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    Default Re: Lawsuit about co-workers’ perfume to proceed

    OK, granted it may have been a crime to wear Japanese Cherry Blossom - A LAWSUIT?!?! SERIOUSLY?!?! Assault with a fragrant weapon!
    Everyone is somebody's weirdo.

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    Yes,it's an outrage that taxpayer money will be spent putting this through the court system.This should have been handled within the workplace.
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    Default Re: Lawsuit about co-workers’ perfume to proceed

    This brings up an interesting question.

    We all know that asthma attacks, if severe enough, can be fatal.

    If you had a coworker who thought there was a connection between his exposure to fragrance and the increased asthma symptoms he experienced at work, and you worked near that employee, what would you do? Would you cut back/stop wearing fragrance, ignore the complaint, or ask the coworker to substantiate their complaint with test results?

    If you were the employee with asthma and found that you were wheezing more when around fragrance, what would you do about it? Would you seek out testing to determine if the fragrance was actually the culprit?

    I'm still thinking about this but am interested in others' thoughts.


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    Default Re: Lawsuit about co-workers’ perfume to proceed

    Ususally these "allergic" types are always looking to play the victim. I can see it in my head now - there was probably a whole over-exaggerated "episode" that went along with this complete with tearing up and fanning. Probably touching the chest and blinking alot. I can see the whole thing playing in my head right now. If it had not been the Japanese Cherry Blossom, you better believe it would've been something else at some point. Kinda like the people who go way outta their way to "cough" or fan themselves when they encounter the slightest hint of cigarette smoke. I mean, here's the deal - Life is fragranced, there are smells - pleasant and unpleasant. But also I think that if the people were wearing so much frag as to be a distraction or whatever, they should've toned it down. They really probably shouldn't have been so arbitrary about it, either. And if you're going to get sued over FRAGRANCE, wouldn't you rather it be a Creed, Malle, or Hermes than some Bath and Body Works EDT?!
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    It sounds like both the defendents and the prosecution were acting like children. Honestly, it reads like a playground fight.

    If maturity ruled, the perfume wearers would switch to a different perfume and wear it sparingly. I wear about 3 sprays and I can smell it myself, but others can only smell it if they purposely take a whiff of my wrist to see what I'm wearing. The person offended would bend a bit and be ok with a mild scent that doesn't cause a true allergic reaction. But then there are the immature people who expect everything in their environment to suit them completely, and not smell ANYTHING or expect everyone to put up with bathing in scent. I've heard people complain about smelling food that people are eating in the workplace, smelling the bathrooms, cleaning products, an unlit candle. For heavens sake, where has moderation gone? Don't bring in some crazy fish dish and heat it up in the main area, but if you're eating something with a tiny bit of garlic no one needs to go overboard.

    What it comes down to me is that we have to litigate common sense these days. I can point back to a lawsuit over spilling hot coffee and it has just gone nuts from there.

    Scenario 1, I'm literally allergic to the scent, and to be mean, these two knowingly put on a bottle of it, then go sit in my workspace to see me choke. If my workplace wouldn't do anything, I'd take a page out of Dirty Old Men and deposit a dead trout in their file cabinet.

    Scenario 2, I'm wearing VERY LITTLE fragrance, and every single one I try my coworker lets out a little fake cough and says "hey I'm allergic", then sues me. If my workplace wouldn't do anything, I'd get a decanter, put colored water in it, and spray it on myself in her presence. Then when she coughs I'd have her number!

    I guess I don't like the whole lawsuit thing (and I'm a bit evil) but it's hard to know what the exact scenario is here.

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    Default Re: Lawsuit about co-workers’ perfume to proceed

    With asthma it may not be a specific allergen but a reaction to any of a variety of chemical ingredients that trigger the attack. I'm saying this could be a valid problem.

    I think it was unnecessarily provocative for her coworkers to poke fun at her on Facebook.


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    It seems these women just plain don't like each other.I agree the Facebook attack was ridiculous behavior.I would absolutely tone it down(or just not wear a particular scent) for someone who has a legitimate condition-heck,I do it all the time for Mr.PerfumedLady who *supposedly* is caused to suffer headaches by some of my fragrances!There will always be other times in life to wear any scent I like without bothering anyone.A human resource department with any amount of common sense at all would have been able to work this out on their own.
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    Googling around about this article, I found this site- note the comment he makes about the "stupidest people" wearing scent.
    Where has common sense gone???????
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    Oh wow, these people are nuts. Saying that even reading the article had to be done in pieces because it brought back the smell to her while reading it.... wth?

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    Default Re: Lawsuit about co-workers’ perfume to proceed

    It sounds to me as if these workers just don't have enough to do, or else, they'd prefer to play childish games rather than do it. It seems malicious to me to go out of your way to provoke another person, whether the complaint is real, or just posturing, or patently hypochondriacal. And I do know people who complain about fragrance (it seems to me, at least) either to get attention or to try to control other peoples' lives.

