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    To me MKK is more wearable because once the first few minutes are over it's not funky at all on me and it's a real unisex (not a femine smelling male/masculine smelling female). MR on the other hand is too feminine for me to feel comfortable with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcrich View Post
    After initial disgust, from several wearings from a sizeable sample I have, I've grown to appreciate MKK. Not that I'd wear it outside the house, though. Very animalic, but with floral undertones.

    On the other hand, numerous wearings of MR have done nothing for me at all.

    Oh well, different strokes...

    Time for a side-by-side test? Would be interested to see the results of that one LOL

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    Oh, so that's what MKK is. I didn't realise that fragrance was so highly thought of at basenotes! It even has its own acronym.

    I really liked the two times that I tried it but ultimately I decided it wasn't worth the price. Might pick it up second hand or on the discounters, but serge noire jumped ahead in the queue.

    I have never heard of musc ravageur before today, must seek it out to try. Never seen frederic malle anywhere in the stores, which is crazy when i think about how many stores i've been in the last two months. I must have a specific blindness for it.

    I agree that you can often learn to like something you don't immediately like... but if you tried it and didn't like it, maybe its just not the right time. singapore is like a perfume mecca, spend all day testing and get something you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    A lot of interesting points, and it sounds as if MKK is one of those scents that I would probably have to enjoy from the comforts of my own home. It's not a negative point, I deeply love Kingdom by AM for example, but I would never wear it outside my home.

    I guess I'll have to go instore and sample MKK and MR again, maybe this time simultaneously (one on each wrist) and go around shopping for a few hours, then come back and see how they've developed on my skin. At the very least I'll be better informed than the quick sniff I had last year.

    It's been maybe 2 years since I was last at these forums, I remember why I was staying away...so many new scents I want to go forth and splurge on! Now I'm thinking I might have to get a third cologne...I'd never heard of Pure Malt until I started this thread yesterday, and there's some new Creeds as well...damnit!
    Oh joy don't be fooled by all the hype, a few people just get excited and then its like lemmings over a cliff!

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    Hey Joy, I'm from Singapore and I'm pretty sure I've never seen MKK on the Serge Lutens shelves in town (Absolue pour le Soir is conspicuously missing from the Francis Kurdjian shelves here too). And Frederic Malle--well, I've been waiting for a distributor to pick up his Editions since forever! Are you sure you don't mean Hong Kong? Haha...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafflesia View Post
    Hey Joy, I'm from Singapore and I'm pretty sure I've never seen MKK on the Serge Lutens shelves in town (Absolue pour le Soir is conspicuously missing from the Francis Kurdjian shelves here too). And Frederic Malle--well, I've been waiting for a distributor to pick up his Editions since forever! Are you sure you don't mean Hong Kong? Haha...
    I was in Singapore on Monday and they had MKK (amongst others) in Tangs I believe. If I'm not mistaken APLS was there too right next to the Serge Lutens line.

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    I definitely like MR more than MKK. Is there anything that even smells somewhat similar to MR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stew View Post
    I definitely like MR more than MKK. Is there anything that even smells somewhat similar to MR?
    Shalimar, somewhat.
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    Oh, that's right, someone posted a thread on that a few weeks ago. I forgot.

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    Shalimar, somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stew View Post
    I definitely like MR more than MKK. Is there anything that even smells somewhat similar to MR?
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    L'Erbolario's Meharees, allegedly

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    Two totally different fragrances for me. MR is a VERY sweet cinnamon, vanilla fragrance. MKK is a NON sweet, salty musk. I know of course that there great differences on how different people perceive different musks, but to me MKK is far more versatile and wearable.

    And a personal opinion: if a musk fragrance does not last forever on your skin, it isn't a musk fragrance. By definition natural musks are have the longest life on skin.
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    I own and wear both, both are very good but MKK is the gem.

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    I prefer Ravageur, but i own a bottle of Koublai Khan only! Go figure!!

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    Even though I love gourmands, I find MKK to thrill me much more than MR. MR is very nice, but I don't find it as inspired, original and clicking as flawlessly all the boxes as MKK.
    But I guess the OP will have made his mind about this a long time ago :-)
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    Musc Ravageur, hands down!

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    I have a bottle of MKK but I would prefer to have Musc Ravageur, I think it's easy to wear and I love it, for me smell a little bit like L de Lolita Lempicka but MR is much less sweet than L.

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    Musc Ravageur 8 days a week

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    If I should bought one of them today, I think I would go for MKK because of it`s uniqueness, and because I have other stuff that reminds me a bit of MR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    In the last few years I've toned down my purchasing of scents down to perhaps 1-2 bottles a year. I still have a collection of around 80 colognes, most of which are at least 75% full, and with a new home I try to keep my hobby spending to a minimum.

    I'm making my annual trip to Singapore soon, and have budgeted for one new cologne and (for the first time) replacing the first bottle of cologne I've ever had that is almost finished (Terre D'Hermes). I think the bottle has 4-5 more sprays left to it, so I'm conserving it carefully!

