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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    It is for sure a 15ml bottle. They are probably having to buy the bottles retail and could not afford to send 30ml of this one to everyone.
    Wow! Talk about "substantially not as described". If OpenSky were a person, (s)he would be banned from both eBay AND the BN marketplace!

    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Ive already figured out what it is so i guess i'll go back and read all of the descriptions and see if they make any sense to me.
    Doubt that i will be playing again. This one was very anti climactic.
    I also have an idea what it is from Chandler's description. If what I'm thinking is right, I can understand how you might feel like you do.

    How about just spending some time with it and trying to see it through a "new nose"? I think that's the whole point, anyway. You may know what it is already, but I'm sure you could still find some benefit from the project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lm6 View Post
    Chandler Burr: If you read this, please consider a uniform, scheduled subscription service that people can sign up for to participate. I'd love to involve myself in this project but the hiccups have dissuaded me for the time being. Granted, they're not the biggest hiccups in the world and people are still receiving their juice (well, at least half of it), but it's enough to make me sit back. Also, 30ml (even 15ml) seems like an excessive amount of juice given the premise of this project. Please consider a 5ml subscription service, the involvement would skyrocket and the effectiveness of your (admittedly very intriguing, informative and beneficial) project would have such a greater impact.

    Heperd: Wow, you already guessed it? Job well done I guess I should've assumed this project might not be able to stump the Jedi level niche heads of basenotes lol
    Yea 5-10ml would be more that enough and I think people would pay $15-$18 bucks a month and opensky will break even in the long run, even if some are niche and they are having to buy retail because some of the scents are fairly cheap. I hope they are not trying to make a profit from this experiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Im purposely not going to smell the bottle of it that I have until the reveal. If im wrong I will be shocked.

    I have a hint for everyone- My gf one said that it smells like a dirty bj to her........sorry if tmi. Its one very subtle note that causes this association.
    Good strategy. That's what I did on the first one and it made it a lot more challenging. I spent most of the month doubting my initial impression, only to find out I was right. Stated more succinctly: you're probably right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    How about just spending some time with it and trying to see it through a "new nose"? I think that's the whole point, anyway. You may know what it is already, but I'm sure you could still find some benefit from the project.
    I will try to do this....
    It was pretty much my worst fear about this, that I would immediately know what it was and then have no patience to study it any further than I already have.
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    OMG, sorry @hep for putting you through this, I do feel responsible as I suggested some kind of 'split'. $50 for 15 ml sounds atrocious + the lateness of this all, gives me a bad taste and frankly takes away my initial enthusiasm

    I do hope I'll get over myself and just smell the art, again the fragrance has innocently been caught in a man's charade...
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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    I will try to do this....
    It was pretty much my worst fear about this, that I would immediately know what it was and then have no patience to study it any further than I already have.
    Yeah, that was my fear on the first one, too. I was kind of surprised that I had such a great experience in spite of recognizing the fragrance. I think this was partly due to a new problem: smelling the fragrance *too* closely. Before long, I was *positive* it wasn't the fragrance I recognized, but some minor twist on it that I didn't know about.

    By the time we were done with the second one, I was essentially smelling batch variations as monstrous differences. So I'm not sure if this is some kind of accidental correspondence school of olfactory training, or just a cargo cult of olfactory appreciation, but either way, it's really working my nose, and making it stronger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irina View Post
    OMG, sorry @hep for putting you through this, I do feel responsible as I suggested some kind of 'split'. $50 for 15 ml sounds atrocious + the lateness of this all, gives me a bad taste and frankly takes away my initial enthusiasm

    I do hope I'll get over myself and just smell the art, again the fragrance has innocently been caught in a man's charade...
    I sure hope that once we start sniffing this stuff, the annoying realities of the logistics are swept off to the periphery.

    Perhaps there is a good reason for shorting everybody on the juice. If the reason was that they got >125 responses in the first few days, then I am *totally* OK with taking less juice so that everybody can play. In fact, that's a really great thing for the museum, and for the community. But all you have to do is advertise "10-50 mL, depending on number of players". Ya know?

    Sometimes I think that there is a certain - how shall we say - "comfort with the lack of need to tell the truth" - which has pervaded perfume-making since time immemorial. *SIGH*

    Anyway, I am expecting delivery any time now. Still very excited! The 15 mL bottles are quite cute!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post

    Perhaps there is a good reason for shorting everybody on the juice. If the reason was that they got >125 responses in the first few days, then I am *totally* OK with taking less juice so that everybody can play.
    Perhaps they did sit around for two weeks in a beneficent haze, wondering what to do with the landslide of orders, before coming up with the idea of sending people half the juice, with no accompanying explanation, in the assumption that none of those 125 people would notice.

