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    Default Photos of Lady Gaga Fame Black Fluide (the notes are quit interesting)

    I love this cool bottle.


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    Default Re: Photos of Lagy Gaga Fame Black Fluide (the notes are quit interesting)

    Bottle looks nice.

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    Default Re: Photos of Lagy Gaga Fame Black Fluide (the notes are quit interesting)

    The cap looks like a Martial arts weapon.

    Tears? of belladonna..... so maybe a heady sweet Amaryllis Belladonna Lily topnote?
    Crushed orchids
    Pulverized apricot? does that mean we're getting the pits?

    Sounds pretty violent LOL.... I recall she wanted blood and semen (already done)
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    Dunno why she didn't go with Mugler, seems right up her alley.
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    Really am intrigued by Lady Gaga's scent.
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/370...o-Profumo-Onda
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny Beast View Post
    Dunno why she didn't go with Mugler, seems right up her alley.
    Agree...


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    Looks interesting but I wonder how it smells. I hope it's very odd and different.

    I think Alexander McQueen is more the style though. She seems to love his creations.

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    It'll probably be as vapid and unfufilling as her music. At least I can look at the bottle, for a long period of time, without wanting to punch someone...

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    A friend sent me that exact picture last night.

    Whilst I don't normally buy in to celebrity endorsed scents (with the exception of Sean John Unforgivable), the notes in this are most definitely appealing, and I'll definitely sample it.

    Is there any news on a release date?

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    Gaga says is "designed for women, but a lot of my gay friends wear it"
    Someone needs to set the girl straight, perfumes do not have genitals.

    http://fashion.telegraph.co.uk/beaut...ance-Fame.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor View Post
    It'll probably be as vapid and unfufilling as her music. At least I can look at the bottle, for a long period of time, without wanting to punch someone...
    Thank God someone who shares my opinion - can't stand the slowly dying Gaga trend

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    Not at all interested in celebriscents but this does sound interesting * insert snobbish comment * if its from Coty I hold out precious little hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny Beast View Post
    Dunno why she didn't go with Mugler, seems right up her alley.


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    Default Re: Photos of Lady Gaga Fame Black Fluide (the notes are quit interesting)

    Let's try to be optimistic, kids. Gaga is not your average celeb.... the woman wore RAW MEAT in PUBLIC. If nothing else, it will be different.

    If someone buys it, would you be willing to share some small decants?
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    As cutting edge as Lady Gaga might be as a music persona, the perfume venture must sell and be successful.

    Investors won't throw money after nothing.

    Maybe a revival of Alexander McQueen's armpit-laden Kingdom?
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    Kingdom Rocks! I'd be stoked if this Lady Gaga fragrance smells like that. :P

    I never understood why Kingdom wasn't marketed to men as well as women. It is very unisex. The cumin can be a little rough to some though.

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    Well I'm intrigued...
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    The bottle looks like one of the eggs from Alien.

    Interested to smell this; would have been quite a challenge to the perfumer to work with this brief

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    Looks very 80's....that cap has big shoulder pads!. Black juice...'beetle juice'. SO retro!

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    Gotta say, THIS is what I expected from LG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meowmo View Post
    Let's try to be optimistic, kids. Gaga is not your average celeb.... the woman wore RAW MEAT in PUBLIC. If nothing else, it will be different.
    There's nothing radical about this woman - most her her style is largely a Madonna rip-off but with a quirky slant. A case of style over substance and this fragrance will be no different.

    It's about making money and not a statement. How daring is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor View Post
    There's nothing radical about this woman - most her her style is largely a Madonna rip-off but with a quirky slant. A case of style over substance and this fragrance will be no different. It's about making money and not a statement. How daring is that?
    It's electro dance pop music, not a genre steeped in meaning. And that's almost all the genre is, is style; the medium is the message. But how about "Born This Way" for example. What's unsubstantial about saying that it's ok to be who you are or you you want to be? And all music is cyclical. Everyone borrows from everyone else, thats just the way it is. You can probably go back as far as music goes and find examples of people borrowing or expanding on ideas and variations on themes and so forth.

    Concerning her frag, are you so sure you can't be surprised?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny Beast View Post
    It's electro dance pop music, not a genre steeped in meaning. And that's almost all the genre is, is style; the medium is the message. But how about "Born This Way" for example. What's unsubstantial about saying that it's ok to be who you are or you you want to be? And all music is cyclical. Everyone borrows from everyone else, thats just the way it is. You can probably go back as far as music goes and find examples of people borrowing or expanding on ideas and variations on themes and so forth.

    Concerning her frag, are you so sure you can't be surprised?
    Well, thank you for your profound overview on the history of music and allowing me to voice my opinion… NOT!

    I’m well aware of this genre, thank you very much, and if you possessed a smattering of musical knowledge from the last 50 years (commercial, alternative/underground, specialist, music from non-English speaking countries and everything else in-between) you’d appreciate where I’m coming from.

    As for ‘Born This Way’, it’s just more pop fodder that will be long forgotten within the next ten years. Lady gaga knows this, hence why she’s raking in as much as she possibly can. She an opportunistic media and attention-seeking wh**e (just like Madonna but at least she released some decent pop music that still resonates 20 years later). If you think that her ultimate goal is anything other than money and fame, you’re deluding yourself (and for a start, if this wasn’t the case, she wouldn’t be releasing a celebrity scent).

