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    Default Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    I have peru balsam but my recipe requires Tolu balsam.

    Note thread suggests these:-

    Tolu :-
    synthetic, Eden Botanicals – Interesting, sweet, strong cinnamon-like amber.
    rich and resinous with a lot a vanilla and cinnamon developing after some time. and
    sweet, sort of like vanilla extract with a hint of cinnamon this is intriguing and it is different

    Peru:-
    faint, sweet, pine resin, overrripe peach
    unknown origin, Eden Botanicals – Complex, sweet, woody, dry paper, amber, clashing evergreen or juniper undertones. I’m not fond of this one. A bit of urine odor.

    Has anyone got a natural Tolu that is a nice one and can you tell me where yours is from please? My trusted sources don't stock it.

    I made my amber perfume brew using the Peru and although it doesn't smell bad, it isn't the right thing at all.
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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    I got mine from Hermitage Oils, very sticky and I had to put it in the sunlight to melt it sufficiently to get it out of the bottle to dissolve in alcohol, but nice.
    Peru Balsam is now banned by IFRA in perfumery materials. Shame. That's probably why your recipe recommends tolu.
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    Peru Balsam oil and resin are not banned but severely restricted. Peru Balsam crude is banned.

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    I found solid Tolu in the end. It smells delightful. Just now have to wait for the tincture. Ask me next year!!!!
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    The thing about tolu is that in time it develops a fairly strong hyacinth quality alongside the vanilla/cinnamon tones.
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    Thank you, what a nice thought to look forward to.
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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    whenever you get it, it will usually be liquified with a carrier to begin with

    depending on your room temperature at home it may still be near solid

    what you should do is just put the bottle in your trouser pocket for 10 mins or so before using, you'll move it up to near body-temp which will make it come out of the dropper reasonably well

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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    I found solid Tolu in the end. It smells delightful. Just now have to wait for the tincture. Ask me next year!!!!
    Hello mumsy
    How the tincture came? Did you had the chance to use it in a blend?

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    I shall have to have a look. I've made so many now but cannot remember if I ever did the tolu or not. I will if I didn't. You have inspired me to look for it now. Thank you.
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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    I have peru balsam but my recipe requires Tolu balsam.

    Note thread suggests these:-

    Tolu :-
    synthetic, Eden Botanicals – Interesting, sweet, strong cinnamon-like amber.
    rich and resinous with a lot a vanilla and cinnamon developing after some time. and
    sweet, sort of like vanilla extract with a hint of cinnamon this is intriguing and it is different

    Peru:-
    faint, sweet, pine resin, overrripe peach
    unknown origin, Eden Botanicals – Complex, sweet, woody, dry paper, amber, clashing evergreen or juniper undertones. I’m not fond of this one. A bit of urine odor.

    Has anyone got a natural Tolu that is a nice one and can you tell me where yours is from please? My trusted sources don't stock it.

    I made my amber perfume brew using the Peru and although it doesn't smell bad, it isn't the right thing at all.
    White Lotus, and might be worth checking Liberty, as they occassionally have it. I found tolu to be milder, smoother and more refined smelling, whereas peru had more of a sour edge, though it was more economical and nice also.

    I have mixed feelings about the PA tolu reconstitution, and would want to just use a hint with another balsam like benzoin, as I didn't like its drydown by itself for it's "syntheticness", though it does present a nice sweet note sort of like mildly cinnamony breakfast cereal..
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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    I shall have to have a look. I've made so many now but cannot remember if I ever did the tolu or not. I will if I didn't. You have inspired me to look for it now. Thank you.
    yes, check it and keep us posted how it did developed, I am working in a formula now with Tolu. I just can't have enough of it, for whatever reason I simply love it.

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    How did your Tolu turn out? I've been looking into this note recently myself and am quite interested to hear your development.

