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    Default I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Hi All,

    I've been fantasizing about real musk, many have said it is out of this world.

    I've always been a fan of musk. I got a bottle of musk from Turkey 15 years (which I believe is synthetic) that got me hooked, and I still have it to this day.

    I also got a bottle of Egyptian Musk by Sukran:
    http://www.aromaticattars.com/index....roducts_id=146
    And loved it. Always go back for more.

    So, has anyone smelled the real thing? And, is there anything like it in the synthetics world? Or close to it? I'm so curious!

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    Mohammad

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Many years ago I smelled antelope musk in Africa. It was an incredibly pungent smell

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    I have smelled musk from a musk pod and it is really pungent as Hednic says. I have also had this oil that had real musk and civet as well as other natural components and one little dab of it on your little finger was enough for you to stink to high heaven. Natural ingredients is not always better than synthetic for wearable fragrances.

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    I have one right now but its a small sample like 6 Ml so it is now lost somewhere in my house
    Ill search for it
    It smells good but not wearable in my opinion

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    I have smelled the real musc tonkin at the osmotheque(with the fur etc... in a jar) it's sexual but not as dirty as civet. I have also smelled real civet and it's horrific in comparison (strong smell of urine).
    The perfumeur told me it's still legal to use real musc tonkin in perfume today, it's just recommandations from the IFRA so everyone use synthetic thing because if never someone go in justice for a skin problem they will probably loose. Too bad because it's impossible to restitute the same feeling with synthetic. Even if you don't clearly smell the musc note it's the little detail who make the classic perfume "complete".

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    I do not know if I have tried real musk yet. Being from the middle east, I've been to countless perfumes stores who claim they sell real deer musk, ranging in prices from $10 to hundreds. However in general, they all had a sweet dirty smell, but nowhere as nasty as civet. The best one I have tried was by Ajmal, a limited edition exclusive to Paris Gallery in Dubai. It was incredible but I can not tell for sure if it's real or not...At over $500, if I remember correctly, I could not afford it.

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mon-Petit View Post
    I have smelled the real musc tonkin at the osmotheque(with the fur etc... in a jar) it's sexual but not as dirty as civet. I have also smelled real civet and it's horrific in comparison (strong smell of urine).
    The perfumeur told me it's still legal to use real musc tonkin in perfume today, it's just recommandations from the IFRA so everyone use synthetic thing because if never someone go in justice for a skin problem they will probably loose. Too bad because it's impossible to restitute the same feeling with synthetic. Even if you don't clearly smell the musc note it's the little detail who make the classic perfume "complete".
    There may be many good and not-so-good reasons for the fact that real musk is not used by most perfumers, but IFRA is not one of them. IFRA issue Standards which restrict or prohibit the use of materials based on evidence that they may cause skin sensitisation, irritation or other health issues. They make no comment on the use of natural or synthetic materials beyond that. There are no health concerns in respect of the major animal perfume ingredients nor with most of their synthetic substitutes. IFRA does not restrict or prohibit them.
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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Its nothing like civet , It smells really better
    Civet smell makes me puke

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    There may be many good and not-so-good reasons for the fact that real musk is not used by most perfumers, but IFRA is not one of them. IFRA issue Standards which restrict or prohibit the use of materials based on evidence that they may cause skin sensitisation, irritation or other health issues. They make no comment on the use of natural or synthetic materials beyond that. There are no health concerns in respect of the major animal perfume ingredients nor with most of their synthetic substitutes. IFRA does not restrict or prohibit them.
    Maybe not IFRA but another organism (i don't know wich one the perfumer refered, whatever) which are making recommandations to not use natural material. If an holywood star has a red spot on the nose cased by an allergy after having vaporised a perfume, if the perfumeur didn't follow the recommandations he will be guilty. Btw it's just what this guy told me at the osmotheque : )