    Concerning her fragrance, are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is? Say… $50?

    So, you appreciate her work – more power to you. But I don't and am not ashamed of making this publicly known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor View Post
    Well, thank you for your profound overview on the history of music and allowing me to voice my opinion… NOT!

    I’m well aware of this genre, thank you very much, and if you possessed a smattering of musical knowledge from the last 50 years (commercial, alternative/underground, specialist, music from non-English speaking countries and everything else in-between) you’d appreciate where I’m coming from.

    As for ‘Born This Way’, it’s just more pop fodder that will be long forgotten within the next ten years. Lady gaga knows this, hence why she’s raking in as much as she possibly can. She an opportunistic media and attention-seeking wh**e (just like Madonna but at least she released some decent pop music that still resonates 20 years later). If you think that her ultimate goal is anything other than money and fame, you’re deluding yourself (and for a start, if this wasn’t the case, she wouldn’t be releasing a celebrity scent).

    Concerning her fragrance, are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is? Say… $50?

    So, you appreciate her work – more power to you. But I don't and am not ashamed of making this publicly known.
    Easy tiger. Nobodys robbing you of an opinion, you actually voiced your opinion first. Why so sarcastic and dismissive? You're acting like what I said isn't true about music being cyclical and self referential. I actually have a deep and thorough library of music from all over covering most genres. I do appreciate your perspective and respect your opinion. Don't get it twisted, I'm just making conversation.

    Concerning her frag, I'm just saying it's not impossible that it might be worth the 3 seconds it would take to smell while your smelling other things, after all it's a frag forum. Do I want to bet? No. You're predisposed to not liking it, lolz, how would I win that bet? And I have no doubts that her foray into frags is nothing more than some suit's idea on how to make more money but that doesn't mean I don't wanna smell it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny Beast View Post
    Easy tiger. Nobodys robbing you of an opinion, you actually voiced your opinion first. Why so sarcastic and dismissive? You're acting like what I said isn't true about music being cyclical and self referential. I actually have a deep and thorough library of music from all over covering most genres. I do appreciate your perspective and respect your opinion. Don't get it twisted, I'm just making conversation.

    Concerning her frag, I'm just saying it's not impossible that it might be worth the 3 seconds it would take to smell while your smelling other things, after all it's a frag forum. Do I want to bet? No. You're predisposed to not liking it, lolz, how would I win that bet? And I have no doubts that her foray into frags is nothing more than some suit's idea on how to make more money but that doesn't mean I don't wanna smell it.
    And I think you should carefully read your previous post to understand where I’m coming from.

    I may have voiced my opinion but I certainly didn’t single anyone out because our opinions ‘clashed'. But thanks for trying to wtsit my words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor View Post
    And I think you should carefully read your previous post to understand where I’m coming from.

    I may have voiced my opinion but I certainly didn’t single anyone out because our opinions ‘clashed'. But thanks for trying to wtsit my words.
    No need to read it over, I wrote it, I know what it says. Everything I said is true up to and including valuing your opinion and appreciating your perspective. Nothing I said twisted anybody's words, I presented a counter point which is an integral part of a conversation. But it seems you don't want a conversation. It seems you want an arguement, which I don't think I'll take part in as I've already said everything I felt like saying about the subject and now I just don't care enough to waste another minute on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny Beast View Post
    No need to read it over, I wrote it, I know what it says. Everything I said is true up to and including valuing your opinion and appreciating your perspective. Nothing I said twisted anybody's words, I presented a counter point which is an integral part of a conversation. But it seems you don't want a conversation. It seems you want an arguement, which I don't think I'll take part in as I've already said everything I felt like saying about the subject and now I just don't care enough to waste another minute on this.
    We'll leave that for others to decide...

    Cheerio!

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    Bet it smells like Bad Romance

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    And don't forget : it's black.

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    I got my hands on a bottle of this and plan to post my first ever YouTube video review about it on Thursday. The scent is REALLY good.. especially considering its a mainstream release. Strong floral thats sweet but not sickeningly so. Lots of depth and while its kinda linear - each time I wear it, its a little different. First time, I wore it - I got a Nag Champa in the heart.. next time, I got apricot and pear. Longevity is really good - 1 hour of strong projection, 3 hours at mild projection, skin scent at 5 hours.. which lasts more than 12 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forfreddie View Post
    Thank God someone who shares my opinion - can't stand the slowly dying Gaga trend
    i don't mind her singing but yawn...or as my dear best friend slyly says while we are out people watching, "That's a lot of look."
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    I got a bottle of this given to me a few months ago and I must say: It is fascinating. I actually like the scent--it is not at all "usual" in the celebrity vein of perfumery--it may surprise all of you: "The Lady" herself was very much involved in every aspect of its creation and it's quite obvious when you smell it--hold the bottle: She is *very* proud of it--the juice is BLACK, like ink--yet--like magic--it sprays clear: Even on white cotton. It's a very heady scent--no watermelon fruit punch here. You all might want to take this one seriously. I have to admit: I am not easily swain by any perfume, regardless of its provenance, but.....I was impressed.

