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    Default Re: Dolce and Gabbana Pour Homme - reformulated?

    yes it was. new version smells brighter and more like a lemon cleaner of some sort and lacks the nice dry down the old one had. its quiet more linear, while the old version was rounder and had nice transitions.

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    Bachatu Man -

    I totally agree with the new bottle I purchased online at eBay (Made in Italy) - totally linear with very little longevity. It originally showed a lemon cleaner with a hollow mid and an almost non-existent base. It is true (as another basenotes member posted) that all the D&G Pour Homme that is current formulation Made in Germany - however, do not forget the original juice was Made in Italy with a black plastic cap and silver label, most certainly. I actually made sure that the latest bottle I bought was, in fact, Made in Germany with a Blue Cap - to get a proper reformulation and try them next to each other. I know the true original (vintage) had silver labels and black caps - but I believe the juice from Germany in the imprinted logo bottle is reformulated, but not bad. It is a lighter wear with more top notes (bright lemon and bergamot is more prevalent) while Vintage had warmer mandarin and tangerine notes - just a nice bit of spicy bergamot. Excellent opening in Vintage, but a bit too loud for some with current. I actually don't mind it as it warms to the skin and projects well. The transition into the heart is brilliant with both - lavender, sage, tarragon, cardamom and nice black pepper (a spicy green heart with warmth & depth). Vintage is, again, superior with tobacco leaf and flower entering at the end of the heart flowing into the base. Current has only a "hint" of that - but it is more of an accord rather than a note. For those of us who have worn it for over a decade-and-a-half, we expect it and our olfactory memory will sometimes put it there. Some find it - others don't. I find it, but it is very light. Important to mention - tobacco was taken off of the scent pyramid for the reformulation.

    Do you know about the significance in bottlings and countries of origin? I was told to stay away from Italian bottles of current production. Although, ironically, mine has the silver label - it is clearly either a heavy reformulation of the lemon cleaner or a knock-off, but it looks authentic...

    Thanks.

    ****UPDATE**** - the bottle I bought that threw the confusion into the mix (as I truly and deeply know Vintage Dolce & Gabbana Pour Homme), is actually authentic and real. It had not turned! The bottom line - it was stored away (possibly in a cold warehouse) and muted. It is a 125ml/4.2oz big bottle and it had never been sprayed for all those years (the code checked out to September 4, 2004) - so it was dormant, completely shutdown for over 7+ years! That is a long time for more modern fragrances like D&G Pour Homme as they do need oxygen to show themselves.

    I have "worked" the bottle into shape. About 20-25ml used - really getting into the bottle and each subsequent wearing was showing better and better. Interesting that the citrus in this bottle is not sharp at all - it is actually deep and beautiful. I am used to layering a lot of current formulation. That lemon is definitely bright in the new juice. Mandarin orange/tangerine with just a hint of lemon (it is deep citrus - warm) with lavender joining in at about 7-8 minutes...smooth and very nice (similar to the lavender in Original Versace Dreamer), then joining with nice green sage, spicy cardamom and a dash of pepper, but not too much of anything. Balance. Harmony. True form.

    Tobacco leaf and flower (so beautiful) enter after the herbs and spices and pepper. My favorite part of the wear - always has been. Lasts about 15-20 minutes until you reach the base. This bottle shows a warmness (and slight sweetness in the base) of tonka bean, cedar, sandalwood and musk - with the tobacco drifting on with a touch of coumarin and powder from the iris note (not something I really looked for before). I attributed it more to the slightly dusty feel of cedar and sandalwood, but if you search for it - iris is in the base, blended with the wood, tobacco & musk. Damn, is this beautiful!

    So - my update is significant. I ordered a partially used 80-85% full 75ml bottle from a seller - code checked out to Feb. 2005 and it arrived today! Decent shape - silver label is beat up but the bottom sticker is perfect. The juice shows that it, as the seller described, has barely ever been used. He's had the bottle for years but doesn't wear fragrance much. Don't know what he smells like - but he's a great guy! :-)

    It opens with a bit more lemon and bergamot than some other vintage bottles I have - this stuff is FRESH! The heart notes don't show up for at least 15 minutes and it's the green and slightly earthy and bitter sage and tarragon that come in first on this bottle - with the lavender very fragrant. Black pepper and cardamom show up around 30 minutes in and then the tobacco note (this has more leaf than flower). Overall, a tighter and more "focused" bottle. Time gives each and every bottle its own vibe. The base is brilliant. Lots of musk and wood, with a warm tonka bean. The Iris doesn't even peek through until about an hour.

    This, in my opinion, could be worn entirely by itself. It will, over time, I believe show more warmth as my other vintage bottles do, but this is a very nice bottle that almost feels like it was bought new (fresh batch) over 7 years ago...just off the shelf! A pristine find!

