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    Default Re: March Blind Sniff -- Orient Express: The Red Line

    Welcome, Saripatates!
    Thank you for finding time, you are not an obstruction, you are a wonderful player.

    We now have two people voting for Istanbul, and YES, with sample A we are in Istanbul, getting ready to board the Oriental Express!

    I have received guesses from Saripatates and Kalli, Kalli got it right and Saripatates needs to elaborate a little on one of his guesses to have a 100% correct one.
    Hang in there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarıpatates View Post
    Although I'd be surprised if either one is correct I guess I'm putting more stock on hints and whatnot, and not my nose.

    I wouldn't buy this fragrance, but then again I'm probably not the intended consumer for it.
    Well, one of them WAS very very close!
    Who do you think IS an intended consumer?
    And what does your nose tell you?

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    I would like more of Jujy's experiences with A.

    Saripatates, you are right about the rose -- I do not know what type of rosewater they were using in this edible concoction, but it is definitely there, more on the paper than on this skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twolf View Post
    I would like more of Jujy's experiences with A.

    Saripatates, you are right about the rose -- I do not know what type of rosewater they were using in this edible concoction, but it is definitely there, more on the paper than on this skin.
    I would too, but now one of the clues is out, so she'll be putting this info in her scheme of things. I am looking forward to that!

    As for the rose, on this right here skin rose is huge, and the projection is pretty big, but the grourmand aspect is definitely there as well.

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    well the intended customer is the one who has a sweet tooth, naturally

    the first thing my nose told me was get this cotton candy away from me. I've sent my revised guess. I'm now putting on vial B on a clean arm, and I'll be working the night. Will keep notes.

    Right now, my first impression after the spray, the smell of malls and elevators. A smell I usually get around me makes me think this is a very popular recipe with the ladies. There is no question about the gender, it's feminine. The associations are clearly made to me.
    It smells -probably because of the previous experience- cheap. Clean bouquet floral. Hedione. Musk. Probably lists jasmine as a note as well. Who wouldn't.

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    two nights and two days in, with a huge intervening event: my (grown + a son-in-law) children and I went to see "Cit Lights", the Charlie Chaplin classic, in a very special showing, at Severance Hall, home to The Cleveland Orchestra, with that world-class ensemble providing accompaniment. Tho I sprayed only for me, there was enough sillage to meld scent and cinema, and I'm back to comprehending this as old school.

    My first impression was, this is not me at all! I still find the first fifteen minutes or so repellent, with the bitter almond/poison berry/Black Flag aspect being more fatal than gourmand. As is often true for me, a fragrance will ingratiate itself to me, and as I drove my elderly neighbor on errands to day—she is an inveterate penny-pincher, I am a time-pincher, I drive, and she is my elder, so of course she wins!—I felt comfort in the long-lived and pleasant drydown of powder, orris, musk, and oakmoss (I'm guessing oakmoss based on a slight medicinal/adhesive tape vibe that usually denotes it for me). Like L'Heure Bleue, I think I would wear this as a "personal" scent, alone before bed or with a cup of tea and a book.

    Is it possible that I mistook rosewater for heliotrope? Pondering my wearing habits, I am more vintage than new, and something of a civet hound, so my frame of reference based on my top 5 or so wears is: Antilope, My Sin, L'Heure Bleue, Mollie Parnis, Private Collection, Weil de Weil, and Shalimar. Fragrance A's overt powderiness is new to me, and as I mentioned earlier, I owe thanks to TWolf for a generous and nose-opening sampler. The drydown still reminds me of Chanel 19 above all. I'm not sure if Istanbul is meant to point to the provenance of Frag A, since I still feel convinced it's a Chanel, based on my limited experience.

    PM-ing a guess.

    Edit—also huge thanks to cacio, who honored my quest for leather. Loved Yatagan and will resume sampling after the blind sniff
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    I do not see any PMs, sorry guys, and can't comment on your guesses.

    Saripatates, do you think it is more a mass-market or a designer scent (as based on your elevators and shopping malls reference)? What do you think the willing audience will be shelling out for this fragrance (50ml)?

    Jujy, it is powdery and old-school, I agree. Not a Chanel though. That said I see some similarities with, maybe, No.22? What do you say, Warum?

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    Saripatates is still refining his red-hot guess for the A while sending some excellent observations about B that make me smile .
    UPD.: AND HE GUESSES THE SAMPLE A!

    Quote Originally Posted by sarıpatates View Post
    Right now, my first impression after the spray, the smell of malls and elevators. A smell I usually get around me makes me think this is a very popular recipe with the ladies. There is no question about the gender, it's feminine. The associations are clearly made to me.
    It smells -probably because of the previous experience- cheap. Clean bouquet floral. Hedione. Musk. Probably lists jasmine as a note as well. Who wouldn't.
    Brilliant! Yes, Wolfie's question is right on, I'm looking forward to your answer. You gave a clear idea already, but it is always good to make a statement.