    PS: I caused a minor commotion on Frag as I was the first to comment on this fragrance: In one day's time my PM box was FLOODED with inquiries--Let it be known: I am not a fan of her music. I am a fan of HER. I feel she has done a tremendous amount of good for countless young people who are vulnerable and her charity endevours are exemplary. I made a monetary donation and as part of the package there came VIP tickets to her concert, with a private meeting. The concert......was, to say the least, a trip for me. I have never seen anything like it. The music: Not my cup of tea. Her performance, though,--unforgettable. I know you all love to hate her for whatever reason. So be it. I will point out that I am of the age that allows me to remember being on a dance floor in London and hearing "Holiday." I remember everyone saying--"who is that singer?" So: I witnessed Madonna's whole career unfold. I believe she and I are the same age--she may be slightly older--Personally, I don't believe Lady Gaga has "ripped off Madonna" at all. Madonna will have paved the way for her, in the same way Kate Bush paved the way for Florence Welch and others--Madonna, though, never made the kinds of charitable gestures LG has made: LG has made this an integral part of her work, and in so doing has helped so many young people in need in a way that is very real. For this, and for her shear talent--again--I am no fan of her music--but I recognize originality: I admire her. Let's just say: LG is as, if not more, original, than Madonna, in her time, was. She deserves a bit of respect. Nobody is asking anyone to love her music, or the perfume. (There will be enough people for that) Really, I have only this to add to the discussion above: The perfume is *not* "just any" old thing they threw in a bottle--and many of you readers know I am *very difficult* when it comes to judgements such as that. Would everyone not simply find it in there heart to agree that, if for nothing else, Lady Gaga might indeed be a candidate for respect, if not for her music, then for her fierce creativity? If not for this, perhaps then for her sense of charity? Surely you might spare a tiny bit of love for that?
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    I grew up loving Madonna and used to dress up and perform her music sub-professionally for a passing resemblance to her in her younger days. But Madonna is a detestable person as far as I can tell. Her public image is that of the worst narcissism, fakery, theft from people of color, of non-straight sexuality, of other religions and cultures. That borrowing is the very soul and stuff of post-modernism, but the way Madonna did it always seemed to say "hey I made this up all on my own!" Lady Gaga seems to show her work, pay homage to her sources, and to use her fame for plenty of good, no matter how much of a megalomaniac exhibitionist she might be. I am the same age as Lady Gaga and can't imagine how driven and hard-working she must be to accomplish what she has in her years, even if it's a very extreme and extroverted picture of celebrity.

    I don't care about her music, but for pop it's nice enough. For one thing, she has enormous influence, and so if this scent is actually good and popular, maybe other celebrity scents will get better to catch up, bolstering perfumery in general. Just hoping...

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    Quote Originally Posted by le mouchoir de monsieur View Post
    the juice is BLACK, like ink--yet--like magic--it sprays clear: Even on white cotton. It's a very heady scent--no watermelon fruit punch here. You all might want to take this one seriously. I have to admit: I am not easily swain by any perfume, regardless of its provenance, but.....I was impressed.
    I know zero about this artist other than she is one of those people (of whom there are several) who think ruining a Hermes handbag is edgy. I think black juice is *trying too hard*. Still if it's good, it's good. I would be the first to admit it.
    On the plus side: kudos for her if she is able to tap into a disenfranchised group, as well as be a voice for them; generate a financial stream, etc. But I am partially blaming her for half the world wearing false eyelashes and other icky things.
    PS FYI Advance bottles are going for about $80 on ebay
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    Quote Originally Posted by le mouchoir de monsieur View Post
    Would everyone not simply find it in there heart to agree that, if for nothing else, Lady Gaga might indeed be a candidate for respect, if not for her music, then for her fierce creativity? If not for this, perhaps then for her sense of charity? Surely you might spare a tiny bit of love for that?
    The lines are too blurry for me. How creative is she exactly? What does she create? I know all of her looks are created by Nicola Formichetti. He was (still is) a highly respected fashion stylist, established before her creation. She wears a lot of McQueen, but look under any Youtube video and all the 'Little monsters' are gushing over how creative she is to come up with these looks? Perhaps it's unintentional, but she is definitely absorbing others work as her own (very Madonna.)

    I know nothing of her charitable work but this is always to be commended (even when it's for tax purposes. I'm not suggesting it is in this instance.) I can respect her for that.

    I'm certain she puts on a grand extravaganza that would be visually enjoyable with ear plugs. The music is only surpassed in annoyance by her faux aloof 'avant garde' persona.

    If the fragrance is quality, which I believe it would be based on your recommendation, then I'm glad. That certainly does buck the celebrity trend.

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    Lady Gaga -- Creative? -- cutting edge? Maybe even some 'crazy mashup bizness'? I've slipped into a fucken parallel world here. Europap and that's it. Bottle looks like some Phantasm bloodsucker copy. Go to hell you talentless twat and take your fucken scent with you. Music analysis ok?

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    If it wasn't trying too hard it wouldn't be Lady Gaga. Overexposure makes anyone super annoying, but really the thing about a bunch of inexperienced teens misattributing her references is not much of a surprise. It's probably okay to knock off a well-known fashion designer or artist visually, not so much a group of disenfranchised people a'la Madge hmm.

    Actually ruining an Hermes bag would be sort of edgy--a bit like The Who smashing guitars in their day--considering Gaga's performance is almost all image and classical reference and those things are an absurd symbol of conformist wealth on the one hand, an announcement of a sort of capitalist self-empowerment and appreciation for craft on the other. Of course she seems to love Hermes bags and just put some studs on them and so forth ... a bit like the Jag Stang horrible celebrity guitar thing, yikes.

