sprays left to it, so I'm conserving it carefully!

    Last year in Singapore, I was awestruck by all the designer colognes I've only ever heard about on Basenotes, scents which will never appear in my tiny city of Darwin. Among all the Creeds, Serge Lutens etc I found two bottles which I'd heard mentioned over and over on these forums; Musc Kublai Khan and Musc Ravageur.

    I tried a sample of both, sniffed them immediately and was unimpressed, both giving me negative impressions. I went on to buy Kiehls Original Musk, which although not particularly impressive, was not something which would revolt me (as opposed to the other two scents I tried), and also was about 1/3 of the price. For the past year I've thought about it, and reflected back to Angel Men and Zino by Davidoff, both of which I thought were vile and repulsive the first few times I tried it, before falling in love with it much later. I'd like to give a musky scent another chance (Kiehls seems to have absolutely no longevity or sillage on my skin, disappearing within 10 minutes), and MKK and MR seem to be the leading candidates.

    So basically I'm posting asking for veteran BN members opinions on which of the two I should invest in? Your help and advice would be greatly appreciated!

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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    Sorry to beat a dead horse but its apples and pears and really depends on what you are looking for.

    A dirty, straightforward, fairly linear musk, that is onkly ever so slightly backed up with a few florals and is more likely to still be repulsive for you (MKK).

    Or a sweetish, cinnamon loaded vanilla musk with a spicy clove opening that to me has some kind of a cosy vibe and is AFAIK generalyy perceived well by others.

    I own MR and have been on the edge about MKK for a long time but think I ultimately do not need to own it.
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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    They are quite different. I personally prefer Musc Ravaguer over Muscs Kublai Khan.
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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    MKK for me. It's far more special and wearable to me. I like MR but love it is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timaru View Post

    A dirty, straightforward, fairly linear musk, that is onkly ever so slightly backed up with a few florals and is more likely to still be repulsive for you (MKK).

    Or a sweetish, cinnamon loaded vanilla musk with a spicy clove opening that to me has some kind of a cosy vibe and is AFAIK generalyy perceived well by others.
    I'd agree with this description. I own MKK but also like MR which is a sort of posh, pricey gourmand, I suppose.

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    MKK= A dirty caveman fragrance that would be best worn to a trip to the zoo.lol

    MR= A swinging hipster dude who does not know that the seventies are dead but keeps getting laid.

    Winner= MR......lol
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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    They're both really sexy fragrances. I personally prefer Musc Ravageur as it's way more wearable but it's an hard choice. Good luck!


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    MKK all day long.

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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    Musc Ravageur

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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    Musc Ravageur

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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    MKK by a long shot. I've sampled MR a couple of times and have not taken to it. I think of MR as more of a unisex, leaning feminine, fragrance although I know that many guys here wear it.

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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    I prefer Musc Ravageur
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    Muscs Koublai Khan + Musc Ravegeur are both entirely different animals.

    They should never be judged by a simple sniff out of a bottle. These scents are unlike most of your 72/75 bottles in your current collection. “Niche” in the sense that they are amongst the top most talked about “niche” scents in the world.

    These accomplished scents achieve and unravel the story on your skin. Stories by Master Perfumers, Christopher Sheldrake and Maurice Roucel. Therefore, unlike mass market linear perfumes they can’t be judged by a sniff out of a bottled. They need to be worn several times too be truly appreciated.

    Musc Ravegeur is classified as a skin scent by Editions Frederic Malle. Meaning it stays close to the skin without the projection of a silage monster. Its name is misleading as it not a prominent Musc smell either. Its spice cinnamon, creamy vanilla with a very refined almost soft musc touch sensual smell. A scent that would not be too difficult for a female to wear. Females would be more forthcoming in giving compliments to the wearer if they can get that close to you. Musc Ravegeur is more easy for a person to wear than Musc Koublai Khan. Being expensive it would not be a every day wear for most people but a must wear for special killer occasions, a date or a Black Tie dinner etc..

    Muscs Koublai Khan is not really a skin scent neither is it a silage monster but its obviously more prominent in its projection. It is more raw and edegy in comparison with Musc Ravegeur. Muscs Koublai Khan is spice leather animalistic scent that truly walks on the side of masculine. Females tend to be divided into love / hate factions over this smell. Longevity being slightly longer than Musc Ravegeur. Musc Ravegeur’s longevity is good anyway. Musc Koublai Khan is not a every day wear but the decision to wear is more of a mood based decision.

    Other Bners here own both because they are so different. Some Bner’s here wear both as a layered combination (Bner-Duke Hunt).

    Finally for me there is another argument why having Muscs Koublai Khan in your collection makes sense is because Muscs Koublai Khan has another use. For instance if you’re a male and into a lot of scents and often trying new scents. If you over spray or do not like the sweet effect of the new scent you simply grab Muscs Koublai Khan and spritz to counter the effect. You can not get the same ratio of the same successful result by doing the same counter effect with Musc Ravegeur.


    I would love to be with you when you do the purchase in Singapore. Maybe you should meet up with the other Singapore Bners at Newton Circus for some noodles?

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    Both are nice. And different. I went with MR because I dislike cinnamon in perfumes but the cinnamon in MR was executed perfectly alongside the cloves musc and vanilla.
    If i were a big musc fan, i would own both.

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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    They couldn't be more different.