    Quote Originally Posted by Twolf View Post
    Jujy, it is powdery and old-school, I agree. Not a Chanel though. That said I see some similarities with, maybe, No.22? What do you say, Warum?
    I wouldn't... on me A changes very little, staying pretty linear, so I cannot make connections to Chanels, especially #22 which is quite a shape-shifter, especially its Les Exclusifs version which cnages on me even more than vintage cologne I have some of. I am afraid to say much more, but I should say no orris in the official notes, yes rose, and no oakmoss, but please explore that medicinal association you're having, Jujy! Which other notes are known to have that vibe?
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    Apart from some sway to the greener side in the mid notes there is not much change. There is also a fruity part to this as the paper and the newly applied arm tells me. Not dried fruits but fresh. Possibly a fruity aldehyde? Peach maybe? It reminds me of nina ricci's l'air du temps, but I remember it being ballsier than what I'm smelling. Perhaps that's one of the classics that made this type of fragrances that fill elevators everywhere so abundant.

    Price tag? I'd say if it's a newer fragrance 20 or so. It's not breaking any new grounds tbh. Smells like an avon or oriflame to me. Fruity white floral. Guessing from the genre they might also have noted moss in the list, but it's nowhere in sight. I don't know how in the world I'm ever going to guess this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarıpatates View Post
    Price tag? I'd say if it's a newer fragrance 20 or so. It's not breaking any new grounds tbh. Smells like an avon or oriflame to me. Fruity white floral. Guessing from the genre they might also have noted moss in the list, but it's nowhere in sight. I don't know how in the world I'm ever going to guess this one.
    Maybe the clues might help narrow something down?

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    I agree with Twolf that this is a linear scent; after that initial blast it settles and stays. No doubt about the powder. The rose eludes me so far. Medicinal—camphor? Any other wood in there? fwiw, I don't find it particularly cheap smelling.
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    Default Re: March Blind Sniff -- Orient Express: The Red Line

    Benzoin?
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    PM-ing again.
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    Default Re: March Blind Sniff -- Orient Express: The Red Line

    Added thought: there is an overlap between cherry and almond, botanically as well as olfactorally. This one person experiences cherry, another almond, and heliotrope may even overlap here, too.
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    Jujy,
    yes to benzoin!

    Let me do a recap for sample A.
    It's our starting point in Istanbul.
    It is sweet and powdery, sort of old school, but intended for sweet tooth customers.
    Confirmed notes are: almond, rose, musk, benzoin and something medicinal. Yes, there is a wood note as well. And another note that is often associated with the sweets in perfumery and beyond.

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    To give some other help to ju, she should reread carefully some of the initial "red-hot" posts. It doesn't seem to be her style at all - no leather or french chypre bitterness, and likely, she hasn't smelled it before. Not my style either, and in fact, I had smelled it only in passing and didn't really remember it well. But the key came from the geo-culinary hints accumulated.

    cacio

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacio View Post
    To give some other help to ju, she should reread carefully some of the initial "red-hot" posts. It doesn't seem to be her style at all - no leather or french chypre bitterness, and likely, she hasn't smelled it before. Not my style either, and in fact, I had smelled it only in passing and didn't really remember it well. But the key came from the geo-culinary hints accumulated.

    cacio
    Cacio, yes, excellent advise!

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    Got a very very hot guess from Ju!

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    tsk, tsk I should be in bed.

    cacio, tanks for spot-on advice. Honestly, i got out pen and scrap paper, wrote down various notes and hints, and poked around fragrantica. Warum was tickled by my PM which read in part (guesses left out):

    I read, reread, wrote down notes and clues. Arrived at Guerlain Elixirs Charnels Oriental Brulant on fragrantica, one review of which referred to [redacted].

    Am I getting closer? Or did I look for a zebra amongst horses, the lead horse being Angel. Geography favors [redacted]. Cacio is right, this is far, far afield of my usual repertoire, tho Queen by Queen Latifah has its gourmand side, as does Ralph Hot. Those two haven't been in rotation much, whereas Antilope is my go-to, followed by Mollie Parnis and Miss Balmain. The blind sniff is sort of a case of , "take off those boots, dress like a girl, and have a macaroon." <====what tickled warum

    The fragrance has grown on me, both the bitter and the sweet aspects.
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    Default Re: March Blind Sniff -- Orient Express: The Red Line

    On to "B". At first sniff (on cotton) impossible to take seriously. But that's just the first sniff. We shall see...
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    So, you haven't revealed A yet? Have all the sniffers identified it? I'm curious! Will PM a guess, just for fun. I'm sure impressed by the sniffers, BTW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunani View Post
    So, you haven't revealed A yet? Have all the sniffers identified it? I'm curious! Will PM a guess, just for fun. I'm sure impressed by the sniffers, BTW!
    Have not revealed yet. Jujy is on the right track, getting hotter with each PM, but still needs to id the fragrance.
    Got your guess by PM too. You are on the right track, but that's not it.

