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    Default Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    are you Creed history haters going to start treating them the same?





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    Oh wow.
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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    Well... Marketing is marketing, but I find it both ridiculous and sad when companies feel the need to manufacture blatant lies about their backgrounds and invent a glorious past. It reflects badly on the companies and their products.

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    A perfume should be judged by it's contents only. Then they harm themselves with false stories and exaggerated prestige.
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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    Some are guilty of fabricating their history, some are nazi sympathizers, some have used slave labour, some favour north African rent boys.

    I believe in the premise that all advertising is lies, so the fact that a fragrance is put together by a chubby "nonentity" is irrelevant. Having said that, I am not an oud fan so Montale's revelations don't bother me anyway.

    Interesting to see the back-tracking, though...
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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    The recent hubbub about Montale doesn't bother me in the least. I buy the their fragrances because I like them.

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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    ^^^ and that is the way to go, Hednic.
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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    I don't really care if they gonna call them selves Montale, Taneli or something third. If I like fragrance I am gonna buy it if not I won't and name doesn't play role in that.
    Right now I think that I have all the fragrances that I want.

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    How true ^^^ Well said, that man.
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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    the Creed haters do have excess venom, but I doubt if they would spew it anywhere else ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jcrich View Post
    Some are guilty of fabricating their history, some are nazi sympathizers, some have used slave labour, some favour north African rent boys.

    I believe in the premise that all advertising is lies, so the fact that a fragrance is put together by a chubby "nonentity" is irrelevant. Having said that, I am not an oud fan so Montale's revelations don't bother me anyway.

    Interesting to see the back-tracking, though...
    I'm just curious, who is it who's keen on North African rent boys?
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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    Quote Originally Posted by hedonist222 View Post
    A perfume should be judged by it's contents only. Then they harm themselves with false stories and exaggerated prestige.
    +1

    There are a couple of Montales that I've been looking to try, and that hasn't changed. If the bottle says Tanelli, I won't care, as long as the juice is good.
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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    none of the hardcore haters wanna weigh in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiberije View Post
    I don't really care if they gonna call them selves Montale, Taneli or something third. If I like fragrance I am gonna buy it if not I won't and name doesn't play role in that.
    Well said. I will like Black Aoud regardless of the story behind it.

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    The fact that people bought into the whole prestige and/or other marketing above looking for what they liked/didn't like - taste should never be swayed by a well-spun story - then so be it. The hatred usually comes from the people that bought into the hype, or disliked that people would buy into the hype.

    I've smelled only one Montale so far. I cannot say I was a fan. As a person in marketing, I find it disgusting. But I know it happens... a lot. But to resort to lying to get a false sense of prestige... I have serious problems with that.

    Let's just say that they better have something to make me a believer. And my nose dictates that in this case. But I never bought into their whole prestige thing - the output was just way too numerous. Oh well... no hate here other than them using a lie to make their marketing sound better.

    Same goes for Creed. I wonder who's next.
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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    Quote Originally Posted by Partagas View Post
    Well said. I will like Black Aoud regardless of the story behind it.
    Me too.

    That being said, I find lying in general distasteful. But, as they say, everyone in business does it.

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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    Quote Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey View Post
    none of the hardcore haters wanna weigh in?
    I think they're all off on different jobs until Creed has a new set of mainstream releases.

    http://www.infoworld.com/t/identity-...booming-181610

    I personally think that the use of anti-shills to generate buzz is brilliant, even if morally bankrupt, but for me the greater mystery is at what level the cui bono makes sense enough to risk it versus the tawdriness of getting outed on it.

    More than that, the whole thing is just fascinating, in that - logically speaking - every statement - every action in fragrance world - has a shill component, no matter what you do. I think that morally speaking, increasingly greater disclosure is all that you can do to let others come to their own conclusions about how much shillin' is goin' on.

    You have an excellent point. The silence of haters on other brands says a lot. Watch for camouflage Guerlain haters to emerge!
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    I generally do not fall for any prestige scam or "made for this king and that queen" thing so this whole Montale scandal and Creed BS do not bother me in the very least. Every time I see a house advertise themselves as their fragrances are made for this person and that person, I'll always be like "Bitch, please!" LOL

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    I'm just curious, who is it who's keen on North African rent boys?