    Interesting and there was even air in the bottle (but, again, hardly used at all over the years). Authentic, true-to-form and showing exceptionally well. A bottle to be enjoyed. Got it for a very fair price. This will get some serious use in the months ahead. I can shelf the other bottle that I "opened" up with air and vigorous shaking - as that has been brought back to life and true form (but that is warm and has less top notes - just some warm mandarin/tangerine juice). Not bright like this - and this is definitely less bright than current formulation!

    The experience continues...

    Cheers,

    ericrico

    Quote Originally Posted by Bachatu Man View Post
    yes it was. new version smells brighter and more like a lemon cleaner of some sort and lacks the nice dry down the old one had. its quiet more linear, while the old version was rounder and had nice transitions.
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    Okay - the plot thickens a bit. This is getting a little crazy. I looked on bottom of the Made in Italy bottle's (silver label, black cap) box and found a UPC code. The bottle itself has a bit of a weathered metallic silver sticker - but all of my previous bottles over time saw wear as well. The sticker on the bottom has a batch code and everything! I ran the UPC Code - it is real!

    Here is what UPCdatabase.com gave me back:

    Description Dolce & Gabbana Pour Homme
    Size/Weight 4.2 oz.
    Issuing Country Italy
    Last Modified 4 Apr 2010, 2:37 PM

    A couple more lines of non-relevant data - but, here's what I don't quite get. The plastic around the spray matches the black plastic top. It has started to show its true form, so I am using it and shaking the bottle to integrate oxygen into the juice in the bottle - I am hopeful this will come around. Am I crazy for liking the blue top/Made in Germany bottle? At least it smells like (and is, as well), D&G Pour Homme. And, is it worth trying to find from a possibly honest seller a bottle of original vintage, Made in Italy juice with the silver sticker and buy another as this one came to me duff? Yes - because I know and adore Original formulation, Made in Italy juice!

    As, all points to this being 100% authentic as well! I am conflicted, to say the least...
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    my experience has been that the newer stamped logo bottles, which are made in germany, are the reformulated versions. Where as the old sticker bottles are vintage. All I know is my last bottle which had the label, was an old tester made in Italy and that one was vintage like with the full array of notes and more natural smelling. Recently I got the newer version, stamped logo made in germany, and it had the lemon cleaner vibe. I know it was authentic I got a sample from sephoras and it smelled the same, lacked the smooth tobacco and tonka at the basenotes.

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    Sooo glad I bought my D&G before it was reformulated. I bought mine in 2008 and it has the sticker. Not sure what year they changed it though.
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    Great name -

    I play through Mesa Rectifier heads (2-channel, of course). ;-) Your Top 5 is pure class - LMAO! You should duly note "Plug-in Wicks air freshener"...as it is slightly superior to Preferred Stock.

    Jokes aside.

    I am convinced by everything that I MUST procure a bottle of the juice that I remember - vintage, silver label from Italy. Although, my "Made in Germany" bottle is actually superior to the Italian bottle I got online recently (I give up on any rational explanation as even the barcode on it is checking out). I don't get the lemon cleaner notes from mine...although a lot of people are saying the reformulation is what I want to stay away from. Mind you, my bottle has been open for a few years (as I have been exploring so, so many other fragrances of today and yesteryear and it had dust on it. So, it has been "breathing" with a lot of air in the bottle for a while.

    This will be the end-all Dolce & Gabbana Pour Homme hunt. I have found one reliable seller online, but they want a pretty penny for it...shipping alone with the bottle price is almost $90 for a 4.2oz. Crazy. I used to buy a big bottle back in the day for around $50 - Vintage juice, department store price.

    I am going to play with the new stuff a bit and see what my conclusion is. Funny - I was convinced that the Made in Germany juice was what I wanted since it was so superior to the recent Made in Italy bottle I got...screechy, short and sharp. I do feel the German juice, while very solid to me, is lacking what I remember from before in terms of depth and notes.

    Cheers - rock on!


    Quote Originally Posted by mesaboogie View Post
    Sooo glad I bought my D&G before it was reformulated. I bought mine in 2008 and it has the sticker. Not sure what year they changed it though.
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    Default Re: Dolce and Gabbana Pour Homme - reformulated?

    I've written a lot on this and don't want to be redundant, but I am determined to find a vintage bottle myself. This has to be settled - this fragrance has been part of my life since the mid-90's when I finished college, started my first job, met my wife and travelled far and wide. It is a scent that has been with me in the journey of life...I am determined to find it again.

