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    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    On reading this thread I went to my sample box to revisit the 1ml decant sent to me by a kind basenotes member (belatedly, I learned to log who sent me what, this is a busy and generous bunch!). Civet, yes! For my money, as long as I can find vintage civet-laden scents like My Sin and Miss Dior, Ubar will be redundant.

    The complaints I am reading leave me unenthused about pursuing the Amouage brand at all. I have a theory: luxury brands (as distinguished from niche), by definition aimed at the wealthy, are apt to be more hype than substance. Think of The Emperor's New Clothes; it's not called The Average Guys New Clothes for a reason, we average ones are not so easily duped.
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    I have bought my new Ubar 2 weeks ago and it has golden ring....its definately new shipment because this came directly from Oman, in the new shop here in Zagreb .....and reading your descriptions i think its unclear which versions you talk about:-)

    Larimar how do you know which version you have? Maybe that is the new new versioin:-) , do you know when the person bought it?

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    And i would say noone ever told me there are 2 new versions until i sniffed them:-) ......

    The version i fell instantly in love was the one from 2009, and i got it in a sample from Whitefluffy (she bought it 1 year ago).....and that one has all the notes MimiGardenia lists.... this is how it smells to me:-) no civet note for sure or in minimum quantities, ambergriss i doubt any Amouage since 2009 has it:-) , i tried the real ambergriss from dear Mumsy

    The new new version(bottle from the picture) has simpler base redominantly civet vanilla , and is less floral, more oriental:-) but i don't enjoy it that much....cuse i don't like dirty notes, i prefer it beeing clean, creamy lactonic like sandalwood is:-) ...and going to the Amouage website you suddenly see that the notes they list have changed from the mimi gardenia list! and its exactly how it smells now! It is a civet bomb:-) with vanilla, and strong citrus opening:-) ..so Amouage just changed it in an attempt to make it more similar to the original?? Or who knows for what reason.....and noone ever told me this :-)
    And since i know Larimar you like Jicky i kind of think this new version u would like more!:-) i.e. your bottle is the same as mine on pic, it is 100ml too??

    And to add the older modern version opens more greenish, more liliy of the valley less citruses....almost lighter!but overall smell stronger

    But the difference is obvious even to people who know nothing about perfumes:-) on side by side test( i did it on 2 friends both of whom are very average noses with no interest in perfumes:-) they both confirmed this: bottle from the pic is weaker and civety, they said yuk:-) , and for the old modern version that its better...exactly like i thought too, synthetic civet note is so different from the real one and i get it like something soar...and like glue, plasticky a bit...its not ugly! Just smells like i sweated and this was not what i smelled 1 st time i fell in love with it, and was so confused when people were talking about civet! What civet i thought are they crazy:-) ? All i was getting was beautiful lactonic creamy sandalwood and airy florals..very feminine ( and indeed it was not on amouage list back then as well!)

    In the drydown they do converge massively, so after 4 hours, the older is more complex still tad like powdery but still balmy, the new new is just simple....and civet note doesn't smell good on me when my skin heats up, its much nicer on fabrics

    Crazy Amouage how the play with us:-), they changed the list and they changed the perfume! So they don't lie technically speaking it was in front of our eyes the change:-) .....
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    iivanita, I know the older (new) Ubar from two samples I had over the course of one year at least. When I finally bought a bottle in early 2011 I immediately noticed that it was thinner and in particular, the unique creaminess was gone. I attribute this creaminess and its outstanding (soft) longevity on my skin to ambergris. The newer (new) Ubar feels as if several notes were replaced, but the lush creaminess is what made it so very special.

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    ok but by the look of the bottle one can not say anything?
    how can one even differentiate them if not by smelling?
    i smelled perfume from 2009 in the old shop here in Zagreb who no longer has it and then from Whitefluffy...they were identical....

    perfumes with good sandalwood are longlasting as well, for example i have Maharanih Intense....or Samsara...they all have this lush creaminess, and super longevity...i am almost sure noone uses real ambergris, in small quantities it would make no difference and in large it is too expencive....and that would also give it animalic smell and i dont fall for these things and am sure i would not love this much if it had anything animalic to it

    this new bottle doesnt have sandalwood hence it smells so much different...and kind of more sweet, very civety...and more oriental...less floral....but thats all synthetic....its not real for sure....yes lush creamines is gone and replaced by sweet civet

    so i was thinking from 2009 to 2012 amouage decides to chnage perfume? why? i thoght to make it more similar to the original?...or becasue of the price of ingredients?.. mysore sandalwood is also going out of the stock, so they had to change it?-----but they chnaged the listing of notes the same as they changed perfuem and i did not notice that...was not going after this

    would be nice if someone else can say more to this...
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    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Who knows? IFRA, shortage of materials compared to popularity of products?
    They just opened a new factory, so hopefully will employ some 'quality control' staff as the attars have also had more batch variation than is acceptable imo, price considered
    I have had some for ages, early relaunch & adore it!