    Last year in Singapore, I was awestruck by all the designer colognes I've only ever heard about on Basenotes, scents which will never appear in my tiny city of Darwin. Among all the Creeds, Serge Lutens etc I found two bottles which I'd heard mentioned over and over on these forums; Musc Kublai Khan and Musc Ravageur.

    I tried a sample of both, sniffed them immediately and was unimpressed, both giving me negative impressions. I went on to buy Kiehls Original Musk, which although not particularly impressive, was not something which would revolt me (as opposed to the other two scents I tried), and also was about 1/3 of the price. For the past year I've thought about it, and reflected back to Angel Men and Zino by Davidoff, both of which I thought were vile and repulsive the first few times I tried it, before falling in love with it much later. I'd like to give a musky scent another chance (Kiehls seems to have absolutely no longevity or sillage on my skin, disappearing within 10 minutes), and MKK and MR seem to be the leading candidates.

    So basically I'm posting asking for veteran BN members opinions on which of the two I should invest in? Your help and advice would be greatly appreciated!
    Looks like i have to take a trip down to singapore - where exactly can i find lutens,malle,creeds? (i am in the neighbouring Malaysia by the way)

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    Quote Originally Posted by benzganesh View Post
    Looks like i have to take a trip down to singapore - where exactly can i find lutens,malle,creeds? (i am in the neighbouring Malaysia by the way)
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarom View Post
    They're both really sexy fragrances. I personally prefer Musc Ravageur as it's way more wearable but it's an hard choice. Good luck!
    Honestly, I can't compare the two, but I've owned MKK for a while now and am very familiar with it.

    RANT BEGINS I concur absolutely with the people here who warn against getting the vapours over something as inoffensive as MKK. I am in my first year of getting into perfume in a seriously appreciative way, inspired obliquely by my work as a sensory panelist for a local university- my ability to detect and characterize aroma chemicals is pretty freaking good, so from a purely receptor-type point of view I'd like to clear something up. MKK does not smell like shit. At all. Not even vaguely. People who talk about poo in relation to musk are either gifted with the world's plushest arseholes or have a civet stuck in their toilet cisterns. A really BIG angry civet. And if you squeal and faint at the slightest suggestion of animalic I would question why you would be applying something like MKK to your epidermis. And then going ewwww! RANT ENDS.

    Anyways, MKK is just pretty in a unisex way. I don't find it particularly complex; to me, it bends slightly with skin gender but many will not be able to appreciate this; from a synaesthetic POV I get a big pale gasseous image the colour of clover honey with round, suede like corners and an almost germ-like darker area so that it looks like an out of focus plant cell under a microscope. It is sweet and high as much as it is low and dark; people overemphasize this latter character- Im not sure why.
    My mother likes it and she doesn't know jack shit about scent, so that's an honest, hype-free opinion from someone unaware of the mythos. No fainting, no nose-holding, just 'pretty'. Which it is. Don't expect beast, unless your experience of other animals is limited to patting someone else's dog fresh from the groomer. Strangely enough, that kind of smell is much more in line with MKK than dirty sweat, sex, cumin-freakout etc etc. Hope that helps.

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    I'm with Kellyjelly and everyone else who find MKK the smoothest and most wearable of the two. I remember it in Tangs. Apart from the locations metioned by the Duke, don't forget Takashimaya. Tried my first Penhaligons there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stew View Post
    I definitely like MR more than MKK. Is there anything that even smells somewhat similar to MR?
    Mehaares is extremely similar but less medicinal

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    Two very different scents. I own and love both, but if I absolutely had to pick just one, I'd go for MR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyprince View Post
    MKK by a long shot. I've sampled MR a couple of times and have not taken to it. I think of MR as more of a unisex, leaning feminine, fragrance although I know that many guys here wear it.
    +1

    I'd say that MR starts feminine and then it gets more butch. Someone once described it as a hip version of Shalimar. It's wearable for men but, imho, far better smelling on women.

    MKK is Tarzan and Jane doing the wild thing atop their jungle tree house. (And I hope I never suggested Cheetah for a menage a trois)

    Less versatile than MR--

    --Has anyone EVER suggested MKK for officewear??

    But it gets my vote.

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    MKK is offensive to me. Disgusting and offensive. I've tried it at home several times, and my opinion remains that it is a disgusting body odor smell that I neither want to smell like nor smell on others. And the few women I've dated who smelled it on me uniformly agreed it was horrific.

    MR is on the borderline between mildly offensive and grand. It doesn't smell anything like MKK, and was offputting to me for quite a while because of its vagely pee scent; but in the end I like it quite a bit. For what it's worth,of the women I've dated who smelled it on me, half seemed to love it and half seemed to hate it. No opinions in the middle.
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    Once you get past the opening on Musc Ravageur women will fall all over themselves just to get a whiff of you. If that was not enough it smells pretty darn good to boot.
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    So what's the score? I'm just guessing, is MR ahead by a 'nose'. Sorry about that, its horse racing season here.

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