    Cheers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bachatu Man View Post
    my experience has been that the newer stamped logo bottles, which are made in germany, are the reformulated versions. Where as the old sticker bottles are vintage. All I know is my last bottle which had the label, was an old tester made in Italy and that one was vintage like with the full array of notes and more natural smelling. Recently I got the newer version, stamped logo made in germany, and it had the lemon cleaner vibe. I know it was authentic I got a sample from sephoras and it smelled the same, lacked the smooth tobacco and tonka at the basenotes.
    “Some perfumes are as fragrant as an infant’s flesh, sweet as an oboe’s cry, and greener than the spring; While others are triumphant, decadent or rich; Having the expansion of infinite things, like ambergris and musk, benzoin and frankincense, which sing the transports of the mind and every sense.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericrico View Post
    Great name -

    I play through Mesa Rectifier heads (2-channel, of course). ;-) Your Top 5 is pure class - LMAO! You should duly note "Plug-in Wicks air freshener"...as it is slightly superior to Preferred Stock.
    Nice nice, I play a 5:25 Express. Good to see another axe man on here besides those of the Dark Temptation variety. I'm glad you like the Top 5 as well.

    As for D&G PH, it is a shame they reformulated such a classic cologne. It's lovely in every way and good for any occasion or time of day/year.
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    Mission accomplished! I found very reasonably priced vintage NIB bottle, still in cellophane with the silver Dolce & Gabbana round sticker still sealing the entire package! The lot number imprinted on the bottom of the box matches the lot number on the "Made it Italy" bottle. This is true vintage! The silver label on the bottle is perfect - frozen in time. Ironically, I paid just a few cents less for this than I did for the Made in Germany bottle I recently acquired. Wow - the depth. One spray - left inner wrist. I had to pump at least 3-4 times for the spray to come out - therefore, the bottle is totally new and never been used (as advertised). I can very closely "reassemble" the cellophane and bring it together with the silver Dolce & Gabbana sticker. But why...now that I have found a 4.2oz bottle of original vintage juice - it is time to indulge.

    Side-by-side comparison: After HOURS of trying to find the original vintage for a fair price (I think these bottles will sell for $90-$110+, NIB, in the very near future if you can even find one at all). It is the smell that I knew, loved and cherished all these years. The beautiful light tobacco note integrated even from the start - 10/10. A classic, a masterpiece. Timeless and a scent for any occassion - cool weather, hot weather; formal or casual. I would wear this to a wedding in an expensive Italian suit and then to a picnic lunch at the beach the next day. It could never be offensive. The magnificent top note of fresh-squeezed mandarin and warm oriental undertones along with the gorgeous lavender, fresh-ground pepper and clary sage come together in absolute delectable harmony...WOW!

    German reformulation - I am actually surprised how good this holds up against the original. Mind you, this is an older bottle of German juice and has been in my collection for several years. It doesn't have the tobacco note - instead, it is slightly brighter with lemon, tangerine, the floral and green middle with a dash of pepper (still very good) and its warm base includes cedar, tonka bean, sandalwood and musk. However, without having a bottle of original vintage DIRECTLY next to it - it is very good juice! I would say that it carries 80-85% of the original's notes (I forgot to mention the excellent cardamon found in both as well - another key note) with a cleaner (and slightly louder citrus top - but definitely not lemon cleaner to me...it warms up on the skin and gets lavender/"green" notes and pepper within a few minutes, even on the back of my hand). The sage is there, but instead of transcending and warming up with the tobacco notes along with the rest of the drydown - the musk comes in. This is not bad, but where the scents solidify their differences. The musk is a warm musk - not white, but not dirty. The wood from the cedar and sandalwood lend a hand (along with the tonka bean) to a pleasant base. This is what will be the vast majority of the scent - integrated, like the original, with the top citrus and the rich middle. The pepper note is almost identical with the cardamon...that is essential. My overall rating for the reformulation is a very respectable and solid 8.8/10. The longevity is not as good - but after going back and forth, I am admittingly getting a bit of olfactory fatigue. The entire room is a D&G Pour Homme cloud as I applied another full spray of each right now to really nail-down the differences! ;-)

    So, I have come to the conclusion that the "Original Vintage" bottle I got before was simply, somehow just "off". I will not factor into this review. This may come as a shock to some, but I put the "true-to-form", Original Vintage bottle I just got in my "Top Tier"...but the reformulation is still excellent juice and I would have to say that I highly respect it! That is just how much I like it. Of all the reformulations I have personally suffered through over the last several years due to IFRA, companies maximizing profit, plain greed, etc. - this is one of the few that I can accept. A main reason is their honesty - they changed both the box and bottle label, it is now Made in Germany and they were honest about the ingredients changing and what was taken out and what was put in. To Dolce & Gabbana - I respect you for that and thank you for continuing quality production of a classic scent that will be an absolute staple in my wardrobe for many years to come. It is one of the best masculine scents ever created and is still wonderful...cheers!
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    ^ Excellent post and very helpful. Thanks Eric.

