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    Default The Greatest Masterpiece Fragrances

    I did a search and find more or less favorites threads. Sorry if this doesn't belong.

    I am curious about which scents you would consider the greatest masterpieces of fragrances and fragrance history. Not necessarily ones you wear or own or would call your favorite. Scents that you recognize great quality and composition in. Scents that hold widely, well-established praise for their greatness.

    So what scents would you nominate if you were making a sort of Hall of Fame / Gallery with significant great fragrances?

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    So what scents would you nominate if you were making a sort of Hall of Fame / Gallery with significant great fragrances?
    All by CREED. To see them fall.

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    So you would nominate them... to see them get shot down for being overrated? Is that what you mean?

    Well, I was thinking along the lines of ones that deserve to be recognized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannon View Post
    So you would nominate them... to see them get shot down for being overrated? Is that what you mean?

    Well, I was thinking along the lines of ones that deserve to be recognized.
    'Don't get the concept of 'masterpiece' anyway. I think of Secretions Magnifiques by ELdO as an artistic fragrance under many aspects - marketing included. Well executed, masterly! That's my weak spot regarding the topic of masterpieces. Other fragrances are likeable or not. More or less so on an arbitrary scale altered by personal preferences from subject to subject. But being technically perfect despite being detested by nearly everyone - great!

    Things I like the most: YSL - Y, ... real East Indian sandalwood, Shiseido - Tactics, and some others for which I don't like to push the prices on ebay ... for obvious reasons ;-)

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    Brands like Adidas, Cuba, and Axe/Lynx are generally thought to be masterpieces by everyone who tries their lines.

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    WildThingy, it may not be your intentions but you have a way of unfavorably disrupting threads.

    I would nominate :

    Hasu No Hana
    Or Black
    Rose 31
    Iris Silver Mist
    Leather Oud


    To name a few.
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    Fougere Royale

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    Fougere Royale
    This is certainly one of them.

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    The problem with this concept in the world of fragrances, IMO, is that the original frag (of a genre or type) is not necessarily the most wearable. This was true of Coty's Chypre (which was "improved" into Mitsouko). I've come across a few examples of this that, TMK, nobody else has mentioned, so I have a feeling it's quite common. For example, I think Habit Rouge was an attempt to "masculinize" Emeraude. However, the Emeraude selling today is something I would not want to smell under any circumstances. It's complicated !

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    Boucheron Jaïpur Homme EDP...there will be many niche mentioned I'm sure

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    Reformulation and the secrecy of formulation itself makes this a difficult prospect.

    I'm not a hierarchy builder, but even if I was, imagine this...

    Take a famous work of art. I'll use Beethoven's Fifth. Now imagine that, due to budget cuts, it had to have it reduced to a group of six players. The later down the line, it had to be changed again, from six to two. Then, it needed to made shorter, first to fit fifteen minutes, then, only three. Then it was put on a very tightly compressed audio so it could be easily downloaded.

    Now, add on to this, in this world, only a few dozen people at most know the original Beethoven work. For most of the world, when they think of Beethoven's Fifth, they think of a tinny trumpet and piano recording that comes in at 2:59 and seems very unremarkable, yet is still somewhat popular due to its historical provenance. To them, this is Beethoven's most famous symphony, and the forces at work marketing don't want them to know any better.

    This is the reality of all of the ''classics" for decades ago, even the ones that are still nice fragrances now. As the fragrance world is built now, it's very hard for any form of fragrant artistry to span generations in any meaningful sense.

    A couple years ago, I took a friend of my mother's for some perfume sniffing. I put a tester strip under her nose and asked "What is this fragrance?" She didn't know; she'd never smelled it. When I told her it was Chanel No. 5, a fragrance she'd worn from the early '60s until the end of the '80s, she was aghast - "That's not Chanel No. 5!", she insisted.

    The sad thing is, she was right.

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    Love lists....here are a (very) few fragrances that come to mind

    Or Black
    Jicky
    Djedi
    Bandit
    Knize Ten
    Derby
    Muscs Koublai Khan
    Insensè
    Yatagan
    Une Fleur De Cassie
    CDG Original EDP
    Sycomore
    No.5
    No.19
    En Avion
    Sous Le Vent
    Vol De Nuit
    Kouros
    Bois Des Iles
    31 Rue Cambon
    Avignon
    1740
    Bel Ami (Vintage)
    Shalimar
    Dzing!
    Fracas

    ....too many to mention....


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    Thank you Sugandaraja. That really brings the reformulation issue to the bone for me. The successive iterations of the Fifth made me shudder at the thought. It's the same for perfume aficionados.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugandaraja View Post
    Reformulation and the secrecy of formulation itself makes this a difficult prospect.

    I'm not a hierarchy builder, but even if I was, imagine this...

