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    Default Stereotypical "Feminine" Bottles, Packaging: Irritating? Offensive? Humiliating?

    I'm not a woman, but I imagine if I were, I would get pretty sick of girly, frilly, flowery, pink and otherwise stereotypical feminine packaging for perfume. Yes, I understand some people love this stuff (see Betsey Johnson's popularity) but I'm curious if others find it borderline offensive? Isn't it condescending to assume this stuff will appeal to women? What happened to women having a better aesthetic sensibility than men? Compare the classic elegance of Chanel's iconic bottle to some of the garbage out there today, and tell me I'm not imagining this.

    A case in point: I haven't tried the Pour Elle version of Encre Noire, but am very relieved to hear that the fugly new bottle I keep seeing in stores is a new fragrance and not simply a new packaging design (if you can call it that) for the original. I find the original Encre Noire bottle design to be one of the most elegant, modern, perfectly understated and witty things out there in a market dominated by odious design choices. Does anyone else think the Pour Elle bottle is as irritating as I do? What, women like frilly scripts now? Crap calligraphy? I was ready to run out and stock up on what I was beginning to think was "vintage" Encre Noire. Sans serif all caps take me away! Lalique, if you're reading this, don't ever mess with the original Encre Noire bottle design, no matter what any focus group tells you.

    Apologies if this has already been hashed out elsewhere on the forum. I'm curious about what others think?

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    Agree. and viceversa too. what's wrong with guys wearing flower perfumes? And why do bottles have to be square and bulky? (as in the new ugly Guerlains).

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    I don't really mind frilly, girly packaging. I mostly ignore it, as I've been buying things in that kind of packaging my entire life. But my favorite bottles are not frilly. My favorites are simple apothecary style bottles, and I love the Bois 1920 bottles. At Avery in NOLA I got an up close and personal look at the Boadicea the Victoria bottles, which are absolutely gorgeous. They are ornate without being frilly. I can appreciate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacio View Post
    And why do bottles have to be square and bulky? (as in the new ugly Guerlains).cacio
    Love My Derby, but that bottle sucks big time!

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    Luckily, my Derby is in the pre-Lupinesque splash bee bottle, which was evidently deemed too girlie for the boys.

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    Default Re: Stereotypical "Feminine" Bottles, Packaging: Irritating? Offensive? Humiliating?

    and what about marketing campaigns??? Have you happened to read the "inspirational words" (that's how they call them) of the new Heeley's Bubblegum Chic?

    Words are: extract of glamour, pink, passion, lips, mouth, soft, warmth, sparkle, appetite, forbidden, fun, fatale, fruit, desire, smile, sweet, skin, shining, intoxicate, girls, omnivorous, insatiable .

    Bubblegum Chic is clearly marketed as feminine and my point is this: how is it possible in 2011 to use such trite commonplaces to describe a feminine fragrance?

    Obnoxious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacio View Post
    Luckily, my Derby is in the pre-Lupinesque splash bee bottle, which was evidently deemed too girlie for the boys.

    cacio
    Now that's a great bottle. Who doesn't love bees? I've got Eau de Cologne Imperial in a bee spray bottle. Clear glass embossed with bees, so chic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarom View Post
    and what about marketing campaigns??? Have you happen to read the "inspirational words" (that's how they call them) of the new Heeley's Bibblegum Chic?

    Words are: extract of glamour, pink, passion, lips, mouth, soft, warmth, sparkle, appetite, forbidden, fun, fatale, fruit, desire, smile, sweet, skin, shining, intoxicate, girls, omnivorous, insatiable .

    Bubblegum Chic is clearly marketed as feminine and my point is this: how is it possible in 2011 to use such trite commonplaces to describe a feminine fragrance?

    Obnoxious.
    Good point. And it is this very childish girlishness, as opposed to feminity and womanliness, that gets obnoxious. Does every woman want to smell like a little girl? Or be perceived as a little girl? Is it the sexualizing of infants we are after? Now...full disclosure...I do like fun fruity sweet scents, but I do not feel attracted by this type of advertising. But it is in our culture now: shorty babydoll dresses, tiny handbags, cupcake scents, pink frills -- and all for grown women. I think it is on its way out now. I think there is more grown up attitude coming into fashion, or has been for a while, but it takes time to make its way into the mainstream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarom View Post
    and what about marketing campaigns??? Have you happen to read the "inspirational words" (that's how they call them) of the new Heeley's Bibblegum Chic?

    Words are: extract of glamour, pink, passion, lips, mouth, soft, warmth, sparkle, appetite, forbidden, fun, fatale, fruit, desire, smile, sweet, skin, shining, intoxicate, girls, omnivorous, insatiable .

    Bubblegum Chic is clearly marketed as feminine and my point is this: how is it possible in 2011 to use such trite commonplaces to describe a feminine fragrance?

    Obnoxious.
    Wow, that is excruciating, nauseating & almost disturbing. For that alone, l would avoid going anywhere near it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilybelle View Post
    Good point. And it is this very childish girlishness, as opposed to feminity and womanliness, that gets obnoxious. Does every woman want to smell like a little girl? Or be perceived as a little girl? Is it the sexualizing of infants we are after? Now...full disclosure...I do like fun fruity sweet scents, but I do not feel attracted by this type of advertising. But it is in our culture now: shorty babydoll dresses, tiny handbags, cupcake scents, pink frills -- and all for grown women. I think it is on its way out now. I think there is more grown up attitude coming into fashion, or has been for a while, but it takes time to make its way into the mainstream.
    Here's hoping. Fingers crossed. Thanks for your comment, I couldn't agree more. There's something creepy about the whole lacy baby thing.

