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    Default Is the market oversaturated?

    I was in the fragrance department of Fenwicks yesterday and started to think about how much is out there at the moment. There seem to be flankers of flankers and every designer (however obscure) appears to want to bring out a fragrance. This would appear to impact on the quality of product which is why most of us stick with old favourites or dip into the niche market. With the exception of Dior Homme, I am struggling to think of any truly groundbreaking fragrances issued in recent years within the mainstream. Pehaps I was just having a bit of a jaded day....

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Yes, spot on.
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    I think it is to a certain extent! Just like the music market, but fragrance isn't as bad yet.

    Next thing you know, they'll have DIY perfume kits and everybody will be bedroom perfumers just like there's an overabundance of bedroom music producers.

    In the end, art is art and everybody is entitled to express it. It just makes it more difficult to find the gems.

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    Time to differentiate fragrance companies!

    None of that insipid-1000-times-done-over boring releases!

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    There are more consumers today than there were a decade ago, also today it costs much less to cater to the demand than it did a decade ago. So obviously there were be plenty of choice. Whether that choice is quality or not rests with the end user.

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    The market may be a bit oversaturated, but further variety and diversity seems to always create new followers and new customer groups

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    90% of the stuff on sale is crap, anyway, and scent manufacturers know that. Only 5-10% of all the sents sell well. That's why the shelf huggers are replaced by new products every 6 months, hypes are created (on basenotes e.g.), and we get flankers without end.

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luis View Post
    90% of the stuff on sale is crap, anyway, and scent manufacturers know that. Only 5-10% of all the sents sell well. That's why the shelf huggers are replaced by new products every 6 months, hypes are created (on basenotes e.g.), and we get flankers without end.
    Yes! And the flankers (Not all the time, but in many cases) is a marketing attempt to milk every last drop of value from the already exhausted fragrance product.

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Indeed it is so. Fahrenheit Aqua is an exeption, Fahrenheit Absolute too. I must stress out that there are few gems such as Ferragamo F and F Black, Lancome Hypnose Homme, Versace Pour Homme (oh boy chicks dig that one), CH Chic for men (oh boy, chicks dig that one too), Joop Thrill Man, JC Dirty English etc. So all in all, yes, the market is quite saturated but in all the masses of fragrances, great ones occour

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    As a beginner I can relate to this topic. I've sniffed about three frags per day since the beginning of the year at the two main department stores here. It occurred to me the other day that I hadn't as yet even made even eye contact with half of what is on offer.
    But I'm getting there

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Spot on.

    From 2000 until 2011 I can count on one hand the truly special releases amongst designers.
    M7
    Gucci PH
    TdH
    Dior Homme (even though I cant stand it)
    Rive Gauche PH

    Not very good for 11 yrs worth.

    Compare that vs the 80's or 70's.

    Too much unoriginal junk.

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    Rompip,

    You are right to include Gucci PH, M7 and TdH- all very original and revolutionary for their time but of these three only TdH seems to be going strong. Gucci PH and M7 seem to be being muscled out so that Gucci and YSL can introduce more bland scents to the market. Hermes appear to me to have real integrity and still support their old releases (Bel Ami and Equipage) in one form or other.

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    Totally over saturated, each new release desperately struggling to move from 1.3% market share to 1.5%.

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    The fragrance market takes advantage of users' constant search for the promise of 'something new and different', although many new fragrances are hardly that.
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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Ultimately it's all just there in order to help you focus and define your preferences.

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    OK, this is just my opinion and I could be looking at this wrongly... so no need to sharpen the pike poles.

    If the OP is about "man, there sure is a lot of shite in the marketplace now!" or "man, the menu is too farkin huge, i just can't decide!", I agree to an extent. Then again, thanks to BN specifically and similar relatvely recent sources of such info in general, I don't need nor desire to try everything that comes out. Others with much better noses that I, do so, critique, I read, and perhaps I get interested.

