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    I always read how celebrity so and so doesn't wear any deodorant... He just lets his "manly" smell do the work. I was wondering how these guys don't smell bad when they don't wear any...I feel like if I don't have any on, I smell like BO.. Any thoughts on this? Does anybody on here not wear deodorant? If so, do you just cover up any smell with fragrance, or is this a bad idea?... I know there are a couple schools of thought on this topic.
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    When you become a famous multi-millionaire and everyone wants to be around you solely because of your money, then you should give it a try. Until then, PLEASE WEAR DEODORANT!

    I wear unscented natural lichen deodorant. Completely odorless and works all day long.

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    Some people don't perspire much, so they have little bacteria breaking down to make them smell bad.

    I doubt female underarm bacteria is different from mens'. On the few times I've come across women and men who haven't washed under their arms - well - they smelled the same to me. I'm not sure what's manly about unwashed armpits, it could just as easily be womanly.

    Anyhow, there's no reason to wear deodorants when there are far more effective antiperspirants on sale.
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    Of course, celebrities will say anything to be noticed on the mags.

    For non-celebs, Europeans seem to have a higher social tolerance - or perhaps do they just sweat less? As I mentioned already elsewhere, Americans seem to love all the sporty stuff that smells like disinfectant. This may be indicative.

    As a European, I do not put deodorant, and so far I have not yet been publicly ostracized, at least, I am not aware of it. I do wash daily and after the gym, of course. Hair increases the smell (the sweat clings to the hair), and I wax, so that helps too. I also wear jackets, which also helps by introducing a barrier.

    I do spray perfume on my armpits, but not really to cover odors (I'm not sure it works - though it does contain alcohol, so it must help to kill some bacteria), but because I find it a good place to do so. The heat of the armpit makes it evaporate, yet it's covered so it remains close to the body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaheen View Post
    When you become a famous multi-millionaire and everyone wants to be around you solely because of your money, then you should give it a try. Until then, PLEASE WEAR DEODORANT!
    This made me laugh and I must agree personally.

    If you look like some of the stars that I've read go sans deodorant, great. Don't worry about it. You're famous, handsome and rich and a lot of women will overlook a lot for that (BUT not all!)

    I've read some famous very rich geniuses are the same way. If you're a billionaire, great. Billions will make people look the other way.

    If you're an average guy, don't be a fool. There are lots of unscented deodorant/anti-persperant choices. I like Clarins for Men myself.

    It's possible you may be a type of person that doesn't sweat a lot or has less problems with odor. I personally think it has a lot to do with diet. Thinking vegans probably have fewer offensive odors. I believe some Asians had a term for westerners that roughly translated as "stinks of butter" due to the higher percentage of meat and fat in our diets. I notice differences after I work out depending on what I've been eating.

    Almost anybody can go one day without. But then those bacteria start to party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post
    Anyhow, there's no reason to wear deodorants when there are far more effective antiperspirants on sale.
    Very true.

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    It's a personal thing. StylinLA is right diet has a lot to do with it.

    If you don't happen to perspire a lot and trim/shave your underarms, you won't need much, if anything, at least on cooler days. However, there are people who can't get away with any of that at all and do need it all the time.

    In any event unscented deo or anti-perspirant is the best imo.

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    I hardly ever sweat, at least in a perceptible way, and rarely use deodorant. Also, frags last a very long time with my "skin chemistry." If it's a really hot day, then I will sweat if I go outside for more than a few minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renaissance_Man View Post
    It's a personal thing. StylinLA is right diet has a lot to do with it.
    Fast food is the worst. Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post

    Anyhow, there's no reason to wear deodorants when there are far more effective antiperspirants on sale.
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    Where can I check some of these out? I'm interested in finding something without a lot of aluminum in it...most of the stuff I've found that is aluminum free is slimy or ineffective..
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    Quote Originally Posted by taint it sweet View Post
    Where can I check some of these out? I'm interested in finding something without a lot of aluminum in it...most of the stuff I've found that is aluminum free is slimy or ineffective..
    Try vitamin/health food stores or "organic" supermarkets, etc. There's the mineral crystal (both solid and in liquid form) that's a deodorant. Not sticky, no odor, no color or stains. It's considered very, very effective by most people (including myself). Other deodorants also don't generally have the aluminum but the gel or stick form will usually be sticky. It's the anti-perspirants that have the harmful aluminum, etc. and I don't know if you can even have an a-p without that.

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    The problem with antiperspirants is that they usu. contain aluminum salts, which have been implicated in long-term health problems.