    Do people really think that way these days ? Perhaps they do.

    I talked to a friend who called their customer service number yesterday to ask about this, and she got a recording saying they were closed for the Holiday.

    Holiday ?

    The 15 mL bottles are quite cute!
    Red, we hereby present you with the Basenotes "Bottle half-Full" award for optimistic outlook.

    But really, I expect we will hear from Chandler soon, with a full explanation for how this kerfuffle came about, and the way that they plan to make it right for people.

    His credibility, and the credibility of this otherwise worthy project would seem to depend on it.

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    My bottle arrived today, and I can confirm that it isn't 30 ml of juice, however I called OpenSky and was satisfied with the resolution they offered.

    Putting the bottle size issue aside, I am enjoying the blind sniff. So far my impression is "woodsy" as in the scent of sitting inside a circle of oak and pine trees, and it sits quite close to the skin on me. I agree with Chandler Burr's description of it as calming, tranquilizing, and plush-crisp, although I'm not getting the tuning-fork pure tone analogy yet. Of course what this might do is prove I'm terrible at analyzing scent!

    Heperd's comment is tantalizing, and of course I took a look at his basenotes wardrobe to see if it offered any clues

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    My bottle arrived today, and I can confirm that it isn't 30 ml of juice, however I called OpenSky and was satisfied with the resolution they offered.
    What was the resolution?
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    I was offered the choice of another bottle or a refund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdboy48 View Post
    Red, we hereby present you with the Basenotes "Bottle half-Full" award for optimistic outlook.
    LOL I totally agree

    Looking forward to the resolution too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdboy48 View Post
    Perhaps they did sit around for two weeks in a beneficent haze, wondering what to do with the landslide of orders, before coming up with the idea of sending people half the juice, with no accompanying explanation, in the assumption that none of those 125 people would notice.

    Do people really think that way these days ? Perhaps they do.
    Yeah. Still kind of a head-shaker.

    I suppose it follows the maxim that we should not assume malevolent genius when stupidity will suffice. Which has to be the most cynical corollary of Occam's razor of them all, but it does seem to work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdboy48 View Post
    I talked to a friend who called their customer service number yesterday to ask about this, and she got a recording saying they were closed for the Holiday.

    Holiday ?
    End of Ramadan. I'm presuming they've outsourced their customer service operations, like everybody else..... *snicker*

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdboy48 View Post
    Red, we hereby present you with the Basenotes "Bottle half-Full" award for optimistic outlook.
    LMAO

    ...because the "Bottle Half-Sized But Completely Full" award just seems a wee bit *too* optimistic!

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdboy48 View Post
    But really, I expect we will hear from Chandler soon, with a full explanation for how this kerfuffle came about, and the way that they plan to make it right for people.

    His credibility, and the credibility of this otherwise worthy project would seem to depend on it.
    I know that he's loathe to crap on anybody, including OpenSky, but just a quiet rumor floated through the net would be enough for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perfume_Addict View Post
    I was offered the choice of another bottle or a refund.
    The option to get as much juice as we actually ordered sounds like a plan.

    Perhaps they'll just - like - send the second bottle to people and be done with it. And while they're at it, they can thank their lucky stars that 250 extra 15-mL bottles and a second shipment of juice from [wherever] is a whole lot cheaper than what could happen if somebody really digs into this. 'Cause I smell more than just weak juice this time.

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    Ending on a more positive note, I got my (first) 15-mL bottle of E03 today! I can confidently tell thebeck to stay away from this one. This scent is clearly lovable to somebody who loves E01 and E02. Wonderful series, this is, if you love transparency. I'm enjoying this fragrance, but it is *NOT* what I thought it might be. It's very similar, but it's not the same frag.

    I feel as if I'm getting a handle on the "tonal" quality that Chandler speaks of, and that his definition and mine are at least similar. However, I really need to study this new frag to get a full understanding of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Ending on a more positive note, I got my (first) 15-mL bottle of E03 today! I can confidently tell thebeck to stay away from this one. This scent is clearly lovable to somebody who loves E01 and E02. Wonderful series, this is, if you love transparency. I'm enjoying this fragrance, but it is *NOT* what I thought it might be. It's very similar, but it's not the same frag.

