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    Default Paranoid About Fake

    Hi guys,

    Ever so often I read titles like 'My Crap is fake, isn't it?!!'. Now a buyer at the electronic bay suspects me to be a faker, because the juice appears to be different, no resemblance at all and such exaggerations. He has by his words a definite genuine comparison at hand which is close to end, though.

    How could that be? I'm pretty sure, a sound quality of scent and longevity like that, without any further comparison, but taken at its own would be hard to fake. And then the packaging. Why do people get anxious if they buy a bargain (this one was a 66% off)?

    I also read that Creed offerings are suspected to be fake on a regular basis. Most often it comes out, they actually are not. How prevalent is it, that frags from (by Creed standarts) less expensive, higher quality brands are faked?

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    Default Re: Paranoid About Fake

    Quote Originally Posted by WildThingy View Post
    How could that be? I'm pretty sure, a sound quality of scent and longevity like that, without any further comparison, but taken at its own would be hard to fake. And then the packaging. Why do people get anxious if they buy a bargain (this one was a 66% off)?
    Human nature I suppose. If it's too good to be true... something must be amiss.

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    The most recognized and best selling scents are prone to counterfeiters. Most of the "is this a fake" threads revolve around GIT and a couple of other Creeds, Le Male, Mugler scents.

    Most of the "is this a fake" threads are started by newbies who are generally new to men's scents. I'm guessing they buy something at a bargain price, then second guess their purchase out of insecurity. When they start google searching, they find us here.

    Plus if someone has never smelled one of these often faked scents and buys one from someplace shady, I can see where the scent may not meet their expectations and they start to wonder. The way many of these often faked scents are praised by many, the newbies may expect something "more," even if they get a legit bottle.

    WildThingy, Creed and usually GIT, are the ones that we most often see referenced, but I have seen similar threads with other scents as well. I would assert that there are so many "is my GIT fake" threads already in here that it creates an inordinate paranoia and feeds on itself.

    I don't have statistics to support, but my guess would be that designer offerings like Le Male, Aqua di Gio, A*Men are counterfeited a lot more than Creed. We don't read as much about it here because of the price differential. i.e. Someone who pays $20 for a fake Le Male is less likely to complain about it and investigate. These kinds of counterfeit scents are sold on street corners much like faked designer purses.
    Last edited by StylinLA; 17th June 2011 at 06:09 PM.

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    Not wanting to sound like a complete asshole but always buy from authorised retailers and that way you are guaranteed authenticity

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    Quote Originally Posted by StylinLA View Post
    WildThingy, Creed and usually GIT, are the ones that we most often see referenced, but I have seen similar threads with other scents as well. I would assert that there are so many "is my GIT fake" threads already in here that it creates an inordinate paranoia and feeds on itself.
    The usual suspect is the greedy human nature, too bad! But a weired 'niche' thing like, say, Secretions Magnifique faked? I know about 'designer' fakes that one might buy as You said at a corner store outside of Europe, Turkey for instance. During vacation, of course, without warranty by any means. For sure those are easily identified by obvious misspellings like DIORE HOMME or LA MILLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildThingy View Post
    The usual suspect is the greedy human nature, too bad! But a weired 'niche' thing like, say, Secretions Magnifique faked? I know about 'designer' fakes that one might buy as You said at a corner store outside of Europe, Turkey for instance. During vacation, of course, without warranty by any means. For sure those are easily identified by obvious misspellings like DIORE HOMME or LA MILLE.
    I wouldn't just chalk it up to greed, though there is some of that there. Not everyone can afford to indulge this hobby/pursuit at the same level. I think the focus with counterfeiters is always on big established name brand designers that average Joe will recognize. The man on the street has probably never heard of ELDO. Some of the fakes as you referenced are probably skirting the law- i.e. the Diore Homme - but Dior may not be able to stop them from selling it because it is spelled differently. There was a company for awhile that made a product called Green Frich Tweed, packaged in a bottle and box that looked just like GIT, but instead of "Irish" it said "Frich." if you didn't look close, the cursive writing disguised that it said "Frich."

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    You don't need to buy fake Secretions Magnifique, WildThingy. I am currently making my own. I've just collected some blood from a cut, I've persuaded the women next door to lactate into a cup for me to which I added said blood, I then spat into it and added the contents of a wrung out sweatshirt after having spent an hour on the treadmill.