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    WOOT, my first double post.

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    I haven't guessed Vial B yet, but I have sampled Vial C and here's my review I wrote yesterday. I'm sure jujy will like it as well:

    Now this one I like! While this is probably also marketed towards women, I already have several similar fragrances in my wardrobe marketed towards both genders. Speaking about genders, this one would very probably be considered as an old man's fragrance here in Turkey. I like it.

    Opens bitter green but not as cold or as sharp as chanel 19 and silences, both fragrances that share the family of green floral chypres. This is gentler, a la Balmain. This one has to be Paris. I'm guessing this is quite an old fragrance. Not many people tend to go for this style nowadays, consumer and producer alike.

    The notes I took on paper during testing it are as follows, without revising them:

    bitter green, galbanum, moss, bergamot, aldehydes? some soap, rubbery leather possibly isobutyl quinoline, maybe some patchouli, lily otv, possibly hyacinth, rose. possibly eugenol/carnation. castoreum?

    No mistaking the moss in this one. I really like this type of fragrances, and it's a welcome scent to celebrate the coming spring.

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    Default Re: March Blind Sniff -- Orient Express: The Red Line

    Not to put the horse before the cart, Saripatates, out of 14 notes that you have mentioned for C, I have about half listed in my official list. Paris all the way.

    I know we have to do all we can inbetween the BN down time.

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    Not to put the horse before the cart, Saripatates, out of 14 notes that you have mentioned for C, I have about half listed in my official list. Paris all the way.

    I know we have to do all we can inbetween the BN down time.

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    Default Re: March Blind Sniff -- Orient Express: The Red Line

    Just sprayed B (cloth and arm). Yes, the first impression is of a ditzy, sweetish tween thing. On skin, it's a quick blast of fluorescent pink flowers, the usual artificial territory of rose-peony-tuberose. Some powder too, and a touch of sweetness. My skin eats perfume, and this one seems to go away (or simply, the nose is knocked off by the initial blast?). On cloth, curiously, the initial blast is less strong. I detect initially a clean citric note (lemon). But then it also moves to pink flowers. Clueless at the moment - I'm trying to reread the intro but don't find anything of relevance there.

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    To B or not to B! It barely registers! On a scale of 0 to 100, zero being no scent at all and 100 being an Amarige cluster-bomb, B is a 1. Almost not there at all. I get an alcoholic blast at the start, then the faintest bit of lemon drop and possibly Ambrox or Amboroxan? This is two nights of sniffing. On the second app, I didn't even huff those top notes, in case they were wiping out my perception of the later arrivals. Didn't help, same weak stuff, lemon drop plus whatever (I was guessing Ambroxan based on a sniff of JHaG Not a Perfume, tho white musk is also a possibility). I loaded up one wrist and forearm last night, and I will say that it registered this morning however faintly. I'm down to a scant .125" of juice, so I'll take any advice on how to get the most out of what will be my last application. I'm really doubting I'll smell enough to suss anything out sorry to say. Tempted as I am by Saripatates' description of C, I'll pass until I hear from someone on how best to experience B.
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    Default Re: March Blind Sniff -- Orient Express: The Red Line

    Oh, location: Budapest? Hungarian Lemon Cake?
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    Agree with ju, this disappears quite quickly. Nothing left on my arm after 1hr and a half, if not the faintest generic woody amber. Glad to hear that it's not just my skin. On cloth, however, it is still there and quite strong. On cloth, the character is more white. Out tuberose from my first post, in those indistinct non-flowers like freesia and clean jasmine (no jasmine can be detected here of course, but agree with sararipates, jasmine is always in the description). So we'll update this to a generic rose-freesia-jasmine-peony, with a citrusy top (lemon) and a woody drydown (woody amber).

    So generic that any guess is difficult. Perhaps I should start with any of the mall tween stuff, though, to be honest, it should be even sweeter for tween acceptance - or instead Creeds (Vienna rose, not currently in their lineup, I assume), mall stuff for former tweens who have now more money but no more taste.

    I've been trying to parse the hints, without success. The murder on the orient express seems a detour, as there's nothing like what said there (murder, metal, leather?). Unless the hint refers to the name or marketing, which right now doesn't tell me anything. Better perhaps the red line. Vienna or Munich - neither seems to have produced or inspired much of a perfume (apart from the magnificent Knize Ten, that is, which is most definitely not it). Young skateboarders and oktoberfest - insofar as girls wearing this perfume likely associate with either.

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