    Take a famous work of art. I'll use Beethoven's Fifth. Now imagine that, due to budget cuts, it had to have it reduced to a group of six players. The later down the line, it had to be changed again, from six to two. Then, it needed to made shorter, first to fit fifteen minutes, then, only three. Then it was put on a very tightly compressed audio so it could be easily downloaded.

    Now, add on to this, in this world, only a few dozen people at most know the original Beethoven work. For most of the world, when they think of Beethoven's Fifth, they think of a tinny trumpet and piano recording that comes in at 2:59 and seems very unremarkable, yet is still somewhat popular due to its historical provenance. To them, this is Beethoven's most famous symphony, and the forces at work marketing don't want them to know any better.

    This is the reality of all of the ''classics" for decades ago, even the ones that are still nice fragrances now. As the fragrance world is built now, it's very hard for any form of fragrant artistry to span generations in any meaningful sense.

    A couple years ago, I took a friend of my mother's for some perfume sniffing. I put a tester strip under her nose and asked "What is this fragrance?" She didn't know; she'd never smelled it. When I told her it was Chanel No. 5, a fragrance she'd worn from the early '60s until the end of the '80s, she was aghast - "That's not Chanel No. 5!", she insisted.

    The sad thing is, she was right.
    You articulated this perfectly. Unfortunately, you're preaching to the choir. The jackoffs in charge of the perfume houses these days are clueless/and or indifferent about the greatness of these fragrances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugandaraja View Post
    Reformulation and the secrecy of formulation itself makes this a difficult prospect.

    I'm not a hierarchy builder, but even if I was, imagine this...

    Take a famous work of art. I'll use Beethoven's Fifth. Now imagine that, due to budget cuts, it had to have it reduced to a group of six players. The later down the line, it had to be changed again, from six to two. Then, it needed to made shorter, first to fit fifteen minutes, then, only three. Then it was put on a very tightly compressed audio so it could be easily downloaded.

    Now, add on to this, in this world, only a few dozen people at most know the original Beethoven work. For most of the world, when they think of Beethoven's Fifth, they think of a tinny trumpet and piano recording that comes in at 2:59 and seems very unremarkable, yet is still somewhat popular due to its historical provenance. To them, this is Beethoven's most famous symphony, and the forces at work marketing don't want them to know any better.

    This is the reality of all of the ''classics" for decades ago, even the ones that are still nice fragrances now. As the fragrance world is built now, it's very hard for any form of fragrant artistry to span generations in any meaningful sense.

    A couple years ago, I took a friend of my mother's for some perfume sniffing. I put a tester strip under her nose and asked "What is this fragrance?" She didn't know; she'd never smelled it. When I told her it was Chanel No. 5, a fragrance she'd worn from the early '60s until the end of the '80s, she was aghast - "That's not Chanel No. 5!", she insisted.

    The sad thing is, she was right.
    You articulated this perfectly. Unfortunately, you're preaching to the choir. The jackoffs in charge of the perfume houses these days are clueless/and or indifferent about the greatness of these fragrances.

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    vintage Mitsouko
    vintage L'Heure Bleue
    vintage Vol de Nuit
    vintage Apres L'Ondee extrait
    vintage Bois des Iles
    vintage Cuir de Russie

    some probably less thought of as masterpiece's, but are so imho..

    Dunhill Blend 30
    Monsieur Balmain
    Gucci Nobile
    Patou Pour Homme
    vintage Jil Sander Man Pure

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyBars View Post
    Thank you Sugandaraja. That really brings the reformulation issue to the bone for me. The successive iterations of the Fifth made me shudder at the thought. It's the same for perfume aficionados.
    And yet (in my opinion) many of Caron's compositions can still be perceived in much of their original glory. I tried vintage En Avion recently, and really, it has barely changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugandaraja View Post
    Reformulation and the secrecy of formulation itself makes this a difficult prospect.

    I'm not a hierarchy builder, but even if I was, imagine this...

    Take a famous work of art. I'll use Beethoven's Fifth. Now imagine that, due to budget cuts, it had to have it reduced to a group of six players. The later down the line, it had to be changed again, from six to two. Then, it needed to made shorter, first to fit fifteen minutes, then, only three. Then it was put on a very tightly compressed audio so it could be easily downloaded.

    Now, add on to this, in this world, only a few dozen people at most know the original Beethoven work. For most of the world, when they think of Beethoven's Fifth, they think of a tinny trumpet and piano recording that comes in at 2:59 and seems very unremarkable, yet is still somewhat popular due to its historical provenance. To them, this is Beethoven's most famous symphony, and the forces at work marketing don't want them to know any better.

    This is the reality of all of the ''classics" for decades ago, even the ones that are still nice fragrances now. As the fragrance world is built now, it's very hard for any form of fragrant artistry to span generations in any meaningful sense.

