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    Default Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    Old formulation versus New Formulation....................................... ...............

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    I found a pre-reformulation bottle that has oakmoss in it. I am posting the differences I notice if you scroll down.

    I bought it new today at Marshalls and this is the box it came in.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...60911&s=beauty

    This must be old stock shipped from Elizabeth Arden (combo pack of EDT and Aftershave), as Marshalls carries the newest formulation of Z-14 too, with no oakmoss.
    Last edited by jclaxton78; 23rd November 2011 at 06:53 AM.
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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    Quote Originally Posted by jclaxton78 View Post
    What else smells like Z-14 that is relatively inexpensive?
    Valentino Vendetta - so I have been told.

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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    Halston Z-14 has been destroyed by modern reformulation. : (

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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    Of course there are obvious differences, especially in "feel", particularly the oakmoss and maybe the leather. I have used Z-14 since the late '70s and now have and still enjoy the new formulation - no mourning the hard-to-locate past for me. Anyone sampling the new Z-14 having never smelt the original, and likes what they smell, will still enjoy what is still a very good frag.
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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    I definitely prefer the original to the current. But the current version is still infinitely better than most of the dreck on fragrance shelves today.

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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    Is there anything else out there (affordable) that smells similar to Z-14, with longevity and sillage?
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    Have you tried vintage Quorum? If you have patience it can be had cheaply on ebay.

    Quote Originally Posted by jclaxton78 View Post
    Is there anything else out there (affordable) that smells similar to Z-14, with longevity and sillage?

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    Ok, I got rid of my Z-14 that did not contain "oakmoss" in the ingredient list, just treemoss. Today I found a box of Z-14 at the store that does list oakmoss on the box (along with treemoss). So, I bought it and will be testing it very soon to see if I notice any differences. Hoping there will be.
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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    Quote Originally Posted by jclaxton78 View Post
    Ok, I got rid of my Z-14 that did not contain "oakmoss" in the ingredient list, just treemoss. Today I found a box of Z-14 at the store that does list oakmoss on the box (along with treemoss). So, I bought it and will be testing it very soon to see if I notice any differences. Hoping there will be.
    I would have held onto the treemoss bottle just to do a side-by-side sniff test of the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOONB View Post
    I would have held onto the treemoss bottle just to do a side-by-side sniff test of the two.
    I remember exactly what the "treemoss only" bottle smelled like.
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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    As I stated earlier, I got rid of the new version recently because I wasn't impressed. It felt flat, plain cheap cinnamon aroma. I give it a 5 out of 10 overall.

    OK, I just sprayed the old version of Z-14 with Oakmoss listed in the ingredients. Even before spraying, I smelled the nozzle and it smelled really dark and deep. Immediately after spraying I get intense natural smelling citrus with spice in the background. In the "non oakmoss version", I didn't get this flavorful bouquet of citrus, instead I detected a strong astringent/biting scent that was rough and sharp. All smooth so far in the old version though.

    With my nose up close to this (oakmoss included blend), I literally feel the scent tickling my nose hairs (with a heat-like feel) as it rises off my skin. Again, this was non-existent in the treemoss only blend.


    Will update again in a little bit.
    Last edited by jclaxton78; 23rd November 2011 at 03:31 AM.
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    Now I'm getting a heavy leather & spice smell with citrus in the background. No cheap cinnamon (Big Red Gum) aroma either.

    This stuff is unbelievable. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY did they have to put restrictions on Oakmoss (I know why, but I'm just sayin).

    This old version might have just rocketed to my # 1 favorite fragrance already.


    Well, there's only one thing left to do. Stock up on this "old stock" version of Z-14 before it is gone forever. I'll be going back to do just that.
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    I can't believe I scored this for $17 for a 4.2 EDT and . I'm experiencing a "THIS IS THE ONE" moment that many of you have experienced or are currently seeking.

