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    Question Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    Guys, hi!
    Sorry for another Terre thread, but i just have discovered the strange thing about Terre.
    Recenly i've bought on eBay 100 ml bottle of Hermes Terre (EDT) produced in 2007 (based on batch code on the bottom of the box) and realised the real difference between this botle and new one which i had (produced in 2011).
    The old one has monster sillage and longevity, i can still feel it after 16 hours on my skin, but the new one - significantly watered down and lost its strength after 4 hours.
    Does anybody else feel this difference? my suggestion is that they have changed the formula in EDT before introduction of PARFUM version.

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    Haha. (Sorry.) What is left to say here? If this turns out to be true reformulamania has reached another peak. Some years old and already reformulated for no discernible reason. I read they had done the same to the Parfum.

    But I'm sure if they had done a reformulation before introduction of the Parfum this would have been realized on basenotes way earlier. Seems a new development to me.

    Don't be sorry for "another Terre thread". Aventus is the thread cancer here.

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    Iso E super restriction. What else ?
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    I am positive another BNer stated recently as a fact that TdH was reformulated based on a European restriction. I have not seen much discussion of it, however.
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    2. Tom Ford Neroli Portofino
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    Terre HAS to be reformulated... my bottle from when it was released outlasts and definitely outperforms as far as notes go the 6.7 oz bottle I bought from Fragrancenet. I sent it back and ordered a 3.4 and it's not too much stronger.

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    If this is true, it's sad news. Nothing is safe...

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    If true, happy I already have a large bottle of the original.

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    According to this article, Terre d'Hermes was originally 55% Iso E Super (compound, not total of the diluted fragrance):

    http://perfumeshrine.blogspot.com/20...ults-geza.html

    According to this article, the current IFRA maximum allowed is 21.4%:

    http://www.fragrantica.com/news/Iso-...etic-2837.html
    Just because it happened to you doesn't make it interesting.

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    I have to agree. My first bottle of Terre was a monster. I bought a new one a couple of months ago and it's a shadow of what it was (longevity and sillage wise)
    ... And do me a favor - don't disturb my friend. He's dead tired.

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    Personally I hate this madness about "which year is safe buy", and I have seen before how ridiculous prices could go up on eBay given discussions here about Dior Homme and Dior homme intense.
    At the same time, being a fan of terre ( good stuff for daily office wearing) I have to ask - when this iFRA restrictions on Iso E super were implemented?
    Actually, what is the latest safe year?

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    Anyone know where to get 'Vintage' TDH ?? haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1280adam View Post
    Anyone know where to get 'Vintage' TDH ?? haha
    sad bat truth

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    I have to say if anything I've noticed my TdH bottles getting stronger over the years. I've had a bottle since it first came out. The earlier ones were mostly fruitier and I got grapefruit rather than orange peel and a softer, smoother woody base. Not sure if this is true (the reformulation) or if it's just my nose...

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    How did you figure out what year your bottles were produced? I can't find Hermes on checkcosmetics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xerbia View Post
    How did you figure out what year your bottles were produced? I can't find Hermes on checkcosmetics
    I know and I also couldn't find it on site you've mentioned.
    I did some investigation - first digit is the year

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    What year would my bottles be? 0JAAQ and 0BBA5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xerbia View Post
    What year would my bottles be? 0JAAQ and 0BBA5
    2010 I think

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    As per the 2009 Perfume Shrine article mentioned above :

    Since the objective of Perfume Shrine is to be very clear in what is only a hypothesis on our part and what is a matter of fact, we took things in our hands to further investigate and the resulting message is even more assuaging, discouraging you from frantic stocking-up of fragrances which you would fear would be unrecognizably altered. The fragrances by Jean Claude Ellena will not be altered or influenced by any -as yet only suggested for the future- restrictions of Iso-E Super ratio as they are already well below the ratio proposed for the restrictions. The information is official and comes from mr. Jean Claude Ellena himself.
    Ah well, that was all of three years ago, way back in the Stone Age.

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    "Vintage" TdH has Oak Moss in it so the newer ones may have replaced it with Tree Moss or eliminated it completely. Fortunate enough to pick up a "vintage" 200ml bottle a while back.
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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    I couldn't notice any difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvus View Post
    I couldn't notice any difference.
    It's evident starting from mid notes - top notes more or less similar.
    Main issue about new ones - poor longevity and flat drydown

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    Yes it has been. I had a small bottle from 2007 as well, it projected very well, the current version does not have the same projection, it has mediocre projection now. I attribute this to the Iso E reduction.

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    Not to worry, simply buy the better Yardley Citrus & Wood. Extremely analgous, better & far cheaper. Approx. $20 on Amazon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmellsLike View Post
    According to this article, Terre d'Hermes was originally 55% Iso E Super (compound, not total of the diluted fragrance):

    http://perfumeshrine.blogspot.com/20...ults-geza.html

    According to this article, the current IFRA maximum allowed is 21.4%:

    http://www.fragrantica.com/news/Iso-...etic-2837.html
    But the Ifra restriction sure refers to tne diluted fragrance. You're comparing two different things. You have to take into account the perfume oil content, which is quite high for TdH, I beliefe something like 20 or 25 %. So that would make a total Iso E Super content of below 15 % for sure, so no need for reformulation.

    Btw, I have an unopened box from duty free. How can I translate the batch code? Or do I have to open the package to find the real code?

    - - - Updated - - -

    On the packing thre is only an EAN code, which I researched on the internet. There is no information about the year of production... there is also a reference number REF 20873. Didn't find any information...

    - - - Updated - - -

    Ok, i finlly unboxed it (I didn't unbox it earlier because I had a decant plus I was thinking of giving it to a friend maybe. Too late :-) on the bottle itself it says 0kAAM. So does it mean that it is from 2010? Is this good or bad?

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    I feel guilty myself for opening another crazy thread about batch codes and safe years
    Anyway, there is a difference at least between 2008 and 2012 juices. Hard to say about 2010, which is probably year of production in your case.

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    Does anyone know if this reformulation applies to the Parfum as well, or just to the edt?

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    As I've been saying, for the last couple of years or so, nothing is sacred anymore. Always try to acquire backups shortly after purchasing a fragrance you absolutely love. If the worst comes to the worst, you can offload them either on the sales broad or on ebay.

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boge View Post
    Not to worry, simply buy the better Yardley Citrus & Wood. Extremely analgous, better & far cheaper. Approx. $20 on Amazon.
    Around $12 at TJMaxx/Marshall's when they have it. Their Iris scent is outstanding as well.

    I wonder if you could layer TdH with Iso E Super (check eBay for knockoff of Molecule 01 which is basically E) and fix the problem IFRA created. It is too bad Everclear is banned in NY or I would make up my own batch of wearable E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmellsLike View Post
    According to this article, Terre d'Hermes was originally 55% Iso E Super (compound, not total of the diluted fragrance):

    http://perfumeshrine.blogspot.com/20...ults-geza.html

    According to this article, the current IFRA maximum allowed is 21.4%:

    http://www.fragrantica.com/news/Iso-...etic-2837.html
    Quote Originally Posted by DieNase View Post
    But the Ifra restriction sure refers to tne diluted fragrance. You're comparing two different things. You have to take into account the perfume oil content, which is quite high for TdH, I beliefe something like 20 or 25 %. So that would make a total Iso E Super content of below 15 % for sure, so no need for reformulation.
    No.

    Both percentages in the articles are percentages of compound before dilution.
    Just because it happened to you doesn't make it interesting.

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    is it still worth buying if you cant find the "vintage" haha or should i just get yardley citrus and woods

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