    Gaga's message and "art" do fall a bit flat, but at least she's controversial. She reminds me more of a Bowie who got big too fast (of course much worse music from her) or a young Prince (ditto worse music, but at least she writes songs too) than a Madonna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaern View Post
    Lady Gaga -- Creative? -- cutting edge? Maybe even some 'crazy mashup bizness'? I've slipped into a fucken parallel world here. Europap and that's it. Bottle looks like some Phantasm bloodsucker copy. Go to hell you talentless twat and take your fucken scent with you. Music analysis ok?

    I love how viciously hostile you are towards someone who is in real terms perfectly harmless and does nothing but give lots of people plenty of harmless entertainment. I mean that's putting to one side all the support she has lent to the Gay rights campaign and the overall message she sends about celebrating and valuing individuality and uniqueness. I mean if you hated Kim Kardashian this much I could buy that, but Gaga? Really?


    I don't buy all of her public persona but every artist has one and it's not like you can fault her for commitment to it, I like her music but I'm not a super-fan. I've said elsewhere that I'll be buying this perfume no matter what, if I don't like it I'll keep it as a collectable and if it's good I'll keep on using and buying it. You may or may not like her as an artist, you may or may not like her music, but she's not actually worthy of your hate and prejudging her perfume based on whatever your prejudices about her may be seems a touch...irrational maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaern View Post
    Lady Gaga -- Creative? -- cutting edge? Maybe even some 'crazy mashup bizness'? I've slipped into a fucken parallel world here. Europap and that's it. Bottle looks like some Phantasm bloodsucker copy. Go to hell you talentless twat and take your fucken scent with you. Music analysis ok?

    I love how viciously hostile you are towards someone who is in real terms perfectly harmless and does nothing but give lots of people plenty of harmless entertainment. I mean that's putting to one side all the support she has lent to the Gay rights campaign and the overall message she sends about celebrating and valuing individuality and uniqueness. I mean if you hated Kim Kardashian this much I could buy that, but Gaga? Really?


    I don't buy all of her public persona but every artist has one and it's not like you can fault her for commitment to it, I like her music but I'm not a super-fan. I've said elsewhere that I'll be buying this perfume no matter what, if I don't like it I'll keep it as a collectable and if it's good I'll keep on using and buying it. You may or may not like her as an artist, you may or may not like her music, but she's not actually worthy of your hate and prejudging her perfume based on whatever your prejudices about her may be seems a touch...irrational maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by le mouchoir de monsieur View Post
    I got a bottle of this given to me a few months ago and I must say: It is fascinating. I actually like the scent--it is not at all "usual" in the celebrity vein of perfumery--it may surprise all of you: "The Lady" herself was very much involved in every aspect of its creation and it's quite obvious when you smell it--hold the bottle: She is *very* proud of it--the juice is BLACK, like ink--yet--like magic--it sprays clear: Even on white cotton. It's a very heady scent--no watermelon fruit punch here. You all might want to take this one seriously. I have to admit: I am not easily swain by any perfume, regardless of its provenance, but.....I was impressed.

    PS: I caused a minor commotion on Frag as I was the first to comment on this fragrance: In one day's time my PM box was FLOODED with inquiries--Let it be known: I am not a fan of her music. I am a fan of HER. I feel she has done a tremendous amount of good for countless young people who are vulnerable and her charity endevours are exemplary. I made a monetary donation and as part of the package there came VIP tickets to her concert, with a private meeting. The concert......was, to say the least, a trip for me. I have never seen anything like it. The music: Not my cup of tea. Her performance, though,--unforgettable. I know you all love to hate her for whatever reason. So be it. I will point out that I am of the age that allows me to remember being on a dance floor in London and hearing "Holiday." I remember everyone saying--"who is that singer?" So: I witnessed Madonna's whole career unfold. I believe she and I are the same age--she may be slightly older--Personally, I don't believe Lady Gaga has "ripped off Madonna" at all. Madonna will have paved the way for her, in the same way Kate Bush paved the way for Florence Welch and others--Madonna, though, never made the kinds of charitable gestures LG has made: LG has made this an integral part of her work, and in so doing has helped so many young people in need in a way that is very real. For this, and for her shear talent--again--I am no fan of her music--but I recognize originality: I admire her. Let's just say: LG is as, if not more, original, than Madonna, in her time, was. She deserves a bit of respect. Nobody is asking anyone to love her music, or the perfume. (There will be enough people for that) Really, I have only this to add to the discussion above: The perfume is *not* "just any" old thing they threw in a bottle--and many of you readers know I am *very difficult* when it comes to judgements such as that. Would everyone not simply find it in there heart to agree that, if for nothing else, Lady Gaga might indeed be a candidate for respect, if not for her music, then for her fierce creativity? If not for this, perhaps then for her sense of charity? Surely you might spare a tiny bit of love for that?
    You are so right. As the "outsiders" we often forget that our "hatred" of an artist is actually a reflection of our own character. I have found that experts in any genre tend not to "hate on" anyone in that same genre - yet we as non-musicians (or non-successful musicians) aren't able to live and let live.