    I try to only use deodorants made without aluminum. Those "deodorant natural crystals" also contain aluminum, so it's best to check the ingredients.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deodora..._neurotoxicity
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    I use a roll-on called CertainDri which you apply the night before. The next day your armpits are bone dry. I also shower daily using Dr Bronner's Peppermint liquid soap. I love being clean, it makes me feel relaxed and safe somehow.

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    Celebrities think their chit don't stink, too.....
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    Adonis...I don't know if I could apply it the night before since I always shower in the morning (and after the gym at night)... Can CertainDri be applied after a shower and still be effective, or does it need hours to set up?
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    For years I kept trying different "natural" deodorants, and none worked, so I kept using my old trusty Mitchum unscented gel, which could probably be used to seal dams. But once I quit smoking, those natural deodorants worked all of a sudden! I wonder if that had anything to do with it.
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    Years ago I tried Certain-Dri and it made my armpits itch something fierce and then they broke out in a rash. So be careful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    The problem with antiperspirants is that they usu. contain aluminum salts, which have been implicated in long-term health problems.

    I try to only use deodorants made without aluminum. Those "deodorant natural crystals" also contain aluminum, so it's best to check the ingredients.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deodora..._neurotoxicity
    Looking up up the evidence I found stuff like this:

    "However, when only aluminum-containing antacids were analyzed, the overall adjusted OR was only 0.7 (95% CI = 0.3–2.0) and there was no significant dose-response trend. These results are provocative but inconclusive due to methodologic problems relating to the necessary use of surrogate respondents and the long time period of potential exposure for this dementing disease."

    As a scientist myself I wouldn't dare to publish a paper that is inconclusive due to methodologic problems. In Europe we have a certain kind of joke that starts with: "American scientists have found, that <include any hilarious correlation of A with B>"

    Example given: "The statistical risk of lethal death increases significantly with age, especially when over 90 - take care!" This was actually not a joke, but the clue of the margarine versus butter (cholesterine) war ... I don't want to become too earnest - sorry.

    Yeah, I like a well groomed body odor and prefer it on people I love over *any* fragrance! Short flashback, as others mention the diet to make You smell: by my cholesterine figures I'm dead since 20years! By my veins I'm just that 20 years old.

    No offense!

    An other one:

    "<... BREAST CANCER!!!! ...> The aluminium content of breast tissue and breast tissue fat were in the range 4–437 nmol/g dry wt. and 3–192 nmol/g oil, respectively. The aluminium content of breast tissue in the outer regions (axilla and lateral) was significantly higher (P = 0.033) than the inner regions (middle and medial) of the breast. Whether differences in the regional distribution of aluminium in the breast are related to the known higher incidence of tumours in the outer upper quadrant of the breast remains to be ascertained."

    I personally think this is very close to fraud. Again, sorry, I don't want to offend anybody here, enjoy Your day ;-)
    Last edited by WildThingy; 10th June 2011 at 06:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildThingy View Post
    Looking up up the evidence I found stuff like this:

    "However, when only aluminum-containing antacids were analyzed, the overall adjusted OR was only 0.7 (95% CI = 0.3–2.0) and there was no significant dose-response trend. These results are provocative but inconclusive due to methodologic problems relating to the necessary use of surrogate respondents and the long time period of potential exposure for this dementing disease."

    In Europe we have a certain kind of joke that starts with: "American scientists have found, that <include any hilarious correlation of A with B>"

    Example given: "The statistical risk of lethal death increases significantly with age, especially when over 90 - take care!" This was actually not a joke, but the clue of the margarine versus butter (cholesterine) war ... I don't want to become too earnest - sorry.

    Yeah, I like a well groomed body odor and prefer it on people I love over *any* fragrance! Short flashback, as others mention the diet to make You smell: by my cholesterine figures I'm dead since 20years! By my veins I'm just that 20 years old.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00446-0148.pdf

    Read what begins on page 152.

    Another article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10697247

    Anyone can slant figures to get the conclusion they want, I guess.

    After all, George Burns smoked cigars and lived to be 100. People will smoke cigars and some people will not.

    I would better be safe than sorry and avoid aluminum salts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00446-0148.pdf

    Read what begins on page 152.

    Another article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10697247

    Anyone can slant figures to get the conclusion they want, I guess.

    After all, George Burns smoked cigars and lived to be 100. People will smoke cigars and some people will not.

    I would better be safe than sorry and avoid aluminum salts.
    First reference (dated an ancient 1985):

    "Data related to the tendency for subsequent development of neurofibrillary tangles or outright Alzheimer's disease in individuals with industrial exposure to aluminum have not, to our knowledge, been published.
    Despite its natural abundance, it is clear that aluminum can be a potent neurotoxin to certain mammalian species. The means by which the element gains access to the tangle-bearing neurons seen in the brains of Alzheimer's disease victims or of the affected Chamorro natives currently remains unknown."