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Asaskian View Post

    Aromatic nitro musks (esp. Musk xylene) are dangerous i.e. carcinogenic and since 80s has been practically banned.
    That's correct: musk xylene is listed in line 72 of the Prohibitions Stds sheet of the spreadsheet file I linked to . . .
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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mon-Petit View Post
    Maybe not IFRA but another organism (i don't know wich one the perfumer refered, whatever) which are making recommandations to not use natural material. If an holywood star has a red spot on the nose cased by an allergy after having vaporised a perfume, if the perfumeur didn't follow the recommandations he will be guilty. Btw it's just what this guy told me at the osmotheque : )
    Perfumery is fortunate in having a voluntary regulation mechanism and one, international, body to coordinate it - IFRA - there are laws in individual countries which may be relevant, but there are no other international guidelines. 'this guy' was probably referring to the nitro-musks not the natural product. There are many other natural products that are restricted by IFRA, but natural musk deer extract is not one of them. Check the spreadsheet for yourself. . .
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    I didn't say it was restricted, that's exactly the inverse lol
    The guy told the same as you (and was a former perfumeur at Chanel and a professional in perfume industry, not a student lol) it's just recommandations (not obligations or restrictions).And we are talking about real musc tonkin and other animals materials...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mon-Petit View Post
    I didn't say it was restricted, that's exactly the inverse lol
    The guy told the same as you (and was a former perfumeur at Chanel and a professional in perfume industry, not a student lol) it's just recommandations (not obligations or restrictions).And we are talking about real musc tonkin and other animals materials...
    It isn't restricted, prohibited nor are there any recommendations against its use produced by IFRA: look for yourself. There are good ethical arguments against it's use certainly, but don't blame IFRA or any other regulatory body for this - it simply isn't so.
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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    On the subject of civet;

    It was of my understanding that civet (or civet analogues) included in fragrances are not for the actual purpose of having a distinguinshable civet note, just adding depth or separation to other notes, what with actual civet smelling awful and what not

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Bartlett View Post
    There are good ethical arguments against it's use certainly, but don't blame IFRA or any other regulatory body for this - it simply isn't so.
    When talking about the trade in natural products, IFRA is not the only international regulatory body that applies.

    Specifically, CITES lists all musk deer species in Appendix I and II of the convention, and in Resolution Conf. 11.7, urges all parties "working with musk consumers to develop alternatives for raw musk in order to reduce demand for natural musk, while encouraging the development of safe and effective techniques for collecting musk from live musk deer" (resolution). So far, only 175 individual countries are signatories to the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species, (chronologic list) but the remainder probably do not constitute much of a market for legitimate trade.

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    Wow, I'll be sure to wander around in the souks of Dubai looking for musk whenever I'm there. I generally love musk and musk smellig perfumes, which somewhat evolved into a fantasy of smelling the real thing...

    I'm also keen on looking up that Special edition from Ajmal...

    Thanks all.

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    Yes, I have smelled real musk. I'm giving away my age, but my mother used to wear perfumes from the 40s and 50s. I remember the dry down to this day--when all the floral components had evaporated. In less ethical days (I gave $1000 to the Nature Conservancy to assuage my conscience), I ordered some musks from agarscents but they didn't remind me of my mother's perfume. Finally, I bit the bullet and bought some of his "red musk." It wasn't cheap (about $400 for 4 ml.), but when I smelled it I knew it was the real thing. It had a dry powdery quality that reminded me of my mother's old bottle of Joy and her skin when she'd come back from a party. It was glorious, but once I smelled it, I realized I couldn't use it because I could never order more. But it sits on my shelf (diluted to 10%) and is so strong that one drop to a hundred and it still comes through, bright as ever. I sometimes add it to my personal fragrances just so they remind me of vintage perfumes, but I would never put it in a commercial perfume.

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    I have a few frags that are based on real deer musk, and I do think it's effects can be replicated with some accuracy in modern perfumery.

    Many "dirty musk" type frags come close, Absolue pour le Soir being the one of that particular genre that I own and enjoy.