    A couple years ago, I took a friend of my mother's for some perfume sniffing. I put a tester strip under her nose and asked "What is this fragrance?" She didn't know; she'd never smelled it. When I told her it was Chanel No. 5, a fragrance she'd worn from the early '60s until the end of the '80s, she was aghast - "That's not Chanel No. 5!", she insisted.

    The sad thing is, she was right.
    This is one of the best posts I have ever read. Bravo!
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    L'Heure Bleue
    Mitsouko
    Vol De Nuit
    Shalimar
    Bois des Iles
    Chanel No.5
    Kouros
    Fougere Royal
    Bulgari Black
    Cabochard
    The list goes on...

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    L'Heure Bleue
    Mitsouko
    Vol De Nuit
    Shalimar
    Bois des Iles
    Chanel No.5
    Kouros
    Fougere Royal
    Bulgari Black
    Cabochard
    The list goes on...

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    I wish I were educated enough to respond to this, but I am not. Fun reading everyone else's answers though.

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    I'm a little surprised at this. Luca Turin, at least as of 2009, seemed to think that Chanel No. 5 was the one thing that, against all odds, had held its ground. Are you sure she wasn't getting the EDP when she was accustomed to the EDT (or v.v.)? And there is a tyranny to those paper strips; Santal 33 had to exit my cab through the window before I tested it on my skin.

    Totally agree with you on the general point. I'm just surprised to find Chanel No. 5 the example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugandaraja View Post
    A couple years ago, I took a friend of my mother's for some perfume sniffing. I put a tester strip under her nose and asked "What is this fragrance?" She didn't know; she'd never smelled it. When I told her it was Chanel No. 5, a fragrance she'd worn from the early '60s until the end of the '80s, she was aghast - "That's not Chanel No. 5!", she insisted.

    The sad thing is, she was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Chambers View Post
    I'm a little surprised at this. Luca Turin, at least as of 2009, seemed to think that Chanel No. 5 was the one thing that, against all odds, had held its ground. Are you sure she wasn't getting the EDP when she was accustomed to the EDT (or v.v.)? And there is a tyranny to those paper strips; Santal 33 had to exit my cab through the window before I tested it on my skin.

    Totally agree with you on the general point. I'm just surprised to find Chanel No. 5 the example.
    The 2011 edition (i.e. The Little Book of Perfumes), Luca Turin mentions that both Chanel No.5 EdT and EdP have been changed because of the IFRA regulations. The EdP seems to be changed less, but probably still noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Chambers View Post
    I'm a little surprised at this. Luca Turin, at least as of 2009, seemed to think that Chanel No. 5 was the one thing that, against all odds, had held its ground. Are you sure she wasn't getting the EDP when she was accustomed to the EDT (or v.v.)?
    Chanel No. 5 is still a good fragrance. But I don't think even Luca would claim it hasn't been reformulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Chambers View Post
    I wish I were educated enough to respond to this, but I am not. Fun reading everyone else's answers though.
    +1, I've still yet to explore many fragrances that are revered as Gods here and am not confident enough in saying what I think is a master piece. I'm happy on one hand to not have smelt original formulations or vintages of modern classics as I would probably be on an never ending hunt to look for them and it would be pricey. But in years time when I'm much older and look at fragrances at that present time and look back at the past at what is then going to be considered old formulation etc.. I'll be able to say "That fragrance is not what it used to be back in th day", I think time tells whether a fragrance is considered a masterpiece by people, but during that time itll just be a shadow of its former self and those who knew it from the start will be the few who will be able to speak about how the fragrance was in its prime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck21 View Post
    But in years time when I'm much older and look at fragrances at that present time and look back at the past at what is then going to be considered old formulation etc..
    Likely, in a years time, given the rate of reformulation. I can think of many fragrances of the last five years that have already gone under the knife.

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    Joop! - Homme

    /close thread
    My top 16:

    1. Joop! - Homme 2. Puredistance - M
    3. Tom Ford - Tobacco vanille 4. Tom Ford - Neroli portofino
    5. Tauer - L'air de desert marocaine 6. Armani Privé - Ambre orient
    7. Bond - Harrod's oud 8. Amouage - Jubilation XXV
    9. Parf. Brückner - Aoud 1 10. Clive Christian - X
    11.Xerjoff - Regio 12. Lush - Breath of God
    13. M.Micaleff - Art collec. 102 14. Armani Privé - Figuier eden
    15. Nasomatto - Pardon 16. Heeley - Oranges and lemons ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAndySais View Post
    Joop! - Homme

    /close thread
    Absolutely!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    Absolutely!!!
    Is this a joke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedonist222 View Post
    WildThingy, it may not be your intentions but you have a way of unfavorably disrupting threads.
    I would nominate :
    <a list>
    To name a few.
    Sorry, for me it really really - really - doesn't make sense to list fragrance names. Really! Its less than a 1/100 of the fun. 90/100 of it is to discuss the question, and give reasonable answers. If You feel this disrupts a thread, You are quite sensitive against reasoning!
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