    Gold was most definitely watered down - the old 'mosque' bottle stuff is sadly nothing like the newer.

    I think, as others have wisely said before, that Amouage scents are like vintage wines - variable.
    But that is normal with Middle East houses, so they may not have considered it a problem before people started complaining.
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    yes i fell in love with Amouage from 2009! now its 2013 ...

    i would not mind batch variations if they use the same quantity of naturals all the time...but it feels they just skim it each year...after 4 years we have semi-skimmed perfumes hehe

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    Maybe we should be grateful that we knew the 'oldies' - they seem to have become sort of 'standard issue' now, but as they seem to have moved away from natural ingredients, standardisation might follow!

    'semi-skimmed' reference is cool!
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    it is 2014 now.... what should i expect if i buy it now? never tried it
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    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    I have not smelled the latest version, so who knows, but Amouage is reformulating. So certainly no blind buys or buys based on a sample of unknown vintage. The original was enormous, so it's still possible that the current one, while not as huge, it's still big enough - but one needs to check.

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    To clarify... the "old new" that was raved about is still in the modern bottle (minus magnetic cap), correct? I have a 50ml bottle that looks nothing like the new square bottle... or like any other amouage that I have seen. Like a polished stone of frosted glass that can be held in the hand. So is this not the initial re-issue, but in fact the 90s version? I did buy it online but had no idea it was THAT old.

    And out of curiosity, how would the 90s version compare to the older (original) re-release that seems to be the most coveted batch?
    Having Simultaneous Affairs with: Amouage Memoir Man, Fate Man, Interlude Man, Epic Extrait (yep... the femme version), Tribute, Homage, Opus IV, VI, & VII • Puredistance M, Black • Tauer L'Air & Carillon pour un Ange • Knize Ten Golden • L'Artisan Al Oudh, Traversee du Bosphore, Dzing! • TF Noir de Noir • Xerjoff Homme, Richwood, Regio, 1861, 1888, Zafar • Serge Lutens MKK, Gris Clair, Fille en Aiguilles, La Myrre • H de Parfums 1740, Noir Patchouli, Tub3 Animale • Abdes Salaam Tabac, Sharif, Mecca Balsam • Slumberhouse Vikt, Baque • MDCI Invasion Barbare, Chypre Palatin • Nicoläi NY, Vie de Chateau Intense, L'Eau Mixte • Dior Leather Oud & Patchouli Imperial • Chanel Sycomore • Guerlain Derby, Songe d'un Bois d'Ete • MFK Oud Cashmere Mood • Ormonde Jayne Man

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    In another thread I read that the original Ubar (1995) was EDT. The "polished stone" I have clearly says EDP under the name on the bottle front... so maybe this is the 2009 re-release but prior to the new-style (rectangular) bottle switch across the entire line.
    Having Simultaneous Affairs with: Amouage Memoir Man, Fate Man, Interlude Man, Epic Extrait (yep... the femme version), Tribute, Homage, Opus IV, VI, & VII • Puredistance M, Black • Tauer L'Air & Carillon pour un Ange • Knize Ten Golden • L'Artisan Al Oudh, Traversee du Bosphore, Dzing! • TF Noir de Noir • Xerjoff Homme, Richwood, Regio, 1861, 1888, Zafar • Serge Lutens MKK, Gris Clair, Fille en Aiguilles, La Myrre • H de Parfums 1740, Noir Patchouli, Tub3 Animale • Abdes Salaam Tabac, Sharif, Mecca Balsam • Slumberhouse Vikt, Baque • MDCI Invasion Barbare, Chypre Palatin • Nicoläi NY, Vie de Chateau Intense, L'Eau Mixte • Dior Leather Oud & Patchouli Imperial • Chanel Sycomore • Guerlain Derby, Songe d'un Bois d'Ete • MFK Oud Cashmere Mood • Ormonde Jayne Man

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    I have the latest version and despite its thinness, I still love wearing it.

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    BUMP. Still would love some insight on my confusions below. Anyone out there who can identify (and date) the frosted glass glacier-looking bottle?

    To clarify... the "old new" that was raved about is still in the modern bottle (minus magnetic cap), correct? I have a 50ml bottle that looks nothing like the new square bottle... or like any other amouage that I have seen. Like a polished stone of frosted glass that can be held in the hand. So is this not the initial re-issue, but in fact the 90s version? I did buy it online but had no idea it was THAT old.

    And out of curiosity, how would the 90s version compare to the older (original) re-release that seems to be the most coveted batch?