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    I've tried to emulate the aroma of authentic musk in my musk for Brooklyn Perfume Company. Of course it isn't the real thing, but it's the closest I've smelled. (Of course I'm prejudiced.)

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Quote Originally Posted by James Peterson View Post
    I've tried to emulate the aroma of authentic musk in my musk for Brooklyn Perfume Company. Of course it isn't the real thing, but it's the closest I've smelled. (Of course I'm prejudiced.)
    I agree, I have only tried a very small swipe but it was very accurate imo... As I understand it, the way it is processed in the making of the frag can change it's smell a good bit... one frag I have contains musk that smells closer to your musk frag and the other two have been made to accentuate the sweet side of musk and are more "approachable". I think your musk would be very interesting layered with an innocent floral frag or maybe even with an oud frag. Have you tried adding your musk to your oud frag?

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    Not to the oud frag. I've experimented with adding it to just about anything but I was concerned that it would be recognized in my other frags and that my frags would start to smell all the same. But it does add good things. I like your floral idea…must try.

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    I have real Deer Musk that has been diluted in Sandalwood and it smells very feral and ' animalistic. It's also kind of hypnotic, like you are smelling the fur from a living animal. It's not something I could wear, I don't want to smell like I have just skinned a animal.lol....... Also it smell's very primal.
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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Two of the frags I have are primarily musk, ambergris and oud, all very high quality... Oud is slightly psychoactive itsself but when mixed with musk and ambergris the effect is added to so I can see why you'd say the musk/sandalwood combo is hypnotic!

    James, I think you should try adding your musk frag to your other frags, not enough so it's a major player but it may add to the base in a nice way... My first thought was to combine it with an indolic floral blend, I think that could work out really well. While they do smell different the concept of offering a bare bones "dirty" musk frag is similar to Untitled #8, if you haven't tried that luckyscent carries samples. It will be interesting to try layering your musk with some other frags...

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    I had 1/4 tola of ASAQ Black Musk Gazelle sourced from Saudi Arabia. On it's own it's not very wearable as it's animalic and intense. I added a touch to some Amouage Tribute and it provided a compelling depth that was addictive. Roja Parfums Fetish has similar animalic qualities.
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    Thank you Dorje123,
    I have been using my musk in my experiments in my lab, especially in compounds calling for other musks (to which I'm often anosmic) such as galaxolide. It is very strong and exhibits its effects at extremely small dosages. While I haven't smelled a huge number of the musks out there, I find them all to be excessively sweet with no animal component. I wasn't too fond of Absolue Pour le Soir as I found it a bit cloying.

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Is there no way to purchase this in the US?
    My $.02

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    Quote Originally Posted by James Peterson View Post
    Thank you Dorje123,
    I have been using my musk in my experiments in my lab, especially in compounds calling for other musks (to which I'm often anosmic) such as galaxolide. It is very strong and exhibits its effects at extremely small dosages. While I haven't smelled a huge number of the musks out there, I find them all to be excessively sweet with no animal component. I wasn't too fond of Absolue Pour le Soir as I found it a bit cloying.
    I could see AplS as cloying for sure, it's super strong! I recently got a sample of the cologne version which is much lighter. I can't tell if the pour le Soir compositions actually use musk or if it's the cumin and resins.

    mixerscent, I have a small amount of Tribute, thanks for the idea! Fetish is on my list to try but Roja's pricing seems excessive... I have tried Danger and liked it but not for $500!

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    After going on a quest to find out what deer musk really smelt like, I have come across several oils and pastes claimed to be real deer musk, and all where heavenly but the most delighting was this:
    http://www.qt-store.com/musk-nepales...-ambergris-3g/
    having said that, i won't pursue this type of perfume, as I feel the deer are endangered and I'm quite happy just using ambergris.

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    Default Re: I heard 'real musk' is out of this world... Has anyone smelled it?

    As far as I was able to tell, Absolue Pour Le Soir contained only artificial musks and not natural musk. I doubt any commercial perfumes are made with authentic musk because of ethical issues.

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