    Where is the sense of putting courtesy before all else? There are people I like and people I don't like where I work; fortunately the latter are far fewer than the former. That's probably true for everyone; nevertheless, it seems to me that the adult thing would be to treat everyone with respect, even if it must be grudgingly or at a distance. I've learned how to avoid certain people without seeming to, and I find that a useful skill at times. I not only try to give respect, but demand it in return if it seems to be absent. Willfulness, peevishness, and rudeness are "luxuries" that can't be indulged without seeming petty and stupid. If one does engage in them, one is stooping to the level of one's antagonist, and forfeits the respect of the third parties who have to bear the indignity of watching the free-for-all. And vindictiveness is just plain despicable. Really! Don't people have anything better to do with their lives?

    Let civility reign! If a person at work thinks my scent inconvenient, I say, "Oh, I'm sorry. I'll try to tone it down." Mostly, I don't tone it down much at all; instead I take the remark as a signal that this is a person for me to avoid. Fortunately, if we must come close to rubbing elbows, meeting rooms are large and well-ventilated. I sit as far as possible from the unpleasant colleague and keep my thoughts to myself where they might cause problems. Not so hard, really, and much better for all concerned.
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    I once had a situation where a co-worker had a reaction to my perfume. She and I knew exactly what the scent was. She politely informed me that *that* particular scent gave her a reaction. She and I were on good terms and not workplace antagonists.

    I stopped wearing that scent around her. End of problem.

    As JaimeB notes, civility is important. Just as when someone has the radio turned on too loud, a simple, polite comment should solve the problem. It's the rude, self-absorbed people who would turn up the volume on the radio, or continue to wear the same scent.
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    Default Re: Lawsuit about co-workers’ perfume to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by 30 Roses View Post
    This brings up an interesting question.

    We all know that asthma attacks, if severe enough, can be fatal.

    If you had a coworker who thought there was a connection between his exposure to fragrance and the increased asthma symptoms he experienced at work, and you worked near that employee, what would you do? Would you cut back/stop wearing fragrance, ignore the complaint, or ask the coworker to substantiate their complaint with test results?

    If you were the employee with asthma and found that you were wheezing more when around fragrance, what would you do about it? Would you seek out testing to determine if the fragrance was actually the culprit?

    I'm still thinking about this but am interested in others' thoughts.
    I'm not bothered by perfumes (obviously) but you know those Bath & Body Works hand sanitizers? With the hyper-intense scent mixed with alcohol so that it screams across the office? They hurt my nose. And I do think that some people are the super-smellers so certainly leave open the possibility that it really is HURTING someone to smell something that 98% of the population interpret as "pleasant".

    So it would depend, but under no circumstances would I make fun of someone for being bothered by a smell, even if privately I think they are just wacko hypochondriac or whatever. If pretty sure it was just a complainer, AND if I was pretty sure I wasn't really overscented, would try first simply wearing the same amount of the same perfume and asking them "OK, I used much less, is this better?" But if it was a day I'd overapplied, I'd wash some off! If it was someone who sat next to me and they were bothered by only one perfume, when they'd not made comments about others, I'd avoid that one, out of courtesy.


    But really, to me the question is like: if someone if wearing an unforgiveably ugly outfit, is it my place to say "you are offensive visually, the bright yellow of your shirt is giving me a migraine, please tone it down"? Even if it IS giving me a migraine? Or, you know, there are some ladies at my work who have squeaky annoying voices - is it my place to say "you have an annoying high-pitched whine of a voice and it hurts my head"? Or if they have their radio on at the desk, turned down low as allowed by the company, but on music I hate, should I make them switch it to something I like? Why is it OK to say you are bothered by someone's smell but not by their look or sound?

    I think most people don't complain even if it is bothering them, really. The people who complain mostly are just people who would find something to compain about, if you wore no scent and lots of unscented deodorant so you were like a blank space, no smell at all, they would likely still find a way to be offended.


    Well this got long.

    But in short, yes I'd try to respond politely, and it would depend on what I thought the real issue was.

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    Default Re: Lawsuit about co-workers’ perfume to proceed

    Champaign County prosecutors filed a motion to dismiss the case, arguing the complaint draws conclusions that cannot be proved.
    Easy enough to prove by medical tests, and should be as there are those who attempt to unjustly use the law to exaggerate their self importance or punish those they dislike, and those possibilities should be taken out of the mix.
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    If health is a concern, then trying to fight it is silly. How would you feel, as mentioned by 30 Roses, if fragrance increased your susceptibility to a possibly fatal asthma attack?

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    I am the person with a sever asthma problem and work in a government office. My co-workers wear perfume everyday and I have had to use an epi pen to control a sever attack. Its crazy that we live in a time where people are so self obsorbed that they care more about self image then another humans life...
    Quote Originally Posted by 30 Roses View Post
    This brings up an interesting question.

    We all know that asthma attacks, if severe enough, can be fatal.

