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    Lightbulb Sample pass: Weil Then and Now

    Hello, all:

    Having been introduced to Weil in the 1970s, 20-something, did not know I was destined to be a fume-head, by a friend's most elegant mom, I was introduced to, and seduced by the Weil family early on. A fullness of composition, fine ingredients, and a way with integrating the animal into all that elegance is how I would describe Weil. There is a lot of history, and I'll post those links later. In short, while the perfumes in various concentrations were famed in France, in the US the bath oils marketed as "Secret de Venus" were most popular. I have none of those, tho I once had a .25 ml decant of the Antilope oil. I should note, that Perfume Intelligence records my beloved Mollie Parnis as manufactured by Weil.

    Anyway, here is my collection. I will prepare 1 ml decants (more for some) and welcome any additions. Just pm me if you'd like to contribute, and post a reply to this thread if you'd like to sample. I've sent out quite a few Antilope vintage, since I have a lot of that. If you are one of the recipients, I hope you'll post your observations on my Antilope thread.

    I suppose we should start with three samplers, it would be great to have a mix of old and new noses, too.

    Here's what I have:

    •Antilope: vintage EdT, vintage PdT, newer EdC, newest EdP (Aroli)
    •Zibeline: vintage PdT
    •Bambou: mini of uncertain vintage (Interparfums?)
    •Padisha: pre-Aroli but modern (probably Interparfums)
    •Chunga: vintage
    •Secret de Venus: EdP modern (Interparfums)
    •Weil de Weil: vintage
    •Recent samples from Aroli, the current owner of the Weil name: Secret de Weil, Reve de Weil, Zibeline de Weil

    Wow, that's 13 right there. Maybe I could split them into 3 packets and the three samplers could round-robin them.

    Looking forward to hearing from you.
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Somehow, I had missed this (downtime perhaps?).

    I would like to participate in such a pass the sample - I know little of the house (save for a few samples from a kind BNer).

    cacio

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    I was very impressed by Mollie Parnis, though it wasn't impressed by me, lol; but if other creations by Weil even remotely that good, I am very curious. I haven't tried anything from Weil before: it would be a great educational experience. Can I join?

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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Yes, cacio, and Whitefluffy. Now we need one more sniffer. That might be larimar when he gets back from holiday. I'll checlk in a week from today.
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Oh, how did I miss this too???? If Larimar is not interested, I will offer my nose as a back up sniffer! Thanks for sharing Jujy! This is fantastic!

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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Yes, I'd love a spot, too- but only if you have enough space for me. It does look like you've filled up. If you have enough testers already I will still be happy to follow along!

    I've already told jujy privately but will admit to the group that I have no Weil experience. Which is a shame because I know these were highly regarded scents in their day. I do remember they got quite a bit of love here in the States.
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Can five fumeheads dance on the head of a 1 ml vial? Fortunately, I only have 2 ml vials, so, everyone here is on board. We could send the final pass to larimar. Details forthcoming.
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Quote Originally Posted by jujy54 View Post
    Can five fumeheads dance on the head of a 1 ml vial?
    Sure, as long as none of us have been drinking!

    Appreciate you making room for all of us, jujy! Very kind.
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    I would love to be a last drip tester if there are any....... or even an empty vial sniffer....

    I know three of the Weils, Antelope, Weil and Zibeline, but not the others.
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    All right then. We have our sniffers. Let me double-check that larimar will be participating. I'll post a who sends list soon, with mumsy as the final destination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerfumedLady View Post
    Appreciate you making room for all of us, jujy! Very kind.
    Yes very kind indeed. Thank you, Jujy, for such unique pass around!

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    Thank you Jujy! That is very generous of you! I'm looking forward to exploring this house!

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    Oh Poo!
    I've been too busy all week to check the forum & I missed this!

    Guess I'll just lurk here....enjoy everybody!
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Here's a question for the more experienced passer-arounders: How far will 2 ml go? (no sprays, just plain glass vials) 3 sniffers? 5? 7? I do have more of some, notable the Antilope. I hope to put a packet together this week. Waiting to hear from larimar who is on holiday.
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    As for the number of people, it depends of course on how much each person uses. 5 for sure. I'd be optimistic and say 7, but perhaps you want to make sure that the last ones are iffy. One can always reoptimize as one goes.