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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    Reading through this thread, I'd like to give a helpful hint. Many viscous notes can be made more workable with one of those Sodium Acetate "reusable Instant heat packs" They are a flexible pack about the size of a pack of cards, with a metal disk inside. By flexing the disk, they instantly cloud up and become about 54 degrees celsius. They can be wrapped around a AC/EO bottle, and they will gently heat them up. They are reusable by placing them in boiling water for several minutes, then they can be stored for the next use.
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    You might like to have a look at this:

    http://pellwall-perfumes.blogspot.co...lu-balsam.html

    It documents the process of getting from the pure balsam to a 30% solution in a suitable solvent on a relatively large scale: not sure how useful may be but it’s fun.
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    I bought some there https://www.botanicplanet.ca/tolu-ba...&category_id=0, in Canada. It's supposed to be balsam of tolu essential oil, but I suspect it's not real. I bought copaiba balsam there too and it revealed to be fake, or at least counterfeit. (I know it because I finally found copaiba balsam EO at http://www.creatingperfume.com/, and it is evident that the one I bought at botanicplanet.ca was not copaiba... it doesn't even smell like copaiba!!!) Anyways....

    Does anybody know where to find good quality tolu balsam in North America? A place that can ship to Canada? (I found some at white lotus aromatics, diluted at 50%, but they only ship to USA.) I really need some!
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    It may be worthwhile to look into a forwarding service to facilitate a purchase from White Lotus. I get my Tolu from them and it is pretty special.

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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    Quote Originally Posted by I.D.Adam View Post
    It may be worthwhile to look into a forwarding service to facilitate a purchase from White Lotus. I get my Tolu from them and it is pretty special.
    Sorry, but my first language is French, and I'm not sure what you mean by forwarding service. Does it mean that I pay a company to receive it in the USA and then they ship it to me in Québec?

    I already rent a postal box in New York state, but the only material that white lotus can ship to a postal box is non-hazardous material (because it's sent by air).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simbsp View Post
    Sorry, but my first language is French, and I'm not sure what you mean by forwarding service. Does it mean that I pay a company to receive it in the USA and then they ship it to me in Québec?
    Yes that is what I mean. I do not know the details as I've not had to use one but an internet search should reveal the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.D.Adam View Post
    Yes that is what I mean. I do not know the details as I've not had to use one but an internet search should reveal the process.
    I didn't know that that kind of service existed. I will try it for my next order to white lotus maybe.

    You say their tolu balsam is special... How is it? Have you tried other tolu balsams before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simbsp View Post
    You say their tolu balsam is special... How is it? Have you tried other tolu balsams before?
    Special in itself. A wonderful, multifaceted scent.

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    And does anybody know others places than white lotus aromatics where I could find good quality tolu balsam in North America? Places that can ship to Canada?
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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    Reading this post makes me a but dubious that I've been sold the right balsam... My "Peru Balsam" is balsamic with a hint of cinnamon, fitting the description for Tolu above...

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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    Hi everybody

    just a little remind. I discovered recently that the tolu balsam I had bought is not pure (or even not real at all). I really need to find good quality tolu balsam; does anybody know where I could find some in north america?

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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    I looked, but most of them are companies that I never heard of, so I don't want to risk buying bad stuff again. I'm looking for a trustable place... one that people here are familiar with.

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    I've bought from every supplier on page one of search results. several of page two. did not look beyond that.
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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    I've bought from every supplier on page one of search results. several of page two. did not look beyond that.
    Would you say www.essentialoil.com is a trustable place to buy it?

    This looks interesting : https://www.essentialoil.com/products/tolu-balsam-resin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simbsp View Post
    Would you say www.essentialoil.com is a trustable place to buy it?

    This looks interesting : https://www.essentialoil.com/products/tolu-balsam-resin
    Only a fair place,
    I've only gotten their website to function once or twice, try their Canadian site version...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    try their Canadian site version...
    I try www.essentialoil.ca, but there's nothing there

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    Default Re: Experience of Tolu balsam and peru balsam needed please

    Dear, I am So Sorry, I was confusing the sites... That is a very reputable company... feel free to purchase from them, and they do not have a Canadian site, my apologies to both you and them...
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