    ** Dunno, I'm partial to British and French ones myself.

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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    Quote Originally Posted by djron91 View Post
    I'm just curious, who is it who's keen on North African rent boys?

    ** Dunno, I'm partial to British and French ones myself.
    LOL. It's funny...the main thing in this whole thread that I am dying to know is who this person who likes rent boys is...

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    Pierre Montale, the Joyce Hatto of the fragrance world!

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Hatto

    Then again, 'her' albums didn't come with a free single and extra amplitude on request
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marais View Post
    Pierre Montale, the Joyce Hatto of the fragrance world!

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Hatto

    Then again, 'her' albums didn't come with a free single and extra amplitude on request
    Being a classical music aficionado I remember that debacle well -- it was much more entertaining than this thing with Montale due to the tons of critics who had spent miles of print praising Hatto's genius and versatility (which is not surprising since her recording were the recordings of several other pianists!) Talk about egg on your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillC View Post
    I'm just curious, who is it who's keen on North African rent boys?
    I don't know if this is even true, but just going for the obvious: M. Lutens. He is gay, isn't he? And he lives in Morocco...

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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    Mind you, I have been known to make things up now and then, just for effect and to illustrate a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daoud62 View Post
    LOL. It's funny...the main thing in this whole thread that I am dying to know is who this person who likes rent boys is...
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    I agree tiberije. Don't most companies embellish their pasts anyways? In the end its whats inside the bottle that sells us on buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey View Post
    none of the hardcore haters wanna weigh in?
    Since you're clearly dying for a response I'll give you one.

    This doesn't really affect me since I never bought into the Montale thing in the first place, mainly since I am not a big lover of oud in the first place which is a major constituent in their fragrance line.

    I had noted that there were growing voices of skepticism in the Basenotes community in recent months, but as Montale threads are not all over Basenotes like a rash every day, unlike a certain other house with a dubious history, again, it really passed me by.

    I feel kind of sorry for those who really bought into the Montale mystique - particularly at the greatly inflated prices you would be expected to pay for their products.

    But, at the end of the day, if you enjoy the products then your feeling of satisfaction is directly related to how much you would be willing to pay for the fragrance you enjoy.

    I think all this is a shame to be honest, because it doesn't reflect well on the fragrance industry as a whole.

    And for the record, Puddlemonkey, one of my favourite houses is Penhaligon's, yet I have castigated them recently for Juniper Sling which I think is over-priced and has mayfly-like longevity and secondly for their Anthology release of Eau Sans Pareil which is supposed to be a re-release but is in fact nothing at all like the original, which to my mind is a shady practice and a misrepresentation. I tell it like I see it, and as I have always said, you are free to agree or disagree with my views.
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    I like Montale a lot so dont really care about nitty gritty gossip or whatever ...

    Rent boys .... hmmmm not difficult is it , Serge Lutens anyone

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    Default Re: Since Montale was running its own little scam job...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    You have an excellent point. The silence of haters on other brands says a lot. Watch for camouflage Guerlain haters to emerge!
    Funny how Rance 1795 does the same thing Creed is accused of but nobody seems to mention them.

    "In 1795 François Rancé turned entirely to perfumery. His innovative spirit led him to create extremely refined and modern perfumes, which secured him the favour of Napoleon. He became the Empereur's favourite perfumer, and created for him Le Vainqueur, Triomphe and L'Eau de Austerliz."

    Go ahead, find me a old bottle of Rance. Ain't gonna happen. At least Creed has bottles of cologne that appear to be from the 60's or 70's, Rance 1795 bottles are all from 2005 and newer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey View Post
    Funny how Rance 1795 does the same thing Creed is accused of but nobody seems to mention them.

    "In 1795 François Rancé turned entirely to perfumery. His innovative spirit led him to create extremely refined and modern perfumes, which secured him the favour of Napoleon. He became the Empereur's favourite perfumer, and created for him Le Vainqueur, Triomphe and L'Eau de Austerliz."
    In fairness Puddle, reading that quote would get me wanting proof before I bought into it, sounds a dodgy as it gets...
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