    I feel as if I'm getting a handle on the "tonal" quality that Chandler speaks of, and that his definition and mine are at least similar. However, I really need to study this new frag to get a full understanding of it.

    More later....
    This is good news, sounds like it's worth the cash and trouble after all? Does it smell 'niche'?
    I do loooove transparency. Can't wait for my decant to arrive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irina View Post
    This is good news, sounds like it's worth the cash and trouble after all? Does it smell 'niche'?
    I do loooove transparency. Can't wait for my decant to arrive!
    Excellent questions!

    I wouldn't really have had a problem with $50 for 15 mL, in the sense that $140 for 1 oz (30 mL) is not unheard of in the niche world. However, I would have called that a "steep retail" price. On the other hand, I think most folks who smell this are going to say $50 for 30 mL is a "good deal", relative to standard niche prices.

    Now - does it smell "niche"? That is such a great question, and I think we could talk about it forever. I mean, many people would object to the question itself. But I do think that we can (mostly) agree that it's possible to ask if something smells stereotypically designer or niche. I would say that S01E03 does NOT smell sterotypically niche. And yet, I have to say, it smells within the bounds of non-surprising niche. In formulating that answer, I personally don't think it's odd or stylistically daring. I wore it last night to dinner in a fancy but relaxed restaurant, and people didn't even notice enough to say anything. It was definitely not out of place.

    I think it could easily have been a designer scent. Maybe not one that would have made a ton of money, but still.

    Which leads to the thought that it's very unisex. More so than S01E01, which some of the boys on the MFD board used to accuse of giving the wearer cooties. (I remember laughing badly at one n00b recommendation - buy Infusion d'Homme if you're straight, and Infusion d'Iris if you're not. )

    Which leads to the idea of "tonality". In the case of S01E03, it is as if the perfumers abstracted the idea of tonality out of S01E03, leaving behind things like "feminine" and "upscale Italian designer" and all the perfumery cues that lead to those. They clearly tried to make this thing very featureless and bereft of obvious evocations. In doing so, gender falls away quickly. The closest mainstream genres to it would be sparse, cool, men's sport colognes, and on the women's side, those dainty-but-not-prissy light florals where they're clearly trying to be fuzzy about the flower, and simply evoke youth, spring, etc.

    And that means transparency. This thing is *hugely* transparent. This is why I just had to warn away thebeck from even thinking about a buy. If you didn't like S01E01, then S01E03 is going to be horribly wrong. S01E03 is a lot like S01E01, only LESS. But if you think that transparency is most awesome, then less is more, so this should be very lovable. This fragrance is very much one of those "wireframe" scents. I'm really getting Chandler's comments on the volume of the fragrance. This scent carves out volume, but doesn't fill it with all the usual stuff.

    Now - tonality. Third day of art school, and the pace is picking up. Here is what he said on OpenSky, where I commented specifically about tonality:


    Neil Sternberg · Application Developer at Chemical Industry - Really looking forward to this one - not only as an artistic experience, but simply as a fragrance. Fragrances which evoke tonal qualities are among my favorites. S01E03 thus qualifies as both a ticket for a blindfold, and a blind buy.
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    Now - I have to admit that I'm musical but not a musician. My son is a musician - so perhaps I'm just a carrier of any presumptive musical gene. My gut feeling is that I get tonality in fragrance, but not like a musician might. When Chandler originally described this scent, a couple of fragrances (which turn out not to be E03) immediately lept to mind. Once I sniffed S01E03, I was immediately confident that I have *some* idea of tonality in fragrance, because there is a lot of similarity to my nose.

    And THIS is my current understanding of these scents. Chandler's analogy of S01E03 to a tuning fork seems like a very good one. S01E03 has that same quiet but penetrating character that a tuning fork has. Identifiability of the source is difficult. The fragrances I was thinking of, in contrast, are excellent examples of the *USE* of a fairly obvious tone, just like (if I'm getting Chandler correctly) S01E01. Those two fragrances I was thinking of are like instruments playing one unchanging tone - yet oodles of harmonics and characteristic frequencies that tell us "piccolo" or "saxophone" are pouring out, and it is clearly not the metallic minimization of a tuning fork. Neither are they playing a scale, because the whole point of those fragrances seems to be to push one really clear note above all others and hold it there from beginning to end.

