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    Exclamation WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    I keep all of my fragrances in an unused bedroom in my house which I have the heat turned off in. It gets rather cold, perhaps into the mid 40s f. when it is really cold outside. I noticed last week that my Ambre Sultan had spiky round crystals in the bottom! I freaked out a bit. Certainly it is not that cold as to cause this, or is it? I never have seen a fragrance do this before and wonder if any of you have. I put the bottle in my medicine cabinet in the bathroom for a few days and the crystals remained. At last I warmed the bottle by keeping it close to my skin for many hours, shaking it once in a while and the crystals at long last dissolved, but there is still a little grain or two in the bottom.

    All I can say is, WTF? Should I contact Serge Lutens? I bought this online and honestly can't remember where. The fragrance does not seem to be damaged to my nose. Any thoughts?



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    It's the first time I'm seeing crystals in a fragrance, but I have seen cloudiness/sediments quite a few times. I'd say it's probably not out of ordinary, but please do contact serge lutens and let's see what they say. Ambroxan is what I can think of, but even that forms a sediment in my experience.

    curious.

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    That is disconcerting to say the least and with the temp in the 40's F it should not have ice crystals within. How weird, I wonder if its some ingredient that is reacting to the cold. Though surely not, I'm puzzled.

    I hope the juice smells ok though.
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    You have the most beautiful bottle of fragrance that i ever seen

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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Bottle must be getting colder than in the 40s. There's a very high alcohol content in the perfume, something that wouldn't begin to freeze unless you were looking at consistently extreme negative temperatures. Exactly where in the house are you keeping this bottle? Near a window? In a relatively open space with little or nothing surrounding it? Seems like it's getting the brunt of it toward the bottom of the bottle there, judging by your pic.

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    It must be the natural labdanum that is forming the crystals......

    *read the 'rare note' thread and my posts in it for the reference...hehehe

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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hunter View Post
    That is disconcerting to say the least and with the temp in the 40's F it should not have ice crystals within. How weird, I wonder if its some ingredient that is reacting to the cold. Though surely not, I'm puzzled.

    I hope the juice smells ok though.
    I am puzzled too. I had to get the bottle quite warm for most of the day, shaking a lot to get those darn crystals to go into solution. They did not want to dissolve back into the juice... I never thought that something like this would happen with temps between 45 and 50 degrees.

    I have written a letter with pictures to Serge Lutens. But what are they do do? They can not replace the bottle because they will not shop to the US. I just wonder what those crystals are...
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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Quote Originally Posted by MOONB View Post
    Bottle must be getting colder than in the 40s. There's a very high alcohol content in the perfume, something that wouldn't begin to freeze unless you were looking at consistently extreme negative temperatures. Exactly where in the house are you keeping this bottle? Near a window? In a relatively open space with little or nothing surrounding it? Seems like it's getting the brunt of it toward the bottom of the bottle there, judging by your pic.
    It is not hear a window but on a desk against an inside wall. I have plants and a high/low recording thermometer in the room. The coldest temp this winter was 46 degrees.
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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Quote Originally Posted by Akahina View Post
    It is not hear a window but on a desk against an inside wall. I have plants and a high/low recording thermometer in the room. The coldest temp this winter was 46 degrees.

    Very strange indeed. I hope Lutens gets back to you with an explanation. I suppose if the juice smells normal there's no real problem, but if it gets skunked . . .

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    Not had that issue, nor heard of this before, kind of makes you wonder what is happening with the bottles you cant see through. Does it smell ok ?

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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    had the exact same issue when receiving a bottle of L'Ombre Fauve about 2 years ago.
    it was flown in from Cali in the dead of winter and was packaged / insulated well enough to retain the cold
    when it was trucked after the air travel.

    bottom line = there was a high enough concentration of the fragrant components in the formula that the
    alcohol couldn't keep them 'broken up' at whatever temperature the cargo hold was. in the end, it was just fine when left @ room temp for a while and doesn't do that in the frag fridge. no harm, no foul to the juice. it's just odd & - in least in my case - doesn't TRULY hurt anything.

    that is one cold ass room though.

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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Ive never seen this before

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    They need to send u a brand new bottle and a backup of something else !! ASAP !!

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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    I hope no one in marketing sees these photos, because they might get ideas from this, and then we'll get new bottle designs, and then a new formulation...
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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Quote Originally Posted by SoGent View Post
    had the exact same issue when receiving a bottle of L'Ombre Fauve about 2 years ago.
    it was flown in from Cali in the dead of winter and was packaged / insulated well enough to retain the cold
    when it was trucked after the air travel.

    bottom line = there was a high enough concentration of the fragrant components in the formula that the
    alcohol couldn't keep them 'broken up' at whatever temperature the cargo hold was. in the end, it was just fine when left @ room temp for a while and doesn't do that in the frag fridge. no harm, no foul to the juice. it's just odd & - in least in my case - doesn't TRULY hurt anything.

    that is one cold ass room though.
    It is a cold room! I don't use it and I over-winter plants in there that need cool winter temperatures to bloom better in the spring and summer. I have a space heater in there that kicks on at 45 degrees. My house is old...
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    I have seen this with my big 250ml bottle of Amber Absolute, nothing to worry about.

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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nersh View Post
    They need to send u a brand new bottle and a backup of something else !! ASAP !!
    I agree! And the extra bottle needs to be Muscs Koublai Khan!
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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe C View Post
    I have seen this with my big 250ml bottle of Amber Absolute, nothing to worry about.
    I am not too worried...at the moment, but I would never turn down a free bottle either! LOL.
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    Lutens bottle are ones that have the sprayers that get put on after it gets shipped with a splash cap. I just wonder if it somehow let in some moisture and that's just water that got frozen.
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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Um, no...water does not freeze at 46. And water crystals are not round spiky things...
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    Um... it was just an idea I was throwing out for the sake of conversation... don't need to get all... um... about it.
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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    It's all good. I'm not...um.
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    That I genuinely bizarre, seems to be some sort of chemical reaction between ingredients. Never heard of anything like that before.

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    I am guessing that some of the alcohol has evaporated allowing one of the ingredients to recrystallize. One of the guys or girls who make perfumes will probably be able to guess what it is.

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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Never seen anything like this either. Weird.

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    Weird to say the least but its nice looking at least :P

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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    Quote Originally Posted by wooznib View Post
    It's the natural Styrax (Liquidambar) crystallizing. You can probably run it under some warm water and shake it up. It may never fully reincorporate.
    After warming it, most incorporated, but there are two or three grains about the size of a small salt crystal or smaller that have not reincorporated. Interesting...storax.

    I can't wait to hear what Serge Lutens says about this one!
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    Default Re: WHAT THE...My Ambre Sultan crystalized!

    I just added a healthy amount of styrax in a decant bottle (nothing important) and put it in the fridge.
    Will update.

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    Ok. Quick results, but it looks more like that wooly or milky stuff that sometimes occur. Nowhere as cute and well built as yours.



    closeup:


    Maybe there is a bit too much styrax in it. Don't know. I've shaken it and put it to the balcony. lets see if I can get close by tomorrow. I'm still curious :P

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