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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Thank you cacio. I just ordered another set of the Aroli (modern) samples, which are 1.5 ml, in order to have enough. I will prepare a package when they arrive. Some of my collection are minis, and if I decided to simply send the minis along as is rather than decanting them, there will be plenty! Yes, I should do that (:
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    So far I've already some cherished Antilope pure but have yet to experience the rest.
    I'm on board if there's room for an upstart.

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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    We love upstarts. This is a great mix of new and experienced noses. As I said, waiting to hear from larimar, as well as the arrival of the Aroli (modern) samples, as mine are more than half gone. There are eight of you, and, to borrow a phrase, Eight is enough (; I will think about what order to have the package sent, wondering whether I should start with an old or a new nose...
    Watch this space early next week.
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    Jujy - I am very sparing with my testing, one tiny dab is all I need, but I can drop out so more experienced noses can test more freely.

    Also, I think I should mention that I have an upcoming trip to Florida: I am leaving on the 29 and will be back on the 5th. Maybe I can drop to the end of a line after Larimar or whoever is last and if there is nothing left by that time, so be it
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Quote Originally Posted by jujy54 View Post
    Here's a question for the more experienced passer-arounders: How far will 2 ml go? (no sprays, just plain glass vials) 3 sniffers? 5? 7? I do have more of some, notable the Antilope. I hope to put a packet together this week. Waiting to hear from larimar who is on holiday.
    My experience is that they go a long way. Dab samples go much longer than the spray samples do. With the spray samples you've got to be careful. 3 people = 2 ml spray sample, not more. 2 ml dab sample can be 5 people easy, I'll be optimistic like cacio and agree with his 7 as well.

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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Whitefluffy, 29 july to 5 august?
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    Yes, Jujy. I should have clarified, sorry.

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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    no prob, Whitefluffy.

    I am assembling the package. fwiw, here's my reviews of the newest Weils, as interpreted by the current owner of the name. Aroli.net.

    I will send to cacio first, will publish the order of sending soon, probably with larimar sending to mumsy at the end.

    mumsy, you will definitely have plenty to smell. I have decided to go all out and send my minis as is, most are at least half full.

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    cacio, it has been mailed.

    I will apologize in advance to all for the package weighing more than 13 oz, the magic number that saves on a trip to the post office or UPS store, as it can be sent 1st class dropped right into a mailbox. Reason being presentation. I sent all my minis in their original bottles, as well as two non-minis in their original containers, and packed the whole thing in a small wooden cigar box, the lining of which I sprayed with Mollie Parnis, my sig, and while not bearing the Weil label, was a Weil perfume accordintg to perfumeintelligenc.co.uk, a reliable site for fragrance history.

    Here's the pass list, I tried to intersperse veteran and novice noses I start with cacio for his good nose and excellent descriptions which will be of help to the newer noses. so:

    •cacio to cestrum nocturnum
    •cestrum nocturnum to Whitefluffy
    •Whitefluffy to Perfumed Lady
    •Perfumed Lady to Civet Lady
    •Civet Lady to anomie et ivoire
    •anomie et ivoire to larimar
    •and larimar to mumsy!

    These are almost all to dab rather than spray, most at least 2 ml, so it should go all the way around, exception being possibly the micro-mini of Bambou.

    To all, enjoy, take your time, and share your impressions. I took one last sniff of the collection over the last few days and will attach some brief notes.

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    cacio, it has been mailed.

    I will apologize in advance to all for the package weighing more than 13 oz, the magic number that saves on a trip to the post office or UPS store, as it can be sent 1st class dropped right into a mailbox. Reason being presentation. I sent all my minis in their original bottles, as well as two non-minis in their original containers, and packed the whole thing in a small wooden cigar box, the lining of which I sprayed with Mollie Parnis, my sig, and while not bearing the Weil label, was a Weil perfume accordintg to perfumeintelligenc.co.uk, a reliable site for fragrance history.

    Here's the pass list, I tried to intersperse veteran and novice noses I start with cacio for his good nose and excellent descriptions which will be of help to the newer noses. so:

    •cacio to cestrum nocturnum
    •cestrum nocturnum to Whitefluffy
    •Whitefluffy to Perfumed Lady
    •Perfumed Lady to Civet Lady
    •Civet Lady to anomie et ivoire
    •anomie et ivoire to larimar
    •and larimar to mumsy!

    Just pm your address to the person who will be sending to you.

    These are almost all to dab rather than spray, most at least 2 ml, so it should go all the way around, exception being possibly the micro-mini of Bambou.