    But what makes S01E03 different? So now I want to concentrate on S01E03. I'm reading about tone and tonality, and I'm going to harass my son for more answers. And I don't' feel particularly guilty about it, either, since I just paid his tuition! However, it may also be helpful to approach tonality from a language perspective as well, so I'm reading about that.

    I think that it may be interesting to think about what fragrance this is, and it may be fun to discover how I feel about it, but I think that the big challenge this time is going to be trying to understand what it is that makes it different from other fragrances, in terms of musical abstractions.
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    S01E03 starts out with a fruity tangerine/mandarin citrus blast, which quickly goes away, leaving a synthetic smell that's hard to relate to anything natural, something vaguely floral/milky/musky, a bit of a cigarette pack smell. There is an aromachemical in Secretions Magnifiques that has a strange effect that's more noticeable when someone else is wearing it, a radiant glow that seems to surround the person without emanating from the person. Since after several hours, the smell on your skin has a white bandage/clinical smell that's similar to SM's drydown (although easier to wash off), my guess that the aromachemical is the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROtto View Post
    S01E03 starts out with a fruity tangerine/mandarin citrus blast, which quickly goes away, leaving a synthetic smell that's hard to relate to anything natural, something vaguely floral/milky/musky, a bit of a cigarette pack smell. There is an aromachemical in Secretions Magnifiques that has a strange effect that's more noticeable when someone else is wearing it, a radiant glow that seems to surround the person without emanating from the person. Since after several hours, the smell on your skin has a white bandage/clinical smell that's similar to SM's drydown (although easier to wash off), my guess that the aromachemical is the same.
    Very nice description of the scent. I can't vouch for the part about Secretions Magnifiques, but the rest of what you say sounds precisely like my experience of the scent, in terms of identifiable notes and facets.
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    You're right, Red, about the price & niche.

    I do wonder about how 'metallic' the scent will be (I might have an idea which aromachem is responsible for that SM feeling).
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    A rep from OpenSky posted on Kate Puckrik's web site providing her email address, and I wrote to her directly recapping what we've said here (about pricing, transparency of process, shipping dates, and the bottle size). Apparently the size differential was news to her, since apparently the fragrance houses ship the bottles directly to OpenSky's warehouses, and then they're packaged for shipping to customers.

    So it sounds like those folks who want to play in the dwindling days of the month will receive their shipments much more promptly, for what that's worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irina View Post
    You're right, Red, about the price & niche.

    I do wonder about how 'metallic' the scent will be (I might have an idea which aromachem is responsible for that SM feeling).
    I find it actually less metallic than another scent that I thought it might be. However, I would take that with a grain of sodium. One thing I've noticed about this scent is that the initial citrus is used in a rather cunning way. If you focus properly, you can detect that it is more citric than almost all of the other scents that I've compared it to. And yet, if I just spray it on and let myself get hit by the great whatever shall be, then I really don't notice the citrus at all, but rather the razor-sharp tone or tones that seem to be the point. Stated differently, I know that citrus is there, but at a certain level of focus, I don't smell it. So I would not rule a metallic note in or out, without looking for it very carefully.

    Quote Originally Posted by Friede View Post
    A rep from OpenSky posted on Kate Puckrik's web site providing her email address, and I wrote to her directly recapping what we've said here (about pricing, transparency of process, shipping dates, and the bottle size). Apparently the size differential was news to her, since apparently the fragrance houses ship the bottles directly to OpenSky's warehouses, and then they're packaged for shipping to customers.

    So it sounds like those folks who want to play in the dwindling days of the month will receive their shipments much more promptly, for what that's worth.
    Thank you very much for that news, Friede! Actually, it's nice to know (in some ways) that the problems here are distributed, rather than all concentrated on OpenSky.

    I hate to see OpenSky having to pony up extra bottles for people who are complaining, but maybe things need to bubble back to the company that came up with 15 = 30. Unless, of course, there was a boo-boo in the contract!

    Honestly, I will be tempted to buy this one from OpenSky after the reveal. It's really growing on me, and my 15 mL bottle isn't going to last. This scent should appeal to people who like fragrances which consist primarily of a sharp, clear, brilliant note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Friede View Post
    A rep from OpenSky posted on Kate Puckrik's web site providing her email address, and I wrote to her directly recapping what we've said here (about pricing, transparency of process, shipping dates, and the bottle size). Apparently the size differential was news to her....
    Which is all the more distressing, seeing as how Katie had plainly written about the size problem in her blog at the time this rep posted. She didn't even bother to read Katie's comments prior to her posting, and was still in the dark about the bottle issue?

