Code of Conduct
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 46
  1. #1

    Default No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    I sampled it today and OMG. It is beautiful, especially in the drydown. I might need a bottle of this.
    I also remember Larimar mentioned something about it having suffered reformulation. I intend to write to Amouage and ask them about it.
    Larimar, if you are reading this: do you think they have messed up much with this beauty?

  2. #2
    Hillaire
    Guest

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Oh, hey, GelbeDomino? Ubar is beautiful.

    I am not Larimar, but IMO, the best Ubar was the re-intro from 2009. Even better than the nineties version, but fated to be thinned down in 2011. How does one tell the latest from the one before it? Maybe Larimar knows.

  3. #3

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Unfortunately, ladies, I don't know how to differentiate them. I bought it as a gift in January 2011 - it looked the same to me - but I could not believe it when I smelled it how thin it had gotten. I had two samples for myself before. It's still nice, but the unique rich creaminess was gone. I was very p...ed.

  4. #4

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    I am very lucky having the 90s one in the strange bottle. Totally gorgeous. Haven't sniffed the later versions.
    DONNA
    Currently wearing: 28 La Pausa by Chanel

  5. #5

    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Posts
    11,275

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    The version I smelled a couple of years back was heavenly indeed. I haven't smelled more recently, but I'm really p*** off too at the watering down of the old amouage classics, Gold, now Ubar, and I'm having doubts about Homage too.

    cacio

  6. #6
    kumquat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Lincoln, Nebraska
    Posts
    9,785
    Blog Entries
    100

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    This is sad to hear. I am a big advocate of buying a fume as soon as you discover you like it. These companies are completely unreliable. Look what happened to Mona do Orio! But now Amouage is just shooting themselves in the foot. No one will have faith in these scents anymore.
    Currently wearing: White Flowers by Creed

  7. #7

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    No one will have faith in these scents anymore.
    So true! I'm done with Amouage (enjoying my Amouage Lyric Extrait "lifetime" stock), also because the new releases reeked of mediocrity and money-making to me.

  8. #8

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Hillaire, Larimar I wrote to Amouage asking about this and they reassured me that Ubar hasn't been reformulated since it was relaunched (I think that was back in 2009) and also that they haven't messed with Gold.
    They always reply promptly when I e-mail them with questions and I don't see why I shouldn't trust them. I mean, I trust them better than I trust most companies.

    Maybe there was a variation with a certain batch? Same as it purportedly happens with Creed?

  9. #9
    kumquat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Lincoln, Nebraska
    Posts
    9,785
    Blog Entries
    100

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post


    Amouage - Ubar

    Golden lily over hot spices. Somewhere, the fox glories in his elegant coat.
    He squints in the sun. Desert flowers; fushia and gay yellow.

    Notes: Bergamot, lemon, lily of the valley, damascene rose, jasmine, civet, vanilla
    I hope you are right and no one has messed around with the perfection of this one!
    Currently wearing: White Flowers by Creed

  10. #10

    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Posts
    11,275

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Gelbe:

    I think the attitude here on BN is that perfume companies always lie. It would be nice if it were just a batch thing, but this seems to be happening to many of their frags - all batches were bad in 2011?

    Since they seem to respond to questions, I think somebody should ask them if they follow IFRA restrictions, in their sprays and in their attars. I find it hard to believe that old Gold would have conformed to the jasmine restrictions, for instance, let alone some of the attar they claim contain jasmine (as I think Homage should have).

    cacio

  11. #11

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Good luck, GelbeDomino! Do let us know please! Maybe your sample is the new one as well, so all is well for you.
    I do not believe these companies - it is just like Guerlain's T. Wasser claimed in an interview the formula for Jicky remained unchanged. That may well be - the ingredients are the same, but it does maybe not say in what ratio and at what overall concentration. I mean, seriously, it is ridiculous when you compare vintage PdT and a new EdP of Jicky. The latter is much thinner and less skankier and less creamier (which is not necessarily a bad thing as far as I am concerned). Get me right, I love Jicky EdP, but it takes an awful lot of jus to make it last through at least half of the day. Same here - Ubar may stick to the same formula, but the difference was so obvious for me as I was familiar with Ubar going through 2ml samples twice myself - much thinner jus, not just a bit.

  12. #12
    Basenotes Institution
    Mimi Gardenia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Exactly Where I Should Be
    Posts
    16,437

    Default

    Well it's another perfume thinned and castrated *sigh*
    It's a shame. The bottle I bought in 2009 was excellent - long lasting scent , skanky silky flowers . It reminded me of Jicky in many ways. The sample Kumquat sent me years ago of Ubar was magnificent - like gold silk . Kumquat's sample made me fall in love with Ubar .
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/370...o-Profumo-Onda
    For sale. Carnal Flower and Vero Profumo Onda.

  13. #13
    Hillaire
    Guest

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Quote Originally Posted by GelbeDomino View Post
    Hillaire, Larimar I wrote to Amouage asking about this and they reassured me that Ubar hasn't been reformulated since it was relaunched (I think that was back in 2009) and also that they haven't messed with Gold.
    They always reply promptly when I e-mail them with questions and I don't see why I shouldn't trust them. I mean, I trust them better than I trust most companies.