    I'm still debating tracking down a bottle. I also agree that the reformula is pretty close to the original in a way and not a bad scent per-se. Of course, if you love and owned the original for a while, you will always prefer it to any reformula. Especially one with a noticible difference.
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    Hi Surfacing -

    I appreciate the compliment.

    I would make the same recommendation to you (a true fragrance aficionado and someone I admire here on Basenotes) as I would to someone who is totally new to the world of scent...only seek out and buy the Original Vintage if you are willing to pay a premium, but know that the current production (as long as it's authentic) is really great juice and is also guaranteed to be fresher.

    There is no sense, IMHO, for 99% of the people who want this fragrance to go out of their way and look for only original vintage D&G Pour Homme. I am happy and, in a strange way, relieved to do this side-by-side comparison. I can now focus my attention to buying classic scents that are no longer in any sort of production and also original vintage bottles of juice that the reformulation has ruined completely (where oakmoss was a key ingredient, for example).

    Cheers!

    Quote Originally Posted by Surfacing View Post
    ^ Excellent post and very helpful. Thanks Eric.

    I'm still debating tracking down a bottle. I also agree that the reformula is pretty close to the original in a way and not a bad scent per-se. Of course, if you love and owned the original for a while, you will always prefer it to any reformula. Especially one with a noticible difference.
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    First post here after about a year of lurking. I have a very similar story to yours Ericorico regarding Dolce and Gabbana pour homme. It was the first fragrance I picked out for myself as a freshman in college, and pretty much for the next 6 years was my signature fragrance. In the past few years I've been moving from Boston to SF to NY, and during this time I left it at my dad's house in Minnesota to avoid unnecessary transit and possible damage, feeling comfortable knowing that it was safe. To my great dismay however, I recently went home and couldn't locate D&G among my old small collection of fragrances, and after searching high and low I found out that my dad's girlfriend broke the 4.2 oz bottle while reorganizing the house. I was pretty sad to learn this, and sadder still to learn that the fragrance has been reformulated and difficult to find.

    It's a little confusing with all of the different possible bottles, a possible scent change before the bottle change, and sites of manufacture. Would you mind sharing the serial codes on each of your bottles (not just the UPC, but the 4-digit number on the back of the box or bottom of the bottle). I recently purchased a bottle with the old silver sticker, and the serial code on checkcosmetic.net says it's from July 2007, but the UPC code says an identical message to yours, 4 April 2010. I'm thinking that the UPC code might be recycled by the company, who has to re-enter it into the database yearly and it gets "updated" without really meaning that the product initially assigned that code way back when matches the current UPC date.

    Anyway, I'm very interested to know what serial codes your bottles turn out to have. I think this bottle smells pretty much how I remember it, except that it seems lighter to me, especially since I remember DG pour homme to be a monster in projection. To be honest, it has been awhile since I smelled my old vintage, now lost juice, and since then smelling the new version has confused my nose.

    I would appreciate any input you have, and hope my bottle is the real deal, and that I'm just more attuned to stronger scents since finding Basenotes. Thanks!

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    Hey locke22 -

    I remember your post from a while back...funny, because I could relate to the "getting back that precious juice"-mentality us fragrance lovers have.

    I have to do research and pull out the bottles I have - they are stored in a cool, dry place right now (and I'm not at home).

    I would say a simply solution is to have your dad's girlfriend who broke the bottle buy you a new one from a reputable seller on eBay! ;-)

    Jokes aside...I hope your bottle is the real deal too. But, you know, a funny thing. The most recent bottle of vintage I got was so warm, smooth and harmonious that I didn't find it to be terribly "loud". When I was a younger guy with this stuff, I would put on 8-10+ full sprays when getting ready and the 2-3 more for good luck on the way out the door! If you were like me, you had a cloud of D&G Pour Homme around you for hours. Of course you got compliments - if you were like me, the memory of the monster projection was from the heavy application! Also, the fragrance was simply fresher. The bottle I just got was still wrapped, perfectly, in cellophane! It is so deep & wonderful, yet even compared to my memory, it is not as powerful. At the same time, I can say that I have grown tremendously in olfactory experience and knowledge. As well, I have a lot of strong, "powerhouse" scents that make D&G Pour Homme look timid ;-). I love Vintage fragrance and have a lot of treasures from many years ago that last for 8-12+ hours and have truly incredible sillage/projection.

    Any way, I will get back to you once I can get to those bottles, but remember - it's all about "how" the scent smells and the pleasure you get from it. I am really enjoying the Reformulated juice Made in Germany - it is different, but the fragrance retains its essence and has a wonderful, clean and fresh smell. And, like a lot of reformulations, the top notes are much more pronounced (especially the nice citrus). So, I actually get a lot of projection from the reformulation in the first hour or so - and layered with the Vintage, you get the best of both worlds!