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    It's the girlishness which irritates me. I have never been a sugar-sweet-pinkie-girl! And it's the scents more than the bottles which irritate me. And yes, the advertisements! And the fact that all fragrances now have to be pink. Even when they are not a pink fragrance, like Kelly Calèche.

    I like the Boudicea the victorious bottles, I think they are very modern with nice Celtic designs. I don't mind the Encre Noir Pour Elle bottles so much, although they are less good than the male version, What I object to is the sickly sweet fragrance inside! how dare they call that ''encre Noir'' pour elle? It has nothing to do with the male versions. Why not call it, ''Rose plus sucré pour Elle''????

    I don't mind kitchy frilly bottles, but then I always honestly confess I have no taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilybelle View Post
    Good point. And it is this very childish girlishness, as opposed to feminity and womanliness, that gets obnoxious.
    Definitely! In the review I posted on Aromi's blog I say that Heeley seems to have committed those "inspirational words" to the stuff of "Sweet Sixsteen". I'm clearly not a woman but I still find this kind of advertising really silly, if not offensive....

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    What about this last ad for Marc jacobs? Só wrong in every detail and message and everything.
    And só not appealing. I don't see myself as an überthin, under age, substance abusing, sexualized waif with bad skin? I aspire to be a healthy elegant grown up woman!


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    And of course it's pink again.
    The girl is pink, the dress is pink, the background is pink and the juice is pink.
    I am getting sick of pink!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrouFrou View Post
    What about this last ad for Marc jacobs?
    Greeeeeeeed! I just see greed and bad taste behind that add...I'm sorry.


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    "Is that a vagina in your lap or are you just happy to see me?" So unsubtle it hurts. Thanks for finding this.

    Quote Originally Posted by FrouFrou View Post
    What about this last ad for Marc jacobs? Só wrong in every detail and message and everything.
    And so not appealing. I don't see myself as an überthin, under age, sexualized waif? I aspire to be a healthy elegant grown up woman!

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    It was actually banned in the uk because of it's impression of sexualising children.
    I ahven't smelled it yet, but something tells me it's going to be a sweet, sugary, fruity, flowery girly scent....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrouFrou View Post
    What about this last ad for Marc jacobs?
    Thanks for posting the pic, when I read the title of the thread that is the exact bottle that came to mind. I saw it a Macy's and my instinct was to move about 5 feet away from it as if it was some kind of weapon of mass destruction, I didn't even smell it.

    And to the poster who brought up the Bois 1920 bottles, I love those too.

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    That Marc Jacobs add is brutal. I was waiting at the hair stylist when I popped open a Canadian fashion magazine and saw it. Very poor taste.

    Sometimes I am jealous at the packaging the feminine designer fragrances receive, other times I am happy I don't have to get a bottle like it. Yeah, some are pretty cheesy/lame/irritating...etc. Marketers hard at work, I suppose.
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    Hilarious! Keep those wacky pictures coming. I especially hate those japanese anime dolls. But then I'm not in the market demographic as I am waaaaay past 19. Also, I have never been a fan of pink and purple as a color combination. It might work on 6 year olds but that's about the limit.
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    I was going to post the Marc Jacobs ad pictured above but FrouFrou has already done so. I must say I didn't think the ad is inappropriate or at least I would not have thought so right away. I was more struck by how aesthetically repugnant I found the ad. I have nothing against the model in the picture but the whole thing even the way it is lit made me think "eww no thanks". It was after this I thought oh the flower between her legs I see how very juvenile.

    I don't know if this counts as the bottle is not what I would say stereotypically feminine or offensive but Shalimar Parfum Initial really irritates me. Don't get me wrong I like it it's a nice perfume, however I think the juice was made pink with that same kind of patronizing sexist few that women or girls or both these days are so stupid and will only buy pink perfume.

    I think the same can be said for Coco Mademoiselle and possibly Miss Dior Cherie but I thought rightly or wrongly that Guerlain were above that sort of cynical marketing obviously I was wrong but then again Guerlain isn't run by Guerlains anymore sadly.
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    Case in point:
    "It aims at women between the early teens and early thirties." Early thirties? Notes include pink sugar and "blonde woods." I'm not making this up. I'm dating myself, but I'm still waiting for Barbara Cartland to release a fragrance.



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    Sorry I don't know how to post pics.... but I love my Paloma Picasso bottle ... the all glass round bottle. I wish I could get a hold of the old round Frapin bottles, also I like the old Amouage bottles.

    Back to that Marc Jacobs add, ... the add has no impact on me, I'm just offended by the top heavy, visual gluttony of the bottle itself. It's more garish than a Will Ferrel ice-scating outfit.

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    Professor,

    There is a thread on this board... ugly bottle thread.... that I think you'd get a kick out of of. I think its on the men's board buried somewhere, but its quite entertaining and worth a bump if you want to have your mind blown by some outstanding bad design.


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    Thanks, firehorse, I'll check it out. It's raining cats and dogs outside, I could use a laugh.

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    Professor,

    There is a thread on this board... ugly bottle thread.... that I think you'd get a kick out of of. I think its on the men's board buried somewhere, but its quite entertaining and worth a bump if you want to have your mind blown by some outstanding bad design.


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    Greeeeeeeed! I just see greed and bad taste behind that add...I'm sorry.
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    I must confess I'm a sucker for pink stuff...



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    Maybe, but, eau please! What is that big blob coming out of the top? Really?
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    Has anyone noticed that the more prestigious the brand the less ,for lack of better word, disgusting the presentation is and vice versa. Escada vs Armani Prive as a random comparison.
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