    Apparently the size differential was news to her since apparently the fragrance houses ship the bottles directly to OpenSky's warehouses, and then they're packaged for shipping to customers.
    I'm sorry, but she's telling people that Opensky received the items into their physical possession, their people then personally handled and shipped them and we are supposed to understand that this is the reason why OpenSky doesn't know anything about them ?

    LOL....the rep also said they were working with Katie so Katie could offer OpenSky credits on her site to people for the next buy.

    To which Katie basically said, "Huh??"

    Lovin' the closely interconnected nature of OpenSky's business model, I must admit.

    And, because I enjoy this project, hoping they can get things straightened out promptly, and in a way that salvages some of it's credibility.

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    I'm sorry, but she's telling you that Opensky received the items into their physical possession, their people then personally handled and shipped them and we are supposed to understand that this is the reason for OpenSky not knowing anything about them ?
    I'm as underwhelmed as you are by the right hand's cluelessness as to what the left hand is doing, Birdboy -- I'm approaching all of this from a position of goodwill but great disinclination to participate beyond this month still.
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    Hi. This is Allison from OpenSky. I wanted to apologize for all the confusion with shipping and let you know that this will not happen again. In addition, everyone who who purchased the fragrance will be receiving a credit since the perfume
    House fulfilled 15ml bottles rather than 30ml. We hope you will continue to join us for the rest of the untitled series as we love this series, chandler and our fragrance fans out there. Please feel free to reach out to me at [email protected]. I appreciate all your feedback and comments. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allison Slater View Post
    Hi. This is Allison from OpenSky. I wanted to apologize for all the confusion with shipping and let you know that this will not happen again. In addition, everyone who who purchased the fragrance will be receiving a credit since the perfume
    House fulfilled 15ml bottles rather than 30ml. We hope you will continue to join us for the rest of the untitled series as we love this series, chandler and our fragrance fans out there. Please feel free to reach out to me at [email protected]. I appreciate all your feedback and comments. Thank you!
    Sounds good to me, Allison. As long as the credits persist into the next cycle of the series (because some of them have had a way of expiring a bit too soon, sometimes), then I'm perfectly satisfied by this response. It's nice to be able to apply credits toward either the next fragrance in the series, or (should it ever happen) leftover bottles.

    We all love this series, too. As something of a first of its kind, a few kinks are certainly understandable. I think that a lot of people would enjoy seeing this sort of internet fragrance project become a sustainable phenomenon, and I think it could be a good thing for the museum and OpenSky for a long time.

    Thanks for responding and correcting the situation - much appreciated, Allison! Cheers! -Neil
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROtto View Post
    S01E03 starts out with a fruity tangerine/mandarin citrus blast, which quickly goes away, leaving a synthetic smell that's hard to relate to anything natural, something vaguely floral/milky/musky, a bit of a cigarette pack smell.
    So, with all this talk of tonality and one note ringing out above everything, what is the note? Is it a particularly musky tobacco? Or would you call it metallic? Usually metallic smells have their roots in lavender (used in clever ways, it can smell like electricity more than the flowers we know and love). In addition, the comment about a white bandage/clinical smell reminds me of Jo Malone's Amber & Lavender, where the lavender is used to give a weird medicinal buzz to the amber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Sounds good to me, Allison. As long as the credits persist into the next cycle of the series (because some of them have had a way of expiring a bit too soon, sometimes), then I'm perfectly satisfied by this response. It's nice to be able to apply credits toward either the next fragrance in the series, or (should it ever happen) leftover bottles.

    We all love this series, too. As something of a first of its kind, a few kinks are certainly understandable. I think that a lot of people would enjoy seeing this sort of internet fragrance project become a sustainable phenomenon, and I think it could be a good thing for the museum and OpenSky for a long time.

    Thanks for responding and correcting the situation - much appreciated, Allison! Cheers! -Neil
    Thanks Neil. The credit will be posted to your credit card. Thanks for you support and quick response!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allison Slater View Post
    Thanks Neil. The credit will be posted to your credit card. Thanks for you support and quick response!
    No problem! Credit card credit is even better. It will just be going back to OpenSky in my case, but I appreciate the fact that people are getting a choice here.

