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    Default Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    I already own, and love, the wonderful Vetiver by Guerlain and have been looking for another Vetiver frag to add to my wardrobe. Recently I've discovered Lalique Encre Noire and have been really impressed by the excellent reviews. However there are a number of comments that draw a comparison to GV.

    My question is........as I am on a very tight budget and already own Guerlain's Vetiver, is it worth me looking to add the Lalique as well?

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    They have a total different vibe from each other and if you like a dark and smoky bitter vetiver than Encre Noir is the way to go.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    I think they are quite different to own both.
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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Quote Originally Posted by Rossi46 View Post
    ...My question is........as I am on a very tight budget and already own Guerlain's Vetiver, is it worth me looking to add the Lalique as well?
    If you like a small and not very interesting fragrance that smells pretty good but contains the most obvious use of synthetic woods ever created. But either way, I still like it almost as well as the modern (post-2000) Guerlain Vetiver which relies too heavily on aldehydes, among other major differences from the vintage.

    Yeah. Get it. It's inexpensive, smokier/nuttier, and significantly different from the modern Guerlain in all kinds of ways. I wouldn't even compare the two. And for what it's worth, my girlfriend likes it fairly well but calls it "a little high pitched", or something like that. I'd just say it's high pitched and leave the little part out of it.
    Last edited by pluran; 10th July 2011 at 07:47 PM.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    They are different, Encre noir is dark, easty, leathery. I would recommend Givenchy Vetyver which is between Encre and Guerlain. it is relatively cheap. However, the best overall vetiver for me is Malle's vetiver extraordinaire.
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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Thanks for the advice guys.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Quote Originally Posted by Rossi46 View Post
    My question is........as I am on a very tight budget and already own Guerlain's Vetiver, is it worth me looking to add the Lalique as well?
    If you can afford it, IMO it's worth it.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    They are totally different.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    As others have said, there are different and both are worth. But budgets are strict constraints, so it depends on what you'd have done with the money otherwise.

    For a different vetiver, I usually suggest the very cheap Breath of God by Lush. it's a combination of a very fresh vetiver-like note with a very smoky one (almost like burnt plastic). weird and avant-garde. it comes in stick ($10 here) and perfume ($40 here). The perfume is more smoky. In the stick, the fresh note dominates until the body heats up (eg if you are in the gym or are sweating), when you then smell also the smoky part.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Quote Originally Posted by Rossi46 View Post
    Thanks for the advice guys.
    Fellow Brit Vetiver lover here I would stick to Guerlain. Encre Noir is a bit too dry and harsh, and I find it slightly difficult to wear. Where Guerlain dries down into some sort of milder and grassy scent, Encre Noir keeps its smokiness till the end. Yet, how cool is Encre Noir bottle?!
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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Is a Land Cruiser by Toyota the same as a Cayenne?
    The only similarities are they are both capable of off roading but otherwise they are totally different vehicles.

    This analogy applies EN vs GV.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Thanks for the input everyone. I think EN will be going on my wishlist now.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Completely different scents. There are many excellent vetivers around but EN is probably the one that complements the Guerlain with the best Q/P ratio.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Very different. Guerlain - classic, citrusy, cologne-like scent; Lalique - burnt vetiver and screetchy robo-cedar. I'm indifferent to one, loathe the other.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    They are totally different, in My Opinion Encre Noir is more interesting and mysterious

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    If I were you I'd save my money to buy Sycomore.


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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    I have them both and love them both for different reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarom View Post
    If I were you I'd save my money to buy Sycomore.
    +1 to this

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    For me, "vetiver frag" is too general. For example, EN is nothing like my vintage Monsieur Lanvin Vetyver. If you want your vetiver with "robo cedar," as the other poster said, then EN is probably the way to go. Personally, I find that it makes me feel ill.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    I would not blind buy this one. It is definitely not for everyone... That being said, I kind of like the way it smells, but don't really want to smell like it... anyone else know what I mean? lol

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    One cannot speak of Guerlain's Vetiver and Encre Noire in the same sentence. GV will always be what I consider the reference vetiver. Encre Noire is the more postmodern, "arthouse" approach towards vetiver. I would also say that GV is a bit more bright, whereas EN is the dark, inky and slightly brooding variation on the theme.

    To complicate things, I would go for Guerlain Vetiver pour elle or Chanel's mighty Sycomore....

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    I don't really even consider Encre Noir a vetiver - it's a smoky wood scent. So, if you're asking if it would be redundant to have both, then no. But if you're looking another vetiver to accompany the Guerlain, I'd look elsewhere, like maybe Grey Vetiver or Givenchy Vetiver.
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    I get more smokey wood from EN than a vetiver feel. I use Guerlain Vetiver as a reference point (and a damn good reference at that!). My other vetiver is TF's Grey Vetiver. To me, this one is a modern take on a classic theme.

    Chanel's Sycomore is on my purchase list.

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    ENCRE NOIRE is a must have
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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    In terms of depth the Guerlain is in another world beyond the Lalique: beautiful, fresh, green, marshy complexity - smells like a living thing (actually kinda like the Swamp Thing ought to smell!) whereas Encre Noir is more like a single beam of dark green light shining across a darkened room. Better longevity with the EN - but of the two you'd probably want the Guerlain to be the one that stuck around longer.

    (To extend the comics metaphor: Guerlain = Swamp Thing & Lalique = Green Lantern)

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    as all have mentioned, they are poles apart in terms of approach. if you liked EN then, well you know what to do.

    personally, nothing compares to Floris Vetiver...it's the king of all vetivers, imho..

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    As others have said they aren't really that close. I'm not a big fan of Vetiver, or Guerlain's Vetiver. However, I do really love Encre Noire. Maybe because, like LiveJazz and others stated, it's more than just a vetiver fragrance. Either way, it is a must have if you like it, but not really a good candidate for a blind buy.

    Grey Vetiver is a good suggestion, as a good one between Guerlain's and EN. Also one I haven't seen mentioned yet that is good and fits between the two is The Different Company's Sel de Vetiver.

    Suggestion: Buy decants of the ones you want to try.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Thanks everyone for your input. I think a little collating is required and then I can decide on my next Vetiver frag. I like the sound of Encre Noire. The dark, smoky vibe it appears to have really appeals to me.

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    I'd say you have to try Sycomore as well as two others suggested.
    I like Encre Noir, but it's so flat to my nose compared to Sycomore: really love the evolution of that scent from sparkling green to deep brown. Encre Noir sticks more where it starts.

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Quote Originally Posted by cybermorph View Post
    I have them both and love them both for different reasons.
    +1 to this

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    The are totally different for me!
    I really LOVE both them...and for me they are 2 "must have"!!

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    Default Re: Guerlain Vetiver and Lalique Encre Noire

    Odd: quite late into the dry down Guerlain's Vetiver simply becomes Encre Noire. Anyone else noticed this?

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