    Maybe there was a variation with a certain batch? Same as it purportedly happens with Creed?
    ah. Shakes head. Poor innocent gelbedomino. Sighs

  14. #14
    kumquat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Lincoln, Nebraska
    Posts
    9,785
    Blog Entries
    100

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    That's nice of you to remember that, Mimi. I'm so glad I helped you make a nice discovery. I love when that happens!
    Currently wearing: White Flowers by Creed

  15. #15

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    This is sad to hear. I am a big advocate of buying a fume as soon as you discover you like it. These companies are completely unreliable. Look what happened to Mona do Orio! But now Amouage is just shooting themselves in the foot. No one will have faith in these scents anymore.
    kumquat, I think this is sound advice. Beautiful image and poetry by the way.
    GelbeDomino, I just sampled Ubar from luckyscent and found it truly beautiful. I have no way of really knowing how old the sample is really, and I have nothing to compare it with, so no risk of disillusionment in this case.
    Follow your heart, and do let us know what you decide.
    I am head over heels in love with Lyric, trying to decide if I should, can or will take the plunge with a purchase. I am considering one of those travel sized trios which make the price seem a bit less painful.
    "Like a lobster with a pearl in its claw, the beet held the jasmine firmly without crushing or obscuring it. Beet lifted jasmine, the way a bullnecked partner lifts a ballerina, and the pair came on stage on citron's fluty cue. As if jasmine were a collection of beautiful paintings, beet hung it in the galleries of the nose, insured it against fire or theft, threw a party to celebrate it. Citron mailed the invitations." Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins p. 189

    What I am loving right now: Shalimar vintage extrait, Chanel Bois des Iles, Chanel no. 22, Le Labo Iris 39, Guerlain Iris Ganache

  16. #16

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Dear gents and ladies, I am not as nave as you may think. I'm no little red riding hood, you know. I generally believe -at most- about 10% of what a company says.
    I have always thought of Mr. Chong as a pretty outspoken and straightforward person, and that's why I trust his word a bit more.

    I have friends in the industry (not Amouage) who have told me they must reevaluate theyr formulas every 6 months due to bl**dy IFRA regulations.

    I don't know how old my sample is, Larimar, but the juice is truly heavenly. I would dare to say I like this even more than Lyric.

  17. #17
    Basenotes Institution
    Mimi Gardenia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Exactly Where I Should Be
    Posts
    16,437

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    That's nice of you to remember that, Mimi. I'm so glad I helped you make a nice discovery. I love when that happens!
    Thank you Kumquat - for that sample ! It'll always stick in my mind .
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/370...o-Profumo-Onda
    For sale. Carnal Flower and Vero Profumo Onda.

  18. #18

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Quote Originally Posted by rtamara41 View Post
    I am considering one of those travel sized trios which make the price seem a bit less painful.
    Where do you get these trios? You mean pick 3 different fragrances ... or the travel trio of one at luckyscent?

  19. #19

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Quote Originally Posted by Larimar View Post
    So true! I'm done with Amouage (enjoying my Amouage Lyric Extrait "lifetime" stock), also because the new releases reeked of mediocrity and money-making to me.
    Oh no.... Lyric is watered down too? No wonder my last 2 decants were different color ... different experience.

  20. #20

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Quote Originally Posted by firehorse View Post
    Where do you get these trios? You mean pick 3 different fragrances ... or the travel trio of one at luckyscent?
    the travel trio...raffy's has them also, in a wider selection of the fragrances, I think.
    I am trying not to worry too much about reformulations, since I only just sampled Lyric for the first time and love the new sample of it.
    I did note a difference when comparing an older sample of J25 with a newer one, with the newer one appearing less intense, though still very beautiful imo.
    "Like a lobster with a pearl in its claw, the beet held the jasmine firmly without crushing or obscuring it. Beet lifted jasmine, the way a bullnecked partner lifts a ballerina, and the pair came on stage on citron's fluty cue. As if jasmine were a collection of beautiful paintings, beet hung it in the galleries of the nose, insured it against fire or theft, threw a party to celebrate it. Citron mailed the invitations." Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins p. 189

    What I am loving right now: Shalimar vintage extrait, Chanel Bois des Iles, Chanel no. 22, Le Labo Iris 39, Guerlain Iris Ganache

  21. #21

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    ^thanks for the fast response rtamara4. I remember when you were ordering samples - I still need to try Ubar and J25. Glad you ended up liking Lyric, I fell in love with that one too.

  22. #22

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Quote Originally Posted by firehorse View Post
    Oh no.... Lyric is watered down too? No wonder my last 2 decants were different color ... different experience.
    I haven't said that, have I? No, not that I know. I have my own stock that will do me however.

  23. #23
    Basenotes Institution
    Mimi Gardenia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Exactly Where I Should Be
    Posts
    16,437

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Just bumping this thread out of interest .

    I went to the Amouage website today . Have these always been the notes for Ubar ? This list comes from the Amouage website.