    You have made me excited again about this fragrance, and also sent me a nudging reminder that I need to stop feeling negative feelings towards people who are successful at whatever they do, and focus on my own business. After all, when I am at my happiest and most productive moments I do not have time to focus on hating a celebrity. I think that says a lot about the extremely negative naysayers. Thank you.
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    So what's the perfume like?

    le mouchoir de monsieur, can you provide any more thoughts around how it smells?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zubi View Post
    You are so right. As the "outsiders" we often forget that our "hatred" of an artist is actually a reflection of our own character. I have found that experts in any genre tend not to "hate on" anyone in that same genre - yet we as non-musicians (or non-successful musicians) aren't able to live and let live.

    You have made me excited again about this fragrance, and also sent me a nudging reminder that I need to stop feeling negative feelings towards people who are successful at whatever they do, and focus on my own business. After all, when I am at my happiest and most productive moments I do not have time to focus on hating a celebrity. I think that says a lot about the extremely negative naysayers. Thank you.
    Actually, what you have written says far more about you than any, so called, "haters." What a thoroughly juvenile assumption you make. Yes! Jealousy...that's got to be the reason a few people here are totally indifferent to her. Haha.

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    I love how viciously hostile you are towards someone who is in real terms perfectly harmless and does nothing but give lots of people plenty of harmless entertainment. I mean that's putting to one side all the support she has lent to the Gay rights campaign and the overall message she sends about celebrating and valuing individuality and uniqueness. I mean if you hated Kim Kardashian this much I could buy that, but Gaga? Really?


    I don't buy all of her public persona but every artist has one and it's not like you can fault her for commitment to it, I like her music but I'm not a super-fan. I've said elsewhere that I'll be buying this perfume no matter what, if I don't like it I'll keep it as a collectable and if it's good I'll keep on using and buying it. You may or may not like her as an artist, you may or may not like her music, but she's not actually worthy of your hate and prejudging her perfume based on whatever your prejudices about her may be seems a touch...irrational maybe?

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    I love how viciously hostile you are towards someone who is in real terms perfectly harmless and does nothing but give lots of people plenty of harmless entertainment. I mean that's putting to one side all the support she has lent to the Gay rights campaign and the overall message she sends about celebrating and valuing individuality and uniqueness. I mean if you hated Kim Kardashian this much I could buy that, but Gaga? Really?


    I don't buy all of her public persona but every artist has one and it's not like you can fault her for commitment to it, I like her music but I'm not a super-fan. I've said elsewhere that I'll be buying this perfume no matter what, if I don't like it I'll keep it as a collectable and if it's good I'll keep on using and buying it. You may or may not like her as an artist, you may or may not like her music, but she's not actually worthy of your hate and prejudging her perfume based on whatever your prejudices about her may be seems a touch...irrational maybe?
    Her music is so awful she has had to become a ridiculous clothes horse to cover that fact. It all seems quite manipulative and money orientated. If she was a 'plain jane' would anyone be interested in her? It's because I care about music that I despise people (I baulk at the word 'artist) like this. Her main aim in life was to become a celebrity and all the so called 'do-gooding' has followed as a result -- she is probably riddled with guilt at all the money she has. She is neither unique or shows much individuality (she's launched a perfume for fuck's sake!)-- I find her publicity stunts increasingly irritating and pointless. Someone has compared her to David Bowie -- that is really rich -- if she had just a scintilla of his creativity and musical talent, she'd be lucky. People should scratch away at the veneer of force fed music fodder and see what's underneath -- there you will find real talent and beauty. If Siouxsie Sue had ever created a perfume, I would have been interested to try, but she is her own woman.

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    Actually, what you have written says far more about you than any, so called, "haters." What a thoroughly juvenile assumption you make. Yes! Jealousy...that's got to be the reason a few people here are totally indifferent to her. Haha.
    "Indifference" is different from spewing swearwords and angry posts.... Hate and love show someone cares deeply about the person, indifference shows a lack of caring. There's a difference between saying "I just don't like her" and explaining why, to posting an angry paragraph about why you hate her so much. At the end of the day, she is moving on, and the only person affected is the one who is able to let her make them so angry.

    Also, at what point did I mention jealousy? You might be reading your own things in my post - I mentioned that people who are happy with the success in their own lives/fields, do not often have time to post such utter hatred about a person. Does that mean that people who DO hate are unhappy or unsuccessful? Maybe, maybe not. It seemed to be a correlation - not necessarily a causative relationship. After reading this, you can either then go ahead and insult me about something I did not say, or you could take my post with an open mind and make an unbiased judgment. Your call.

    I am a musician, and have been able to recognise that when I put down another artist I am momentarily not at peace enough to be able to live and let live. This was a personal observation, and I'm sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way by somehow making you feel I was talking about jealousy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaern View Post
    Her music is so awful she has had to become a ridiculous clothes horse to cover that fact. It all seems quite manipulative and money orientated. If she was a 'plain jane' would anyone be interested in her? It's because I care about music that I despise people (I baulk at the word 'artist) like this. Her main aim in life was to become a celebrity and all the so called 'do-gooding' has followed as a result -- she is probably riddled with guilt at all the money she has. She is neither unique or shows much individuality (she's launched a perfume for fuck's sake!)-- I find her publicity stunts increasingly irritating and pointless. Someone has compared her to David Bowie -- that is really rich -- if she had just a scintilla of his creativity and musical talent, she'd be lucky. People should scratch away at the veneer of force fed music fodder and see what's underneath -- there you will find real talent and beauty. If Siouxsie Sue had ever created a perfume, I would have been interested to try, but she is her own woman.