    Cheers!

    Quote Originally Posted by locke22 View Post
    First post here after about a year of lurking. I have a very similar story to yours Ericorico regarding Dolce and Gabbana pour homme. It was the first fragrance I picked out for myself as a freshman in college, and pretty much for the next 6 years was my signature fragrance. In the past few years I've been moving from Boston to SF to NY, and during this time I left it at my dad's house in Minnesota to avoid unnecessary transit and possible damage, feeling comfortable knowing that it was safe. To my great dismay however, I recently went home and couldn't locate D&G among my old small collection of fragrances, and after searching high and low I found out that my dad's girlfriend broke the 4.2 oz bottle while reorganizing the house. I was pretty sad to learn this, and sadder still to learn that the fragrance has been reformulated and difficult to find.

    It's a little confusing with all of the different possible bottles, a possible scent change before the bottle change, and sites of manufacture. Would you mind sharing the serial codes on each of your bottles (not just the UPC, but the 4-digit number on the back of the box or bottom of the bottle). I recently purchased a bottle with the old silver sticker, and the serial code on checkcosmetic.net says it's from July 2007, but the UPC code says an identical message to yours, 4 April 2010. I'm thinking that the UPC code might be recycled by the company, who has to re-enter it into the database yearly and it gets "updated" without really meaning that the product initially assigned that code way back when matches the current UPC date.

    Anyway, I'm very interested to know what serial codes your bottles turn out to have. I think this bottle smells pretty much how I remember it, except that it seems lighter to me, especially since I remember DG pour homme to be a monster in projection. To be honest, it has been awhile since I smelled my old vintage, now lost juice, and since then smelling the new version has confused my nose.

    I would appreciate any input you have, and hope my bottle is the real deal, and that I'm just more attuned to stronger scents since finding Basenotes. Thanks!
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    @Ericrico

    Glad you found your vintage Dg ph again!
    I guess you were pretty much confused as your previous made in Italy sticker bottle was a bad one while it shouldn't..............
    I think this was really really bad luck as the bottle probably went bad in sunlight or temperature changes or something.

    To add: this is what I wrote a little while ago on another thread about reformulated DG ph:

    As mentioned in other threads it's simple............

    The one with the sticker on the glass (made in Italy! version) is the vintage one (pre 2008/07) and the one with the good smell with tobacco etc.
    The one with the signature embossed in the glass (after 2007 formulation) is the new almost lemon only frag without tobacco (and is made in Germany!).

    I have the new formulation already for 2 years and I liked it as a fresh lemony summer scent.
    Now I got hold of the made in Italy sticker version and this is so much better!
    This is not even a summer frag anymore but a full rich lemon/tobacco based fall/winter frag!

    I think both versions layer perfectly and layering makes it a more versatile scent as well!! It also makes the vintage bottle last longer as you have to use less.
    I am happy with both (75ml) but the sticker version is way way better constructed and worth the money!
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    - Dolce & Gabbana: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Paco Rabanne: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Azzaro: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Tom Ford: Ombré Leather
    - Guerlain: Héritage (vtg)
    - Davidoff: Leather Blend
    - YSL: Kouros (Fraîcheur)
    - Armani: Acqua di Gio Profumo
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    Hey locke22 -

    I was able to locate the batch number on the bottom of the bottle - and entered it into checkcosmetic.net's Dolce & Gabbana cross-referenced database. Mine is perfectly-preserved vintage juice...the date of manufacture is July 16, 2003! I knew it was older from the box as I had seen another 2007 box that was slightly different in online pictures.

    But, the juice is magnificent and I couldn't be happier. Funny thing is that checkcosmetic.net gave me a big RED X saying it is past its shelf life of 36 months (3 years). LOL! So, I guess I have to look for fresher vintage juice that doesn't exist.

    A final thought - to perhaps ease your mind a bit too - simply enjoy the fragrance. Put an extra couple shots on if you want more projection and look for other fragrances that give you olfactory pleasure. We all have favorites in this world, but my collection varies so broad and diverse - from modern classics (D&G Pour Homme, Jean-Paul Gaultier Le Male, Gucci Pour Homme - Original Vintage and Tom Ford-era, Gucci Envy, literally more than a dozen Vetivers, incense-laden fragrances, classic chypres, Aromatic Fougeres, a lot of vintage "powerhouse" scents from the 80's and niche fragrances). My wardrobe only lists a small amount of what I actually have.