    Quote Originally Posted by rogalal View Post
    So, with all this talk of tonality and one note ringing out above everything, what is the note? Is it a particularly musky tobacco? Or would you call it metallic? Usually metallic smells have their roots in lavender (used in clever ways, it can smell like electricity more than the flowers we know and love). In addition, the comment about a white bandage/clinical smell reminds me of Jo Malone's Amber & Lavender, where the lavender is used to give a weird medicinal buzz to the amber.
    Really glad you asked, Allen. That is something that I really think is worth pursuing.

    There IS a very slight tobacco note in the background of this thing. But THAT is not the piercing, whining presence that I am almost positive Chandler is talking about. When you say metallic, I almost want to say yes, but it's metallic in almost a mirror-like way. I think that Chandler's images are precisely correct for the part of the fragrance that I'm equating to "tone":

    This scent’s surface has the odd minimalist plush of very shallow satin and the unforgiving touch of glass— a combination of soft and, not *hard, exactly, more crisp.
    Very shallow satin and glass. Those work for me. Although satin threatens to bombard me with color images (I love red and blue satin), if I forget those and concentrate on the feel of *shallow* satin, then moving my fingerprints across shallow satin strikes me as high frequency - which is what this note seems like to me as well. And glass - he seems to be thinking of something like capillary glass, which is indeed hard, but fragile and yielding under pressure.

    The note that I think he's talking about is more like a chypre ghost note - thin, sharp, and eerie. But that actually fits rather nicely with what you're describing for lavender. Words like "electricity" and "metallic" are close to what I'm thinking. Especially if you remove the metal and leave something like metal foil or just the mirror finish itself behind.

    The two fragrances that I was thinking this might be - they strike me as metallic - silver and gold. But if you tip a metal surface to the point where there is nothing but shine, and you can't really see the metal - *that* is how the note I'm thinking of feels to me in S01E03.

    My perception of the note also changes with distance. I find it most pure when it's fairly dilute, and I'm not getting the other notes of the fragrance. If my nose is just the right distance away, I get it as a pure, sharp, beautiful scent. The longevity isn't as great as I would like, but the opening and early heart are pretty stellar.

    Wait - just a second. You haven't ordered it yet, have you? I'm sending you a sample, dude!!! You have to sniff this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogalal View Post
    So, with all this talk of tonality and one note ringing out above everything, what is the note? Is it a particularly musky tobacco? Or would you call it metallic? Usually metallic smells have their roots in lavender (used in clever ways, it can smell like electricity more than the flowers we know and love). In addition, the comment about a white bandage/clinical smell reminds me of Jo Malone's Amber & Lavender, where the lavender is used to give a weird medicinal buzz to the amber.
    "Musky tobacco" sounds too dark and opaque, and this is a glowing and transparent scent. The "tobacco," which isn't strong and fades after a while, is the smell you get when you open a pack of "light" cigarettes, complete with cellophane and paper, that's more about some added aromachemical than anything natural.

    The smell is not really metallic, more like the smell of skin after you've licked it. If you took lavender and removed everything green and herbal about it you might get something close.

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    It might be an carbaldehyde that does that, I know green carbaldehyde (odor profile: fresh green aldehydic metallic citrus adoxal profarnesal) does that to my nose (the pack of "light" cigarettes, complete with cellophane and paper) or fresh carbaldehyde (odor profile: fatty green metallic aldehydic). But will need to smell see if there is any fatty or floral nuance to it, cos then it might be something else like damascones.

    (this rules out what I thought it might be from the description)

    I know little of music and tones so I can't relate on that subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irina View Post
    It might be an carbaldehyde that does that, I know green carbaldehyde (odor profile: fresh green aldehydic metallic citrus adoxal profarnesal) does that to my nose (the pack of "light" cigarettes, complete with cellophane and paper) or fresh carbaldehyde (odor profile: fatty green metallic aldehydic). But will need to smell see if there is any fatty or floral nuance to it, cos then it might be something else like damascones.

    (this rules out what I thought it might be from the description)

    I know little of music and tones so I can't relate on that subject.
    Cool! There is definitely a faint cured tobacco note, so I think we're all agreeing about it. I get it more on skin than on paper, and not from the sprayer, either.
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    At last, my bottle (and yes, so wee!) arrived!

    First spray (on forearm) seemed intensely familiar, though a memory from somewhere in the 90s, when I had absolutely no interest in perfume. I'm also getting that vague "unwrapping cellophane" note, but what's most present to me (and I'm practically live-spraying here) is that the point of origin seems unclear -- it's not hovering, it's not melding, it's... something else. It seems nonexistent as I type, but when I bring my arm up near my nose it is VERY present.
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