    This thing just comes alive by breathing on it. I can only imagine what heat and humidity of summer will do for it (if sprayed lightly).
    Last edited by jclaxton78; 23rd November 2011 at 04:27 AM.
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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    Congratulations! You´re right, the old Z-14 is a "big" frag! Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by easyfish View Post
    Congratulations! You´re right, the old Z-14 is a "big" frag! Enjoy!
    Thank you. I'm on cloud 9 right now.
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    Interesting! I just checked my gift set versus my individual bottle, and on the gift set it shows both the EDT and aftershave as having oakmoss, while my individual bottle of Z-14 has a sticker on back with a new ingredients list sans oakmoss. I peeled it back and the box itself shows oakmoss, so this individual bottle is clearly a reformulated version. I wonder if that gift set is accurate, or if they simply didn't produce the large stickers necessary to cover it up as with the individual box. I haven't even sniffed the gift set version (it's my backup I got on clearance), and won't be able to for a while because I have a head cold, so I can't speak to any discernible differences between them.

    Adding to the confusion, I have a few individual bottles of 1-12 and they all list oakmoss, despite the fact they were purchased around the same time as my individual (non-oakmoss) bottle of Z-14. Strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappio View Post
    Interesting! I just checked my gift set versus my individual bottle, and on the gift set it shows both the EDT and aftershave as having oakmoss, while my individual bottle of Z-14 has a sticker on back with a new ingredients list sans oakmoss. I peeled it back and the box itself shows oakmoss, so this individual bottle is clearly a reformulated version. I wonder if that gift set is accurate, or if they simply didn't produce the large stickers necessary to cover it up as with the individual box. I haven't even sniffed the gift set version (it's my backup I got on clearance), and won't be able to for a while because I have a head cold, so I can't speak to any discernible differences between them.

    Adding to the confusion, I have a few individual bottles of 1-12 and they all list oakmoss, despite the fact they were purchased around the same time as my individual (non-oakmoss) bottle of Z-14. Strange.
    Yes! You're right. The individual bottle (that I sold last week) was the one without oakmoss listed. The combo I bought today has oakmoss listed in both the EDT AND in the Aftershave Splash.

    On top of that, I did see a bottle of 1-12 with oakmoss listed, I should have picked that up too! Interesting to note, the individual box of 1-12 is a light brown/tan color, and it lists oakmoss like you said. While the new stock of 1-12 and 1-14 comes in a chocolate brown box, with no oakmoss listed on the back.

    It is an issue of old stock vs new stock. See, I believe there have been 2 reformulations.

    There was the old school Z-14 and 1-12 from the 70's through probably around at least the year 2008-ish (maybe a little longer). I believe the original from the 70's was redone just to tone it down a little to appeal to the masses, without changing the flavor so to speak. I believe this is the one we own (first reformulation).

    The most recent debacle of Z-14 is the one that had to be produced by Elizabeth Arden, where they cheapened the formula and nixed the oakmoss to comply with regulations. I get no real citrus, no moss, no substantial leather, no thickness and not much in the way of projection. Just a biting harsh 20 min opening, then cinnamon (Big Red style) and dirty patchouli drydown.

    The one we own will never be produced again (with oakmoss), unless the regulation is reversed or they decide to change it for quality's sake (that never happens).


    That being said, I just got back from Walmart where I remember them having the EDT and AS in a combo. However, it was a different box than the one I got today, and guess what, no oakmoss listed. Seriously though, now I understand why everyone is so up in arms about the regulations on it. It must make or break the product in many instances.

    I've never tried 1-12. But I guess I ought to snag that one I saw (also old stock). How does 1-12 compare to Z-14?
    Last edited by jclaxton78; 23rd November 2011 at 07:08 AM.
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    I had no idea the new 1-12 came in the same dark box as Z-14, I will have to check it out next time I'm in TJ Maxx, as I noticed they got quite a few new boxes of it in. As for 1-12, I am very fond of this one and definitely recommend you give it a spin. At worst you are only out ten dollars. Early this year quite a few boxes of it were showing up on clearance for between 5 and 8 dollars so I picked up some extras; my partner laughed at me for stocking up on so many boxes of such a readily available fragrance but now I'm glad I did!

    I will have to swing through the discount shops here in town over the next few days to see if they have any more box sets, as it would be nice to get some of the earlier version of Z-14 if it's available.