    Ironically, my favorite fragrance of ALL time in Vintage Paco Rabanne Pour Homme (originally made in 1973) and I have LOTS of it - including large flacons (8oz and bigger!) of true Original Vintage (from 1973)...all perfectly preserved! Being a new member on here, I would highly-recommend finding specific notes that you like and start your journey that way. It is a simple way to get really into the world of fragrance and start building up a collection of bottles to choose from. D&G Pour Homme will be there - but, you can also broaden your horizons and wear a variety of scents to suit everything from your environment, clothes, mood & the weather. All of those elements play a part in how a scent comes across to both you & those around you.

    Cheers, man!

    Quote Originally Posted by locke22 View Post
    First post here after about a year of lurking. I have a very similar story to yours Ericorico regarding Dolce and Gabbana pour homme. It was the first fragrance I picked out for myself as a freshman in college, and pretty much for the next 6 years was my signature fragrance. In the past few years I've been moving from Boston to SF to NY, and during this time I left it at my dad's house in Minnesota to avoid unnecessary transit and possible damage, feeling comfortable knowing that it was safe. To my great dismay however, I recently went home and couldn't locate D&G among my old small collection of fragrances, and after searching high and low I found out that my dad's girlfriend broke the 4.2 oz bottle while reorganizing the house. I was pretty sad to learn this, and sadder still to learn that the fragrance has been reformulated and difficult to find.

    It's a little confusing with all of the different possible bottles, a possible scent change before the bottle change, and sites of manufacture. Would you mind sharing the serial codes on each of your bottles (not just the UPC, but the 4-digit number on the back of the box or bottom of the bottle). I recently purchased a bottle with the old silver sticker, and the serial code on checkcosmetic.net says it's from July 2007, but the UPC code says an identical message to yours, 4 April 2010. I'm thinking that the UPC code might be recycled by the company, who has to re-enter it into the database yearly and it gets "updated" without really meaning that the product initially assigned that code way back when matches the current UPC date.

    Anyway, I'm very interested to know what serial codes your bottles turn out to have. I think this bottle smells pretty much how I remember it, except that it seems lighter to me, especially since I remember DG pour homme to be a monster in projection. To be honest, it has been awhile since I smelled my old vintage, now lost juice, and since then smelling the new version has confused my nose.

    I would appreciate any input you have, and hope my bottle is the real deal, and that I'm just more attuned to stronger scents since finding Basenotes. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slayerized View Post
    ...I have the new formulation already for 2 years and I liked it as a fresh lemony summer scent.
    Now I got hold of the made in Italy sticker version and this is so much better!
    This is not even a summer frag anymore but a full rich lemon/tobacco based fall/winter frag!...
    I disagree that the new formula is a "fresh lemony summer scent". I've tried it three times now. It is similar to vintage ( to me). But it is still not as good ( I agree with you here, as well as Eric and others). Vintage smells richer up top. More evolving. And of course, much more potent.

    The new ( current ) formula has a more simple top and reaches the dry down quicker. I still get the musky tobacco accord. No doubt about it. I actually can't notice the lemon once the top notes have transitioned. I would still rate the current as a good fragrance.
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    Just checked mine on checkcosmetic.net:

    My vintage version is from April 15, 2005
    My new version is from October 30, 2009


    @surfacing
    I can only smell the tobacco of the reformulation in the drydown and the vintage has it in the opening already imo hence the richness.
    I agree and also said that the reformulation is still good but imo it's more to the unisex direction, less potent and less sillage/longevity.

    That the reformulation is still a good scent says a lot about the vintage...................
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    - Dolce & Gabbana: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Paco Rabanne: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Azzaro: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Tom Ford: Ombré Leather
    - Guerlain: Héritage (vtg)
    - Davidoff: Leather Blend
    - YSL: Kouros (Fraîcheur)
    - Armani: Acqua di Gio Profumo
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    Couple of good responses gentlemen. I pulled out the "off" bottle of Italian juice which could be a 'transition' year as well. I am seeing several bottles on eBay with the Silver sticker label that we all salivate like Pavlov's dogs for - but, the box (low & behold) is the silver printed logo (no silver rectangle logo like the sticker). I am seeing it more and more...take a look for yourselves.

    The box and bottle say "Made in Italy" and the seller holds to it that it is authentic. I sprayed two shots on my inner wrists a short while back - it wasn't as harsh this time around (air in the bottle let it breathe, yes!) I actually got some nice middle notes with more than hint of tobacco...then, it slowly faded out. I firmly believe that this bottle is muted, but not ruined. It is showing true notes indicative of Original Dolce & Gabbana, but it is closed. I need to simply spray more, allow air to enter the bottle (ie. make room for some) and then, hopefully, the juice will come to life. Like wine, fragrances need oxygen to 'breathe' and show their potential. This must've been stored in, perhaps, a very cold warehouse. Heat/light would have ruined it - period. My best guess is that it is partially shut-down, but here's hoping it comes around.