    If you had a coworker who thought there was a connection between his exposure to fragrance and the increased asthma symptoms he experienced at work, and you worked near that employee, what would you do? Would you cut back/stop wearing fragrance, ignore the complaint, or ask the coworker to substantiate their complaint with test results?

    If you were the employee with asthma and found that you were wheezing more when around fragrance, what would you do about it? Would you seek out testing to determine if the fragrance was actually the culprit?

    I'm still thinking about this but am interested in others' thoughts.

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    Default Re: Lawsuit about co-workers’ perfume to proceed

    rachusa1,

    Can you think of anything else in your work environment that could be contributing to the asthma attacks? Is there mold, for instance? Have exterminators put down chemicals? Does printer ink bother you?

    Maybe you could ask your coworkers to refrain from using fragrance for one week, as an experiment, to see if it really was the perfumes or if there is some other irritant contributing to the problem?
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    [QUOTE=30 Roses;2570598]rachusa1,

    Can you think of anything else in your work environment that could be contributing to the asthmas attacks? Is there mold, for instance? Have exterminators put down chemicals? Does printer ink bother you?

    Maybe you could ask your coworkers to refrain from using fragrance for one week, as an experiment, to see if it really was the perfumes or if there is some other irritant contributing to the problem?[/QUO

    Yes I have been diagnosed by a lung specialist and an allergist that my triggers are from perfume and colognes. My work has passed a "no scent" policy that goes into effect tommorrow. It does state that I also work in the same office with someone who has "self proclaimed" issue's that causes her to have to use scented lotion, she can only get from bath and body works. I have been trying for over a year to get them to make a policy they have told me under no terms can they ever make a no scent policy. I have three dozen emails from me to HR on asking for them to stop co-workers from wearing it due to its effect on my health. Nothing has been done untill I use the word ada and accomadations then withing a few weeks I have a policy... But tell me how can someone "self Proclaim" they need to use scented lotions and be protected but yet I have had to visit dozens of dr visits to have my condition proved to get some assistance. I have been harrassed and bullied over this and Im at the point I feel I need to just find a new place of empoyment. But then the feeling of my fighting for my rights comes into mind and I stay and continue to fight for whats right. I did not have bad asthma untill I was transfred to this office a little over a year ago

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    Default Re: Lawsuit about co-workers’ perfume to proceed

    rachusa1 - is there somebody in the office who applies fragrance while they are on the job, or is it just what people wear to work in the morning that is enough to cause the problem?

    The reason I ask, is that I know about a similar case which was completely solved by asking employees to (1) apply any scented products in the morning, with moderation, before coming to work, and (b) allowing NO application during the day, at work. It pretty much took care of the problem (which was really just one individual who was applying a lot of scent during work hours).
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    rachusa1 - given the amount of stress you are obviously under it's no wonder your asthma is going crazy.

    Got to respect a company that, instead of dealing with the bullying, instead issues a blanket 'no scent' policy :/

    Ditto, medical professionals that can get away with using the ludicrously broad brush term of "perfume and colognes". Did they find something specifically triggering about perfumes and colognes that isn't present in, say, shampoos, laundry detergents/fabric softeners, cleaning products etc..?
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    An epi pen sounds slightly over dramatic when I'm sure an inhaler would suffice , being a asthma sufferer myself I know this to be the case . I get the impression you are just out to cause trouble and really if it was so unbearable you would have sought alternative employment

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    Default Re: Lawsuit about co-workers’ perfume to proceed

    So, the new policy goes into effect today, then.

    I hope it solves the problem. If not, then I have to say that in your shoes, I would start thinking about working from home or finding a line of work that doesn't require a lot of interaction with other people, since there are fragrances in everything (detergents, shampoos etc) and you will not find any job where people don't use such ordinary scented products.

    Good luck!


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    My wife has always had asthma attacks since childhood, yet loves her bold frags (uses Jubilation 25 when she needs to wear something more sedate!) and has lived with me for almost 23 years, all with no effect on her asthma. Dust, mites, cooking oil fumes and general anaesthesia drugs are her known triggers.
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    I get the feeling BOTH sides are exagerating. I have worked in close proximity with Asthma and allergy sufferers, and wore scents everyday... Applied sparingly, dabbed-not-sprayed, etc.
    My co-workers never had a problem with it, and only once requested that women not spray perfumes or hairspray in the ladies room, as the molecules hung in the air for quite some time and made using the restroom a problem.
    Absolutely no one, on either side, had a problem with the way the issue was handled.
    But At another job, I did butt heads with someone who insisted I quit wearing that "horrid, nasty perfume": Interestingly, I only had regular Lubriderm on, that day, because I was headed to an interview during my lunch hour, lol.
    I did get the job and gave notice in a cloud of Opium, a month later. It was quite satisfying to see that the complainer didn't bat an eyelash at my scent.

    When the parties are willing to approach an issue in a mature, mutually respectful manner, problems get solved, people move on, there is no drama.
    This smacks of attention whoring and control/power issues.

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