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    I checked mine and the box lists oakmoss and treemoss. It gives a scientific name for the oakmoss and says it's an extract. One thing that might also be indicative is the label on the bottle. Mine says EA and there is London and New York as well. Can anyone post here and tell us what the non-oakmoss label on the bottle says?

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    ^ Tappio Quote "I had no idea the new 1-12 came in the same dark box as Z-14, I will have to check it out next time I'm in TJ Maxx, as I noticed they got quite a few new boxes of it in. As for 1-12, I am very fond of this one and definitely recommend you give it a spin. At worst you are only out ten dollars. Early this year quite a few boxes of it were showing up on clearance for between 5 and 8 dollars so I picked up some extras; my partner laughed at me for stocking up on so many boxes of such a readily available fragrance but now I'm glad I did!"
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    Now it does (dark brown box 1-12). But try to find the one in the light brown/tan box, and you'll be golden.

    Yeah, some people do not understand that you have to clean the place out of a product if it's a good one, or if it there is limited supply. Then again, some people don't understand OCD, haha. Yes, scoop up all you can before it shows up on ebay as "vintage formulation", which it is in a way now.

    I will have to swing through the discount shops here in town over the next few days to see if they have any more box sets, as it would be nice to get some of the earlier version of Z-14 if it's available.[
    Last edited by jclaxton78; 23rd November 2011 at 07:06 AM.
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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    I checked mine and the box lists oakmoss and treemoss. It gives a scientific name for the oakmoss and says it's an extract. One thing that might also be indicative is the label on the bottle. Mine says EA and there is London and New York as well. Can anyone post here and tell us what the non-oakmoss label on the bottle says?
    Yes, the oakmoss version I picked up today does say oakmoss "extract", along with the scientific name Evernia prunastri

    It also contains treemoss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    I checked mine and the box lists oakmoss and treemoss. It gives a scientific name for the oakmoss and says it's an extract. One thing that might also be indicative is the label on the bottle. Mine says EA and there is London and New York as well. Can anyone post here and tell us what the non-oakmoss label on the bottle says?
    The EA labels on the two versions I have are identical to what you describe (London and NY addresses); the 1-12 (with oakmoss labels) are the same as well. The only difference I see are the ingredients list and what I'm guessing is a batch code stamped in white on the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappio View Post
    The EA labels on the two versions I have are identical to what you describe (London and NY addresses); the 1-12 (with oakmoss labels) are the same as well. The only difference I see are the ingredients list and what I'm guessing is a batch code stamped in white on the bottom.
    I have those same labels too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    Have you tried vintage Quorum? If you have patience it can be had cheaply on ebay.
    How do I know which one is vintage?

    The new one has the box with the horizontal stripes. Does the vintage Quorum come in the box with the diagonal zig-zag pattern?
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    I think the vintage Quorum boxes have a sort of Navajo rug design whereas the new ones are more abstract. And the bottle shouldn't say Antonion Puig on the front. If it just says Puig that should be vintage. Mine is really old and says only Puig.
    Last edited by Bigsly; 23rd November 2011 at 09:05 PM.

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    I ended up snagging a bunch of boxed sets of Z-14 from Marshalls today, I took all they had. All had oakmoss listed as an ingredient. Total of 6 boxes (each containing 4.2oz spray EDT with either a 2.5oz or 4.2oz after shave splash). I know, OCD gets me every time.

    Am I crazy for buying so much of this stuff, or did I wisely take advantage of an opportunity? Anyone else (besides me and Tappio) ever stockpile something they like knowing that it was in limited supply?
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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    Hard to say. Do you wear that much of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    Hard to say. Do you wear that much of it?
    I will have enough for many many years, but it is my current favorite. But I only have 5 different fragrances. However, I might return a few of the bottles I bought, give someone else the chance to enjoy it.
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    Default Re: Halston Z-14 (old formulation) vs (new formulation)

    I was able to pick up the old formulation(z-14) at Marshall's yesterday, I did a side by side test and cannot believe the difference in the two. The old formulation was smooth, rich and deep, the new formulation while not bad, just had the chemical smell and when it dried Jclaxton78 was right about the cinnamon smell. The old version dried with a smooth leathery smell with just a hint of natural cinnamon.

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