    The crooked "L" in the six digit code on the bottom of the bottle was actually the left angle of the number "4". There is another "4" in the code, ironically. When I put the bottle up to light I can see the indentation of the straight vertical, "l", for the "4" next to the crooked "L". I feel a bit foolish, but at first glance in rather poor lighting, it was not clear. The number checks out.

    Important to note - this may be a tester. That would also explain why it was put into a box without the silver rectangle. I know several sellers on eBay who have done this. Again, this seller was firm it was authentic and he even offered to take the bottle back if I wasn't happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericrico View Post
    Couple of good responses gentlemen. I pulled out the "off" bottle of Italian juice which could be a 'transition' year as well. I am seeing several bottles on eBay with the Silver sticker label that we all salivate like Pavlov's dogs for - but, the box (low & behold) is the silver printed logo (no silver rectangle logo like the sticker). I am seeing it more and more...take a look for yourselves...
    I see this one alot on eBay. Honestly, I don't use eBay much anymore, especially for fragrances. But with this Dolce, I would stay away personally. I know it is faked alot. The sellers likely do not even know ! It doesn't mean that they are all fakes, of course. ....

    Sorry to read about your new air freshener ... it just lasts an hour ? Thats a shame, but maybe it can change ? ( ie, sometimes setting a bottle aside, and then comming "back to it" reveals different results)
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    Yes, normally the batch number of Dg ph does not have a letter!

    You really don't wanna know how many fake DG ph's there are in circulation ericrico..............the Dutch trade site is full of them!
    The one I bought was legit and it was in a gift set (and it was a 75 ml version)!

    Further thing to notice is that the fakes are (almost) always produced in the highest ml (or FL for Americans) amounts!
    Eg. The DG ph fakes are only 125 ml and the smaller amounts are the real deal!
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    - Dolce & Gabbana: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Paco Rabanne: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Azzaro: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Tom Ford: Ombré Leather
    - Guerlain: Héritage (vtg)
    - Davidoff: Leather Blend
    - YSL: Kouros (Fraîcheur)
    - Armani: Acqua di Gio Profumo
    - MPG: Santal Noble
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    Quote Originally Posted by moore View Post
    ... or a substitute: Gucci Guilty PH, Boss Bottled, Baldessarini, Boss Orange Men...
    !!!
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    Yeah, Slayerized, I know. I got that sinking feeling...

    But, the juice is packaged and bottle correctly - and, after writing what I wrote, Surfacing mentioned that it might need time to open up. Funny thing is that I reapplied just two more shots on my inner wrists and it gave me true-to-form notes (even the warm tobacco) and lasted until I took a shower about two hours later...?

    Regardless, it is now totally inoffensive and we'll see if it comes around - otherwise, I see it is a bottle to layer for either a richer opening, or better yet, a touch up/refresher bottle to get me a couple more hours later in the day. Funny thing - I actually like some fragrances not to last too long, as I like to change things up during the day without having to take 2-3 showers. So, I got what I got and I'm stuck with it.

    It could be worse. I could have a bottle of Gucci Guilty PH, Boss Bottled, Baldessarini, or Boss Orange Men...LOL!

    Cheers!
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    lol!

    If it's that light I would spray some in my hand mixed with scentless aftershave balsem and put it around face/neck area to increase the longevity of the real one!
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    - Dolce & Gabbana: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Paco Rabanne: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Azzaro: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Tom Ford: Ombré Leather
    - Guerlain: Héritage (vtg)
    - Davidoff: Leather Blend
    - YSL: Kouros (Fraîcheur)
    - Armani: Acqua di Gio Profumo
    - MPG: Santal Noble
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    Lucky me, just got hold of a "brand new" vintage DG ph sticker back-up bottle made in Italy, 75 ml, package in cellophane for 30 euros!
    My Top '11' :

    - Dolce & Gabbana: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Paco Rabanne: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Azzaro: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Tom Ford: Ombré Leather
    - Guerlain: Héritage (vtg)
    - Davidoff: Leather Blend
    - YSL: Kouros (Fraîcheur)
    - Armani: Acqua di Gio Profumo
    - MPG: Santal Noble
    - Hermes: Terre d'Hermes
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    Awesome! Congratulations, Slayerized!

    Not super cheap, but a great find nonetheless...enjoy.

    Cheers!

    PS - I guess this karma thing is going around...I just got another Vintage Paco Rabanne Pour Homme bottle (yet, another 8oz large flacon - great condition) for $55!