    I'll add the final touch once I can locate some porn...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcrich View Post
    You don't need to buy fake Secretions Magnifique, WildThingy. I am currently making my own. I've just collected some blood from a cut, I've persuaded the women next door to lactate into a cup for me to which I added said blood, I then spat into it and added the contents of a wrung out sweatshirt after having spent an hour on the treadmill.

    I'll add the final touch once I can locate some porn...
    C'mon, this is not a Secretions Magnifique or justanotherCrap thread. If You feel curios about SM, then my suggestion is, leave BN for a while and happen to try it by incident. Means innocent. You'll find, it is below all that hype some very strong and persistent chestnut thing. Scent is about imagination. Why do people miss that when receiving their purchase suspecting it is fraud?

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    Oh, I've tried SM, and I find nothing remotely enchanting about it. It's an exercise in shock tactics (or even schlock tactics), not an exercise in perfumery.

    You are right that I may be off thread, but going off thread never seems to bother some people with their anti Creed diatribes either......
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcrich View Post
    Oh, I've tried SM, and I find nothing remotely enchanting about it. It's an exercise in shock tactics (or even schlock tactics), not an exercise in perfumery.

    You are right that I may be off thread, but going off thread never seems to bother some people with their anti Creed diatribes either......
    I didn't want to accuse You of off topic discussions. But why are people disapointed by CREED so often? Does this certain reaction to really own a product occure with other brands too? Is it just cognitive dissonance? I suspect it may be the case with any other high priced purchase, but doesn't get published. That for I'm asking here.

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    You have a point in that Creed suffer from batch variations, but if people are happy with what they get, what is the problem? You constantly infer that Creed lovers are like sheep, all caught up in the fake history, and that we lack taste. Why can't you just live and let live?

    I shall leave it to others to comment on whether or not I have correctly interpreted your motives.
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    Default Re: Paranoid About Fake

    Quote Originally Posted by Pour_Monsieur View Post
    Not wanting to sound like a complete asshole but always buy from authorised retailers and that way you are guaranteed authenticity
    Well, if that sounds asshole, then let me be one too!

    WildThingy, I sympathize with you on this. No, it doesn't have to be Creed to get faked. In fact, I think there is a lot more money in quasi-indistinguishable fakes of popular and current designer stuff than in either pricey niche or hard-to-find vintage.

    BUT - the paranoia exceeds the fakery by a wide margin. A WIDE MARGIN. And you're suffering for it, because the chances are still that you are not passing along a fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pour_Monsieur View Post
    Not wanting to sound like a complete asshole but always buy from authorised retailers and that way you are guaranteed authenticity
    I concur, and buyer beware.
    "No sweet perfume ever tortured me more than this." Desert Rose by Sting and Cheb Mami, Album 1999.

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    Well, when I was a newby, my first reaction after buying a decant of No 19 and getting that big blast of galbanum was 'uf, is this a fake?'. Now I adore it, of course. So, what StylinLa is saying is plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcrich View Post
    You have a point in that Creed suffer from batch variations, but if people are happy with what they get, what is the problem? You constantly infer that Creed lovers are like sheep, ... I shall leave it to others to comment on whether or not I have correctly interpreted your motives.
    It's not about CREED in particular. It is about a nearly full bottle of

    Histoires Des Parfum - 1969

    Smells great! But a bit to much on the feminine side. At least for a 6.3ft lighthouse like me to wear. So I wonder how the buyer, who appears to be a drummer, could miss the quality. The sheer power of this perfume reveals after some sequential wearings only. Then it is really big - and feminine.

    The buyer, as he stated, is already through a first bottle of this stuff, this purchase was supposed to be the second, so he should have the comparsion at hand. That's some kind of a strange story to say mine was fake. I think, 1969 is by far not popular enough to motivate a fake. The packaging, the *truely* - as opposed to Creed - niche marketing, and not at least the quality of the juice. Such a fake would be highly appreciated!

    I'm afraid the buyer suffers from cognitive dissonance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance), and rationalizes it by suspecting a fraud. And too I'm afraid this is encouraged by endless complaints of first time Creed buyers (these are the majority) who feel maybe quite similar with their first 'niche' purchase for big big dollar. That's the connection to Creed I think can't be mistaken as an affront against true Creed lovers, can You?

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