    No art form of any kind exists without money. If you think good art exists in the absence of patronage then you're kidding yourself. All art is manipulative, especially music which relies so heavily on emotional manipulation for its ability to move people. Many artists of all kinds and in all eras have expressed a desire for fame and renown, some have even expressed that as their primary aim.

    Your entirely irrational hatred of Gaga both clouds your ability to see that it might be possible that she could have any positive attributes whatsoever and makes you come off a touch unbalanced. Save your hate for people who really deserve it and get some perspective on life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilaire View Post
    No art form of any kind exists without money. If you think good art exists in the absence of patronage then you're kidding yourself. All art is manipulative, especially music which relies so heavily on emotional manipulation for its ability to move people. Many artists of all kinds and in all eras have expressed a desire for fame and renown, some have even expressed that as their primary aim.

    Your entirely irrational hatred of Gaga both clouds your ability to see that it might be possible that she could have any positive attributes whatsoever and makes you come off a touch unbalanced. Save your hate for people who really deserve it and get some perspective on life.

    Good art -- bad art, what are you talking about? Can you make that judgement? Entirely irrational? Can you read and absorb properly what other people say? Of course there are other things in the world to hate more, but the subject happened to be her. Your argument seems to rest totally on the fact that other 'artists' are like this. Very profound. I don't think someone who likes her and her music should be lecturing anyone about getting a 'perspective on life'. Yours is obviously very shallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaern View Post
    Good art -- bad art, what are you talking about? Can you make that judgement? Entirely irrational? Can you read and absorb properly what other people say? Of course there are other things in the world to hate more, but the subject happened to be her. Your argument seems to rest totally on the fact that other 'artists' are like this. Very profound. I don't think someone who likes her and her music should be lecturing anyone about getting a 'perspective on life'. Yours is obviously very shallow.

    Yup, that's me in a nutshell, shallow

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    I agree. It is what you would expect from Lady Gaga. Right up her alley.

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    Ha, I have to take the bait on the crabby Kaern here. If you took the time to pay attention to what others say rather than ranting, I said she is more similar to Bowie, as in her image and agreed his music is far better. But Bowie started out a copycat of the folk incarnation of Tyrannosaurus Rex (dreadful Bowie gnome song anyone?) and then T. Rex as a glam band later took some influence back from glam Bowie and so on. Bowie has sold out plenty of times, had some stinkers, whatever. Gaga and Bowie are both naturally technically good singers who have a huge hand in their own music. They are both talented dancers in a formal sense, very sophisticated in the presentation of the art of fashion (funny that someone on a fragrance board would be disparaging of the aesthetic arts), and they both play with art theory and a kind of cheap pop cultural intellectualism. Bowie's had a huge career to live. Gaga has been around for very little time. Your ire I understand. Gaga's level of overexposure is just plain irritating. But I hated her at first in a kneejerk way too. Now I just see her as another spectacle.

    P.S. Siouxsie is better and deeper just because she's goth or something? She's all pantomime and fashion too. Matter of taste I guess.

    Oh well. The fragrance is intriguing in a way that I wonder what it'll be like as an anique or retro collectible. Celebs who are overexposed and mocked or over-celebrated in their own time become something completely different in the future.
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    Look forward to trying it out. Good name. Bowie & Lennon did a great song with that title, as well. I suspect the irony of using it as a title for anything is lost on a lot of people.

    Don't get too excited everyone, to quote Lennon: " . . . all I can tell you is, it's all showbiz"

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    That bottle and black juice is gorgeous. I'll be sampling it when it comes out. I'm a fan of her music. Well, from her first two albums anyway. Born This Way is waaaay different from her first two offerings. She really took the "Born This Way" flair and ran with it. She's trying too hard to push the envelope with strange biblical references and rantings about not being able to speak German and proceeding to speak German. Most of the songs sound like "Born This Way" and overall it's more "Madonna" than her previous records. There are a few good songs on the album, but it was disappointing overall. Fame and Fame Monster however, were good records. She didn't try to be the next Madonna in those albums. One thing I like about Gaga is the fact that she is an actual musician. She's trained at the piano and actually plays it live. She's not like Ke$ha or any other pop singer whose 15 seconds of fame are 15 seconds expired. She is very talented and has a great voice. Yeah, she dresses up weird and intentionally tries to stand out for the attention, but she's got more talent than any other pop artist on the radio these days. People just hate on her b/c she's popular and extravagant. Anyways, that's my opinion.
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    Ha, I have to take the bait on the crabby Kaern here. If you took the time to pay attention to what others say rather than ranting, I said she is more similar to Bowie, as in her image and agreed his music is far better. But Bowie started out a copycat of the folk incarnation of Tyrannosaurus Rex (dreadful Bowie gnome song anyone?) and then T. Rex as a glam band later took some influence back from glam Bowie and so on. Bowie has sold out plenty of times, had some stinkers, whatever. Gaga and Bowie are both naturally technically good singers who have a huge hand in their own music. They are both talented dancers in a formal sense, very sophisticated in the presentation of the art of fashion (funny that someone on a fragrance board would be disparaging of the aesthetic arts), and they both play with art theory and a kind of cheap pop cultural intellectualism. Bowie's had a huge career to live. Gaga has been around for very little time. Your ire I understand. Gaga's level of overexposure is just plain irritating. But I hated her at first in a kneejerk way too. Now I just see her as another spectacle.