    MKK contains almost every animalic ingredient in the book:

    costus
    civet
    castoreum
    ambrette (musky)
    three kinds of animalic musk

    MR is a heavy-handed spicy oriental made of 40% lavender and very little if anything genuinely animalic/musky, and the musk that is there is mostly camouflaged by spices and other things. Maurice Roucel (the nose behind MR) told an interviewer that he didn't even know why the name Musc Ravageur was used. It smells great on my girlfriend, though.
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    I suppose I'd say to the OP: don't worry - buy what you fancy, buy 'em both, if you don't like them (after a giving them a good wearing) then just Ebay the damn things! A niche scent like either of the two you mentioned will make a fair whack on Ebay, even partially used.

    I just blind bought MKK from Ebay - I bought about 45ml for about £50 including postage from Germany to the UK - should be here in a few days. I'm excited - who knows what I'll make of it, I may well hate it, but what the hell!

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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    Quote Originally Posted by pluran View Post
    They couldn't be more different.

    MKK contains virtually every animalic in the book:

    costus
    civet
    castoreum
    labdanum
    ambrette
    three kinds of animalic musk

    MR is a spicy oriental made of 40% lavender and very little if anything genuinely animalic.

    -- Try them and see.
    Well put. Read and learn.

    These scents are miles apart stylistically and by no stretch of the imagination are they "wardrobe equivalents." What they have most in common is a certain over-the-top quality that makes them tough wears for some of us. I love (and own) them both.

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    That depends: would you rather smell really good or like you rolled around in dogshit? I really like Musc Ravageur and think MKK is disgusting....

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    MR is a better day-to-day scent. If you plan to purchase only a few bottles per year get stuff you can wear often, IMO.
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    MR , it's a beauty ! Year round , and the women love it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of One View Post
    I really like Musc Ravageur and think MKK is disgusting....
    I find Kouros disgusting - and I love it. Disgust can be a complicated thing and perhaps not always form the end point in our consideration of fragrances...

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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    After initial disgust, from several wearings from a sizeable sample I have, I've grown to appreciate MKK. Not that I'd wear it outside the house, though. Very animalic, but with floral undertones.

    On the other hand, numerous wearings of MR have done nothing for me at all.

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    Eh, not a big fan of either one. MR is a pretty underwhelming oriental, and MKK smells like straight up ass with a touch of vanilla (--and I say this as someone who loves Kouros and several other animalic scents).

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    I agree with timaru and with those who don't think much of either one (price taken into account). I'd go for something like Acteur, which is a complex, natural-smelling, dynamic frag with just enough of an animalic note to "round it out."

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    I own both MKK and MR, they are very different fragrances. MR is a gorgeous oriental with clove, cinnamon, vanilla and a healthy dose of musk, whereas MKK is all about musk, castoreum, civet and its animalic aspects always wow me. MKK is so sensual and intimate. I prefer it over MR.

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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    I own and enjoy both scents, although if I was going to choose just one I may just give MKK a slight nod due to its originality. I will point out that MKK is the victim of sensationalism and conjecture on this board, from both those who have given it a quick in store sniff and missed the entire progression, and those which haven't tried it period. It's far from the epic beast that's made out to be and I don't find it disgusting at all. The opening vegatal musk opening is rather deceptive and it does smooth out to give way for the honey-rose accords, with the opening bite swaying gently into more of a clean-sweat/sun burnt skin accord. The animalic funk is always present, but it becomes more of a supporting role in the background, than remaining the main opening star. Living in Singapore, you may appreciate this fragrance a lot, because in my opinion the heat really ramps up the richness of the scent and improves the silage, which for the most part is rather stealth.

    As kccparis pointed out, I wear both MR and MKK at the same time when going out, because for some strange reason I don't like wearing either alone. That's because as much as I love the complex simplicity of MR, I still find it a tad too polite and lacking some masculine bite, that's where MKK comes in. I generally find that I get minimal projection with MKK too, with it becoming a skin scent on myself. That's where MR comes in to act as a counter point, making them a sexy team, where they fill in the blanks for each other!
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    A lot of interesting points, and it sounds as if MKK is one of those scents that I would probably have to enjoy from the comforts of my own home. It's not a negative point, I deeply love Kingdom by AM for example, but I would never wear it outside my home.

    I guess I'll have to go instore and sample MKK and MR again, maybe this time simultaneously (one on each wrist) and go around shopping for a few hours, then come back and see how they've developed on my skin. At the very least I'll be better informed than the quick sniff I had last year.

    It's been maybe 2 years since I was last at these forums, I remember why I was staying away...so many new scents I want to go forth and splurge on! Now I'm thinking I might have to get a third cologne...I'd never heard of Pure Malt until I started this thread yesterday, and there's some new Creeds as well...damnit!

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    Default Re: Musc Kublai Khan vs Musc Ravageur

    Musc Ravageur is (for me) much easier to wear so my vote will go to MR.

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    I think they are both completely different , forget all the shit and nonsense regarding MKK once it has settled down after a few moments its a very powdery salty skin scent to my mind , not a projection beast but lasts and lasts on the skin . With regard to the animalic notes , its certainly not as civety as say Jicky for instance .

    Musc Ravageur is a lot sweeter with the lavender and cloves with a little vanilla in the background , its an easier ride basically but both are excellent

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    I love MKK and find it far more interesting but MR is more wearable more regularly. Both are quite good really.

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