    In another thread I read that the original Ubar (1995) was EDT. The "polished stone" I have clearly says EDP under the name on the bottle front... so maybe this is the 2009 re-release but prior to the new-style (rectangular) bottle switch across the entire line.

    Confused.
    Having Simultaneous Affairs with: Amouage Memoir Man, Fate Man, Interlude Man, Epic Extrait (yep... the femme version), Tribute, Homage, Opus IV, VI, & VII • Puredistance M, Black • Tauer L'Air & Carillon pour un Ange • Knize Ten Golden • L'Artisan Al Oudh, Traversee du Bosphore, Dzing! • TF Noir de Noir • Xerjoff Homme, Richwood, Regio, 1861, 1888, Zafar • Serge Lutens MKK, Gris Clair, Fille en Aiguilles, La Myrre • H de Parfums 1740, Noir Patchouli, Tub3 Animale • Abdes Salaam Tabac, Sharif, Mecca Balsam • Slumberhouse Vikt, Baque • MDCI Invasion Barbare, Chypre Palatin • Nicoläi NY, Vie de Chateau Intense, L'Eau Mixte • Dior Leather Oud & Patchouli Imperial • Chanel Sycomore • Guerlain Derby, Songe d'un Bois d'Ete • MFK Oud Cashmere Mood • Ormonde Jayne Man

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    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Like the bottle seen here?
    http://www.nstperfume.com/2005/05/19...-amouage-ubar/

    That is the original 1990s release. I don't think it's true that it came only as edt, I think it also came as edp (and perhaps parfum as well). In any case, congrats for the find!

    I have smelled the original one only once, so I don't have much experience. The link above says they are very close. I'd say the original is more floral and less incensy, but memory could be at fault. In other words, it feels more like "rich old floral". In any case, the early re-release and the original one feel more lactonic than the latest I've smelled in a store, which feels more incensy and cleaner.

    cacio

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    My bottle is the second photo in the link, so the original. For some reason I thought perhaps I had a later version before the current one.

    I got mine from Les Senteurs very early 00s, I was chatting to James on the phone and he mentioned it. So I got a sample and loved it. Phoned him up to order and although they stocked Amouage Silver and Gold this was a new one for them, there were trying it before deciding to stock, so one tester and one bottle.. He said they had decided no for now and sold me the one bottle at a brilliant price. Sorry cannot remember the price but do know I got at least 30% off RRP.

    Oh and my bottle is edp, so it did come in that version.
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    Thank you, Cacio and Donna. That clears things up. Yep... mine is also the "pebble" bottle in the second image. 50ml and clearly labeled as EDP.

    I would not describe it as the floral bomb that Turin (and others) glorify regarding the 2009 re-release. Jasmine, Sandalwood, and Powder are at the top. These warm and sweeten over time, but then settle down nicely to a mossy amber. While there is a general "rosy head space" throughout, I never feel like I clearly smell a rose. The white florals and civet prevail. Interesting, as so many describe this as a reference rose scent.

    There is a clear chypre skeleton to this. Just now (on my arm), I´m noting a clear parallel with elements of MDCI's Chypre Palatin or Mitsouko - but with the green replaced with some animalics and florals.

    This might actually be a better fit for me, meaning that I find the blend comfortably unisex and incredibly sensual. (Even more so now as I compare it to Vintage Gold Man and Vintage Silver Gentlemen´s cologne on the other arm - both of which feel more floral on my skin). This Ubar is like a Serge Lutens take on chypre - a mossy, ambered oriental. Soft and sexy and rich without the loud floral projection that would probably not appeal as much to my tastes.

    In a nutshell... great stuff and long-lasting. Nice to see such a deep brown color here, too! I imagine that the 90's allowed for a higher concentration of naturals.
    Having Simultaneous Affairs with: Amouage Memoir Man, Fate Man, Interlude Man, Epic Extrait (yep... the femme version), Tribute, Homage, Opus IV, VI, & VII • Puredistance M, Black • Tauer L'Air & Carillon pour un Ange • Knize Ten Golden • L'Artisan Al Oudh, Traversee du Bosphore, Dzing! • TF Noir de Noir • Xerjoff Homme, Richwood, Regio, 1861, 1888, Zafar • Serge Lutens MKK, Gris Clair, Fille en Aiguilles, La Myrre • H de Parfums 1740, Noir Patchouli, Tub3 Animale • Abdes Salaam Tabac, Sharif, Mecca Balsam • Slumberhouse Vikt, Baque • MDCI Invasion Barbare, Chypre Palatin • Nicoläi NY, Vie de Chateau Intense, L'Eau Mixte • Dior Leather Oud & Patchouli Imperial • Chanel Sycomore • Guerlain Derby, Songe d'un Bois d'Ete • MFK Oud Cashmere Mood • Ormonde Jayne Man

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