    P.S. Siouxsie is better and deeper just because she's goth or something? She's all pantomime and fashion too. Matter of taste I guess.

    Oh well. The fragrance is intriguing in a way that I wonder what it'll be like as an anique or retro collectible. Celebs who are overexposed and mocked or over-celebrated in their own time become something completely different in the future.
    Hey -- I take exception to that -- crabby? I'll never get over that one.

    When I think of the 'aesthetic arts' I am immediately drawn to a dress made of raw meat as a shining example and not an altarpiece by Caravaggio.

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    Hey -- I take exception to that -- crabby? I'll never get over that one.

    When I think of the 'aesthetic arts' I am immediately drawn to a dress made of raw meat as a shining example and not an altarpiece by Caravaggio.

    I'm just planting seeds

    Adios

    Interestingly Caravaggio was obsessed with fame, he was convinced he was the greatest artist who ever lived and that he deserved to be more famous than the man who inspired him - Michelangelo. Caravaggio's obsession with his own renown and his overbearing pride and hubris were part of what contributed to his personal demise. Whether or not you think Caravaggio was a great artist (I do, I've studied his work and life since my days at art college, and have tracked down his paintings all over the world, my own work is influenced by his) one thing about his personality stands out, he desired to be famous more than he desired to be liked. He cultivated a bizarre appearance and demeanour (by the standards of his time) he behaved peculiarly and shockingly (according to the manners of his day) and deliberately attempted to shock, upset, and confound his patrons and the viewers of his work. Indeed many of his works are still able to make the viewer deeply uneasy. His technical abilities as an artist are astounding, but at least a part of his legacy as an artist is that he inspired succeeding generations of artists to be culturally and socially transgressive not merely through their work but through the public persona they adopted and to regard their own fame as a prerequisite of artistic success. Caravaggio was the ultimate martyr to artistic fame and one of the first truly renowned artists to make it clear that the status of "artist" had a glamour and mystique which in his view deserved perhaps greater respect than any other profession. In his own lifetime he was widely hated by many of his peers who believed he was arrogant, talentless and attention seeking.

    Of course I don't see Lady Gaga as being as talented as Caravaggio by any means, but I do see her as being one of his modern day disciples, along with innumerable artists since his death who have valued fame as highly as they valued anything else.
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    Interestingly Caravaggio was obsessed with fame, he was convinced he was the greatest artist who ever lived and that he deserved to be more famous than the man who inspired him - Michelangelo. Caravaggio's obsession with his own renown and his overbearing pride and hubris were part of what contributed to his personal demise. Whether or not you think Caravaggio was a great artist (I do, I've studied his work and life since my days at art college, and have tracked down his paintings all over the world, my own work is influenced by his) one thing about his personality stands out, he desired to be famous more than he desired to be liked. He cultivated a bizarre appearance and demeanour (by the standards of his time) he behaved peculiarly and shockingly (according to the manners of his day) and deliberately attempted to shock, upset, and confound his patrons and the viewers of his work. Indeed many of his works are still able to make the viewer deeply uneasy. His technical abilities as an artist are astounding, but at least a part of his legacy as an artist is that he inspired succeeding generations of artists to be culturally and socially transgressive not merely through their work but through the public persona they adopted and to regard their own fame as a prerequisite of artistic success. Caravaggio was the ultimate martyr to artistic fame and one of the first truly renowned artists to make it clear that the status of "artist" had a glamour and mystique which in his view deserved perhaps greater respect than any other profession. In his own lifetime he was widely hated by many of his peers who believed he was arrogant, talentless and attention seeking.

    Of course I don't see Lady Gaga as being as talented as Caravaggio by any means, but I do see her as being one of his modern day disciples, along with innumerable artists since his death who have valued fame as highly as they valued anything else.
    This is interesting, although I think that his talent as an artist isn't a case for conjecture unlike Lady G. Also, if he was considered so outrageous and shocking, would the Church have taken the chance in commissioning him for their altarpieces? His actual name was Michelangelo but changed it to the town of his birth. You mentioned previously that money and art went hand-in-hand and would always be this way. Banksy started off with an idea, a spray can and blank walls. How much does a spray can cost?

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    This is interesting, although I think that his talent as an artist isn't a case for conjecture unlike Lady G. Also, if he was considered so outrageous and shocking, would the Church have taken the chance in commissioning him for their altarpieces? His actual name was Michelangelo but changed it to the town of his birth. You mentioned previously that money and art went hand-in-hand and would always be this way. Banksy started off with an idea, a spray can and blank walls. How much does a spray can cost?

    Caravaggio didn't paint all that many commissions for the Church (compared to many of his contemporaries) and most of those he did paint for Churches ended up being hidden away or sold into private collections quite quickly or were outright rejected upon completion by those who commissioned them. His one and only commission for the Papacy was removed from St Peters after only 2 days. He was active in Rome during the Risorgimento or Counter-Reformation when the Church began to aggressively reform itself along much stricter doctrinal lines and began to impose a much more rigorous moral regimen upon itself in reaction to the growth of reformed Christianity in Northern Europe. Had he been born a generation earlier Caravaggio might have painted a huge number of commissions for the Church, but his person and his work were too transgressive for the Counter-Reformation. He ended up losing the patronage of the only cardinal (Cardinal Borghese) who ever supported him because his lifestyle and work became too controversial. He painted commissions for churches certainly, but often they were commissioned by Lay-orders and confraternities rather than by the actual clergy, and much of his work was done for private commission. He died in exile, penniless, on the run from the law.