    Tangerine ,orange, Litsea Cubeba, violet leaves, jasmine, orange blossom, ylang, tuberose, lily of the valley , rose wood, sandalwood, patchouli, vetiver, copahu balsam, vanilla ,animal amber.
    Is animal amber the same as civet ?
    Litsea Cubeba is like lemongrass , I take it . I'm just confused.

    On other websites like Luckyscent , Ubar's notes are listed as bergamot, lemon, lily of the valley, damascene rose, jasmine, civet, vanilla.



    Last edited by Mimi Gardenia; 18th May 2012 at 10:11 PM.
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/370...o-Profumo-Onda
    For sale. Carnal Flower and Vero Profumo Onda.

  24. #24

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    The latter, Mims, are the notes I knew of. Luca Turin said in his review that Ubar contained buckets of ambergris. I regret not having bought a bottle when I first sampled it. It was a so creamy, plush and rich. The new bottle I was referring to was a gift, it still smells nice, but I can't accept that. As kumquat put it, it has destroyed my faith in Amouage and meanwhile I have lost interest in their new releases (they were all mediocre). Well, I have the otherworldly plush oriental rose Lyric in extrait for good... one can't have everything in life...

  25. #25

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    I have only tried the "new" Ubar, not the first version of it. I sampled earlier this year and bought a bottle a month ago.
    Projection, sillage and staying power are nuclear.
    I have to spray it only once in order not to choke people around me. I find it very complex and not for everyday use.

  26. #26
    Basenotes Institution
    Mimi Gardenia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Exactly Where I Should Be
    Posts
    16,437

    Default

    I recently re bought Ubar with a gift certificate from a very good Basenoter friend .
    I don't know if Luckyscent has new batches or the same batches of 2009 . My new Ubar smells exactly like the one I had before .
    The labelled ingredients lists last of all - oakmoss and treemoss .

    As GelboDomino has said - tenacity is nuclear but I find it soft and lasting rather than heavy . I have sprayed up to 5 times and ventured out in public with no ill effects .
    Last edited by Mimi Gardenia; 25th May 2012 at 06:05 PM.
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/370...o-Profumo-Onda
    For sale. Carnal Flower and Vero Profumo Onda.

  27. #27

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Alright, I got a bottle of Ubar (100 ml ) that someone sprayed once and gave it away to me. It was a bit of gambling, but I had high hopes it could be the real deal and it is.
    How to differentiate them? Well, my newer bottle had a silver steering wheel on the bottle, while the older now has a golden? Sounds stupid, but maybe mr. reasonable, who has just bought a newer can chime in?
    The difference in smell when I compared them last night:
    Very clear in the opening. The older has an immediate lush animalic creaminess. It is softer, heavier. The newer Ubar is sharper, more citrus, fresher. The floral heart is where I must admit the difference felt marginal when sniffing my wrists repeatedly and alternately. There is just more creaminess in the older.
    Now the base (2+ hours into wearing it) is where the difference is - for us perfumistas - really noticeable. The lush animalic creaminess gets darker and richer and lasts forever with still nice and considerable sillage. The newer is flatter, thinner, less longlived, 'watery' in comparison. I bet it has to do with the buckets of ambergris Luca Turin meant to smell in Ubar. The new is still a fantastic perfume, one of the best in the genre, but in direct comparison the older was for us perfumistas outstanding, extraordinary. Nothing like it.
    I am over the moon with my bottle now as I had always lamented not having bought a bottle at its time.
    Last edited by Larimar; 9th February 2013 at 07:45 AM.

  28. #28

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    The 50ml I bought has a golden coloured wheel / trim, Larimar. It may have been sitting in LC for year or two - hard to know how quickly the stuff moves. It seems really lovely but I have never experienced the first round of Gold & Ubar in the older bottles, which I imagine were pretty solid.

  29. #29

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Thanks mr. reasonable for chiming in! So, *scratches head* either your bottle is old stuff, too or no theory.

  30. #30
    Basenotes Institution

    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    10,143

    Default Re: No one ever told me Ubar was beautiful

    Ubar -- I had a sample of it last year and it did not impress me at all. Then a kind BN sent me some from their bottle and it was love, very different by perception and the way it carried -- I rushed and acquired a large decant to include into the Blind Sniff. However, one sniffer did not recognize it -- and he claimed he knew it well enough -- he also said he would send me a drop of what he got and I am still waiting.

    To sum it up: very much depends on a batch/year of production.

Similar Threads

  1. Amouage Ubar
    By OKJazz in forum Male Fragrance Discussion
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 17th January 2013, 06:51 AM
  2. In love with Ubar!!
    By chaplain in forum Female Fragrance Discussion
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 2nd January 2011, 11:27 AM
  3. Ubar...just gorgeous-What do you think?
    By kumquat in forum Female Fragrance Discussion
    Replies: 36
    Last Post: 29th April 2010, 07:35 PM
  4. Ubar by Amouage
    By Killer_Vavoom in forum Male Fragrance Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 19th July 2005, 11:26 PM
  5. Ubar by Amouage
    By in forum Male Fragrance Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 1st January 1970, 01:00 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  



Loving perfume on the Internet since 2000