    I have a new tagline - "If any of us Basenoters ever meet, will we shake hands or sniff each other like dogs...?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Slayerized View Post
    Lucky me, just got hold of a "brand new" vintage DG ph sticker back-up bottle made in Italy, 75 ml, package in cellophane for 30 euros!
    “Some perfumes are as fragrant as an infant’s flesh, sweet as an oboe’s cry, and greener than the spring; While others are triumphant, decadent or rich; Having the expansion of infinite things, like ambergris and musk, benzoin and frankincense, which sing the transports of the mind and every sense.”

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    @ericrico

    lol, u know where dogs sniff?

    Anyway, you now must have enough Paco Rabanne to outlive the next millenium, don't you, lol!

    30 euros for 75 ml of vintage DG ph not cheap? Even the current formula is here like 40 euros at least for 75 ml, so for me it's a steal!
    My Top '11' :

    - Dolce & Gabbana: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Paco Rabanne: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Azzaro: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Tom Ford: Ombré Leather
    - Guerlain: Héritage (vtg)
    - Davidoff: Leather Blend
    - YSL: Kouros (Fraîcheur)
    - Armani: Acqua di Gio Profumo
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    @Slayerized

    Yeah - hilarious man, I was going to add to the tagline, "but a little higher up". Funny stuff.

    I realized, in life, you could never have too much love, too many good friends, too much honesty...and never enough Vintage Paco Rabanne!

    Actually - I take it back...a good deal for the D&G Pour Homme. I thought the exchange rate was 1.5-1.6 Euros to the USD. You did fine, man! I may pick up another vintage bottle.

    My passion du jour right now is Original Formulation Zino Davidoff. Wearing it today - layered with new formula. Lots of threads that I have chimed in on here. Amazing, unique fragrance - recently reformulated! Almost all sellers are still showing the old bottle. I have even been deliberately lied to - crazy!

    It is Johnny Depp's signature fragrance, but I don't care about who in Hollywood wears what. It is simply amazing juice!

    So - to change things up...what do you think of Zino Davidoff man??

    Quote Originally Posted by Slayerized View Post
    @ericrico

    lol, u know where dogs sniff?

    Anyway, you now must have enough Paco Rabanne to outlive the next millenium, don't you, lol!

    30 euros for 75 ml of vintage DG ph not cheap? Even the current formula is here like 40 euros at least for 75 ml, so for me it's a steal!
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    Coming back to this old thread now after a while.

    As most of us have heard, Dolce & Gabbana are releasing the latest reformulation of Pour Homme - with Tobacco listed as the first base note! Here is the link - perfumemaster.org/Latest-Fragrance-News/Dolce-Gabbana-New-Pour-Femme-And-Pour-Homme-For-2012

    If anyone has tried this or sampled at a dept. store, it is coming out this month everywhere. I am hopeful and cautiously optimistic about THIS reformulation, although the Made in Germany juice has been good (just not the rich and warm Vintage Italian/"Silver Sticker Label" bottles). But, in this day and age where fragrance lines are being shutdown if they don't sell, I see this as a potential move to keep the fragrance alive. In the press release they talk a little about "maturing" - that is, Dolce & Gabbana themselves...and bringing tobacco (both flower & leaf in vintage) back into the composition as a listed note is essential. The overall note pyramid is scaled back.

    Some of us found a tobacco note (or possibly an accord) in the German reformulated juice. Personally, I didn't - but I almost always layered it with Vintage...so the point was moot. I got my rich, warm tobacco and spiked the top and heart notes. It wears well as we've discussed, when layered. On its own, it was a good reformulation. And, now...this.

    Please fellow Basenoters - share your experiences. Start a new thread (if there isn't one already) or just add on here. I am not going to rush out and buy the new formulation just yet. Something (maybe it's my "maturity") tells me that Vintage bottles I have are never going to be replicated in depth and richness. While, I wait in the wings to see...but, this bottle is probably not going to disappear overnight - so I don't feel the need to try it.

    And, a final follow up...I am well into that bottle of true Original Formulation that was muted. After using a good amount of the juice and incorporating air, it wears in true form now. That "shut-down" bottle's serial number was not a slightly inverted "L"...my silly mistake. It was actually a "4" with the vertical line imprinted faintly, but the actual ink had worn off. I feel a bit foolish, but it became very clear when I held it up to good light and then saw both the angle (as there is another 4 in the serial number to compare it to) and the slight indent of the vertical line. Regardless, being a wine collector and having a large amount in storage, I understand how olfactory notes shutdown over time and the role oxygen plays in opening up scents.

    Funny where this thread took us - as we are now going to be examining yet another reformulation that harkens back to the original D&G Pour Homme. We shall see...

    Cheers.

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    ^^^

    Fingers crossed!

    The new one has a new lid so identifying it will be easy.

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    This new "reformulation" is more of a relaunch of D&G Pour Homme than a reformulation (though technically, it is a reformulation). They're making a big deal of it rather than trying to sneak it in under the radar. I have high hopes!
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