    But, from a maketing viewpoint all one has to do is google the words 'mens fragrance market dynamics' or similar and there is plenty of info (notice I was careful not to write 'facts') most seeming to point in the same direction. Read up. British males have increased their purchases of celebrity frags by 2%! To get more out of the aging demographic, market penetration is the answer! So on and so forth. More celebrity frags and more flankers on the horizon seems logical. It's business, right? If the industry were chock full of philanthropic houses or houses that survived on artistic endowments, perhaps it would be different. Even the most adulated product, or more importantly the house that makes the most adulated product must survive the ultimate test: the maketplace.

    Those frequenting BN probably constitute the smallest of upper tail slivers on a bell-shaped curve re market product familiarity and quality discrimination. Like it or not, the real money / market share is had catering to a much larger segment about 'the average', for what that may mean.

    Industry marketing peeps, please correct my opinion if it is off base.

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_Russell View Post
    The market may be a bit oversaturated, but further variety and diversity seems to always create new followers and new customer groups
    True

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    it is a big market, not sure if it is oversaturated yet. It seems very tied into the fortunes of Luxury Corporations, and consumer demand for products from those companies. I don't think that has reached its peak yet, maybe in a couple of years

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    and i guess the development of new scent compounds are currently being invested in, so we can continue to smell different things. But eventually that will run its course and fewer new smells will be produced

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    I think it is to a certain extent! Just like the music market, but fragrance isn't as bad yet.

    Next thing you know, they'll have DIY perfume kits and everybody will be bedroom perfumers just like there's an overabundance of bedroom music producers.

    In the end, art is art and everybody is entitled to express it. It just makes it more difficult to find the gems.
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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Not over saturated just overwhelming ! Theres space out there for eveyone but saying that I do seem to have a constant must try list that never seems to get any shorter .

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pour_Monsieur View Post
    Not over saturated just overwhelming ! Theres space out there for eveyone but saying that I do seem to have a constant must try list that never seems to get any shorter .
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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    I think it's just a phase in the industry development. Much like electronics, the shelf life or lifecycle of a fragrance product has grown shorter & shorter. The 'early adopters' will sample the latest. The 'late adopters' will wait until a fragrance has garnered significant no. of positive reviews before venturing out to purchase, sometimes blindly. The frag geeks may study the 'specs', gather feedback from experienced noses or 'early adopters', & then cherrypick a select group of fragrances based on personal preferences.
    Experience will somehow tell you which release to ignore & where to look for the gems.

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Blame it on yourself

    The western countries are just to rich, and love to consume crap.

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    There are so many "celebrity" perfumes out there, with no other goal then to earn money on a person fame. If consumers would stick to those perfume makers who show integrity and honesty in their products, the market would be completely different.

    And this goes for the clothing industry too, and music, movies and......

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    Not only are there 1Million.....different fragrances, they spend so much money on the marketing of the product that the actual juice itself is irrelevant to a lot of these hype first and quality second companies. It's not only the designer fragrances that are the culprit as a lot of niche fragrances that are doing the same thing except they're upping the ante by charging $150.00 or more to just have the bottle itself and the elaborate packaging it comes in. It's robbery not art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentrich View Post
    It's robbery not art.
    Only if You are dependent. A free mind would dismiss all that new/revealing/get-laid nonsense. Of course the market is obersaturated by 990%. Because people in the industry don't know what You want and which could be 'good'. There are only few, Jicky, Shalimar, #5, Cool Water.

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    There are four big multinationals (IFF, Firmenich, Givaudan and Symrise) eagerly working in new aromachemicals in order to replace the ones that are becoming public due to the expiration of their patents. Thus, they are pressing industries to release new blends that are going to pay for reserach and development operations. Plus, add to this the fact that production costs are dropping. That is the reason why more scents is not synonimous of differentiation.

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    Default Re: Is the market oversaturated?

    As long as you guys buy 100+ bottles, I wouldn't say the market is oversaturated.
    I would say undersaturated even!

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    I don't really care because I don't want to sample the usual "chemical mess" frags on the shelves at the local stores.

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