    Banksy is extremely wealthy now, so whether or not his materials cost very little his work is extremely well funded. Most artists end up having to change career or move into teaching or other non-practising areas of the art world because they never make enough money to live. Only the artists who can sell their work and live by those sales manage to make a real career out of it. Art is intrinsically linked to someone's desire to buy or commission it, artists don't live on air, and it's not like being a lawyer or a doctor or a plumber where what you do is intrinsically socially useful.
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    Caravaggio didn't paint all that many commissions for the Church (compared to many of his contemporaries) and most of those he did paint for Churches ended up being hidden away or sold into private collections quite quickly or were outright rejected upon completion by those who commissioned them. His one and only commission for the Papacy was removed from St Peters after only 2 days. He was active in Rome during the Risorgimento or Counter-Reformation when the Church began to aggressively reform itself along much stricter doctrinal lines and began to impose a much more rigorous moral regimen upon itself in reaction to the growth of reformed Christianity in Northern Europe. Had he been born a generation earlier Caravaggio might have painted a huge number of commissions for the Church, but his person and his work were too transgressive for the Counter-Reformation. He ended up losing the patronage of the only cardinal (Cardinal Borghese) who ever supported him because his lifestyle and work became too controversial. He painted commissions for churches certainly, but often they were commissioned by Lay-orders and confraternities rather than by the actual clergy, and much of his work was done for private commission. He died in exile, penniless, on the run from the law.

    Banksy is extremely wealthy now, so whether or not his materials cost very little his work is extremely well funded. Most artists end up having to change career or move into teaching or other non-practising areas of the art world because they never make enough money to live. Only the artists who can sell their work and live by those sales manage to make a real career out of it. Art is intrinsically linked to someone's desire to buy or commission it, artists don't live on air, and it's not like being a lawyer or a doctor or a plumber where what you do is intrinsically socially useful.
    Yes, I understand the concept that artists have to sell to make a living. The point I was trying to make is that you don't need patronage or huge backing to be successful in the beginning, i.e. a spray can will do. Banksy has never seeked fame for fame's sake -- he just has skill and creativity -- his work was his marketing.

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    Yes, I understand the concept that artists have to sell to make a living. The point I was trying to make is that you don't need patronage or huge backing to be successful in the beginning, i.e. a spray can will do. Banksy has never seeked fame for fame's sake -- he just has skill and creativity -- his work was his marketing.

    Patronage in this context merely means someone or a number of people, prepared to commission or buy your work. Banksy would be working in Halfords now if he hadn't had plenty of patronage. The fact that he was clever enough to bypass the normal art world middlemen like Galleries and Agents only proves how clever he has been at making money.

    It doesn't matter whether or not he uses a spray can or a chunk of marble if no one had bought his work he wouldn't be an artist, he would either be someone who worked at Halfords who did some spray painting for a hobby or he would be something completely different altogether. Even so called "outsider" art only exists because someone discovered it and started selling it or buying it.

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    When I think of the 'aesthetic arts' I am immediately drawn to a dress made of raw meat as a shining example and not an altarpiece by Caravaggio.

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    Seeds, really? Seems like you are stomping on flowers.

    "Aesthetic" and arts would be a redundant combo normally, but I was referring to those of beauty, fashion, things like fragrance. Reducing Gaga's entire already head-spinningly vast array of looks to the meat dress is a little unfair. Comparing anyone's work to Caravaggio, especially a pop star, just strange. I do admire Hilaire for taking the comparison seriously though.

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    "Indifference" is different from spewing swearwords and angry posts.... Hate and love show someone cares deeply about the person, indifference shows a lack of caring. There's a difference between saying "I just don't like her" and explaining why, to posting an angry paragraph about why you hate her so much. At the end of the day, she is moving on, and the only person affected is the one who is able to let her make them so angry.

    Also, at what point did I mention jealousy? You might be reading your own things in my post - I mentioned that people who are happy with the success in their own lives/fields, do not often have time to post such utter hatred about a person. Does that mean that people who DO hate are unhappy or unsuccessful? Maybe, maybe not. It seemed to be a correlation - not necessarily a causative relationship. After reading this, you can either then go ahead and insult me about something I did not say, or you could take my post with an open mind and make an unbiased judgment. Your call.

    I am a musician, and have been able to recognise that when I put down another artist I am momentarily not at peace enough to be able to live and let live. This was a personal observation, and I'm sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way by somehow making you feel I was talking about jealousy.



    Please read people's posts a little more carefully before insulting them by calling them juvenile. Thanks!
    Fair enough. I apologise if I read you wrong. I called your assumption juvenile, not you. Perhaps I assumed too much, too. Sorry x

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    Fair enough. I apologise if I read you wrong. I called your assumption juvenile, not you. Perhaps I assumed too much, too. Sorry x
    That's ok. This topic was getting heated, and I apologise if my post also came off as the typical "you just hate because you're jealous" rant.
    Thank you for being big enough to respond in this manner. Not a lot of people would. Kudos!

    Yay, happy endings!

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    I can safely conclude, then, that PERFUME IS ART in its purest form.

    As an artist, I therefore have a responsibility to buy as much perfume as I can. You know, to learn about art and all.


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