    It's only speculative, exactly zero evidence yet! And the speculation isn't that plausible, too.

    Second reference (dated 2000):

    "The monthly intracisternal inoculation of aluminum chloride (AlCl3) ... receiving either single (1000 microg) or repeated sublethal (100 microg monthly) ... Our studies demonstrate that microglial activation in vivo is inhibited by AlCl3 exposure, and that a correlation exists between the extent of microglia suppression and the potential for recovery. This suggests that microglial activation is an important determinant of neuronal injury."

    1) The aluminium was injected directly into the smallish brains of those poor rabbits and check the numbers - these are more than billion times higher than any thinkable exposure by deodorant and then the rabbits eventually recovered.

    2) The focus of the study was totally differnt from checking for Alzheimer Desease.

    3) The origin of Alzheimer Desease is also related to other factors, and maybe it is not too different from scrapie or later BSE, induced by prions, which became quite popular in the early 80s (paralled by AIDS).

    I'm quite engaged with this because my physician suggested I should take a Lipobay medicamentation because of my sky rocketing cholesterine levels. If I did I would be plain dead now. From that my sceintific education was worth the effort. In made me use my brain (not demented yet) and being critical against authorities.
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    crystal stick...it's kinda like wearing no deodorant

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    Quote Originally Posted by taint it sweet View Post
    Adonis...I don't know if I could apply it the night before since I always shower in the morning (and after the gym at night)... Can CertainDri be applied after a shower and still be effective, or does it need hours to set up?
    Yes, you can shower it off in the morning. That's exactly what I do. It's very different from regular antiperspirants. Your pits will still be Mojave Desert dry. It'll take 2-3 nights of applications in the beginning until you see it work, but after that you'll only have to apply it every other night - the effects last 48 hrs, even more.

    Make sure your pits are completely dry before you roll it on, otherwise it'll sting a bit.

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    Botox is the norm for the celebs, injected under the arms it stops you sweating for 6 months or more.
    DONNA

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    Strange, I always thought celebrities use much better and more effective deodorants than the rest of us
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    I don't but I don't think I'm very smelly. Women do indeed seem to like a bit of (fresh) man sweat.

    I also would use powdered wigs instead of washing my hair, but sadly this seems to be not in fashion anymore.

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    I understand the evolutionary pheremonal advantage of sweating but now that we don't need it any more (much like body hair for warmth) I now see it as an infuriating nuisance. I used to wear different deodorants on different days to best compliment scents I was wearing, but ultimately settled on unscented.
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    I like to wear a tee shirt all the time. It seems wick sweat away and evaporate it before it has much chance to foster bacteria. Of course, there is a limit to this, in very hot weather or doing heavy exercise. But a tee shirt helps when you are wearing good clothes under normal conditions. When I wear a tank top or go shirtless, I sweat a lot and it never seems to dry. Antiperspirant has a very short life on me, and it is sticky and unpleasant. So I keep changing my tee shirt. I even took an extra tee shirt to the office in hot weather, for a quick switch at lunchtime (wearing a dress shirt on top). A quick spritz of Sea Breeze is refreshing when a wash is not possible. In Thailand, people take several showers a day, maybe one very soapy thorough one, others with less soap or even just a cool rinse. But that depends on your lifestyle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by taint it sweet View Post
    Where can I check some of these out? I'm interested in finding something without a lot of aluminum in it...most of the stuff I've found that is aluminum free is slimy or ineffective..
    You can check the internet out for "natural antiperspirant" and you will find lots of ads warning you about the horrors of aluminium salts in commercial antiperspirants, and how their stuff is better because it's natural. Keep searching and you will then find the skeptics - who laughingly relate the lack of science behind the aluminium salts scare, and who also point out that most of those natural products are indeed "natural" - as in "natural" aluminium salts.

    Aluminium salts as antiperspirants have been around for 70 or 80 years. Giving that I've never heard of anyone's death certificate citing aluminium salt poisoning, and that life spans have been increasing where everyone has been using these salts - call me a skeptic too.

    My main gripe with aluminium antiperspirants is that during the 70s and early 80s, antiperspirants contained on average 3.5% Aluminium Chlorhydoxide/ Chlorhydrate. And the very strong sports strength ones contained 4%, sometimes 4.5%. And they worked very well at those concentrations.

    But that percentage started creeping up as manufacturers seemed to have an antiperspirant arms race with each other, to now, where the strength - just looking at what is on my dressing table - ranges from 9% for my Mitchum spray can to 18% for my Rexona for Men pump spray. I suspect those concentrations are a waste of money.

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    I found in the past that aluminum-based products could make white clothes turn yellow. Has this problem been solved?

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