    To all, enjoy, take your time, and share your impressions. I took one last sniff of the collection over the last few days and will attach some brief notes.
    Last edited by jujy54; 20th July 2012 at 07:15 PM.
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Thanks so much jujy for thinking of me and organizing such a lovely sample pass. I have had no exposure to the Weils except for Zibeline PdT, which I offered you for inclusion. I am curious to experience the others as it is a house I know so little about. Thanks again so much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larimar View Post
    Thanks so much jujy for thinking of me and organizing such a lovely sample pass. I have had no exposure to the Weils except for Zibeline PdT, which I offered you for inclusion. I am curious to experience the others as it is a house I know so little about. Thanks again so much!
    I have a vintage Zibeline PDT in the package, but I wonder if it has turned; it has a "mothball" (naphthalene) note, or maybe it's just coriander + civet coming out to play. If you'd like, send your Zib to cacio to compare with mine.
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    I am sending some samples to Cacio as well:

    Vintage Zibeline Perfume
    Vintage Secret of Venus Zibeline Bath Oil (1 mil - but a tiny dab goes a long way)
    Vintage Secret of Venus perfume (1 mil - very potent)

    Hope they last...the SOVs in particular are very strong smelling.
    If its not enough juice, I can always refill when the package gets to me.
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    Wowie, Civet Lady! You have filled in some important missing pieces. So appreciated. All we are missing is a sampling of the masculines, but what we have will be fantastic! Mille grazie! Merci beaucoup! תודה רבה!
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    I just received the beautiful packet. Thank-you so much! So many goodies!

    I'll start working tomorrow, for now I just put on the first two I picked, chunga and padisha.
    The opening of Chunga is a wonderful old style animalic oriental. Doesn't seem to last much though, but I didn't put much to start with, plus, I was just out of the gym and in a 100F day. Padisha on me is very sweet, vanillic oriental with some honey.

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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Oh, my pleasure, cacio. They Weils do divide into animalic (vintage) and post animalic, more or less chronologically. I should have categorized them that way in the first place, so allow me to fix that.


    The animalic Weils in the pass-around (pre-1990s by my best guess) are, Zibeline PdT, Antilope EdT and PdT, Weil de Weil, and Chunga

    Th post-animalics are: the Antilope EdC (mine was in the tall hex bottle), Padisha EdP mini, Secret de Venus EdP mini, Aroli Antilope pour Elle, and the other three Arolis, collectively designated Merveilles de Weil, to wit, Rêve de Weil, Zibeline de Weil, and Secret de Weil.

    This leaves the Bambou mini, which seems to be old-school, i.e. pre-Aroli, tho not animalic. I do get pre-IFRA levels of oakmoss in it.

    Here's a photo of the minis, they are clockwise from upper left, Padisha EdP, Secret de Venus EdP, Chunga EdP, and Bambou (EdP also I think):

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    ps—couldyou smell the Mollie Parnis I spritzed in the box lining?

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    pps—click on the tiny photo for a larger version.

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    cacio, I agree, that Chunga is so short lived, tho I called it a woody aldehyde with animalic notes.

    Here's some capsule reviews of the samples:

    Secret de Venus EdP (post-animalic): bakery/patisserie gourmand, some fruit (raspberry?) over vanilla and spice
    Padisha (post-animalic): seems to share a base w/SdV, oriental, cinnamon dominates, some vanilla, and floral/orris, animalics not discernible—sexy woman bakes snickerdoodles
    Bambou: refined floral with subtle green and aldehydic notes, also a peppery herb (basil?) and musk. What will the drydown bring? Hours later: classic chypre drydown
    Chunga: after initial observation above, this: drydown is honeyed urinous woods and civet, this is a butchy Antilope, resembles Miss Dior tho drier

    It's late. I will fill in with others later. If you've never smelt Weil de Weil, it will knock you off your feet, I think. One of the sharpest greens ever.
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    Default Re: Sample pass proposal: Weil Then and Now

    Thanks for the explanations.

    Yes, The inner box smells deliciously sweet and fruity! I hope it'll remain long enough for the others to smell.

    If I stick the nose in my inner elbow, I do feel some really nice civety drydown for Chunga. But I think I simply didn't dab enough (plus, it's hot). Padisha is gone by now.

    I'm going to sleep and I couldn't help putting on a touch of zibeline. Wow, this is more intense, with the animalics firmly in place, drier and more civety than chunga.

    As I mentioned in another post, today was animalics day, having received independently two ebay vintage Tabu purchases. Indeed, while they smell obviously different, I'm getting a Tabu vibe from Zibeline...

    cacio

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